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I didnt get the purpose of AGS in the first place. What precisely was the purpose?  Giving pepole that dont want to mine a chance to get a stake in all I3 dacs is not an arguement because you can buy (and not mine ) PTS equally well if you have BTC...

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General Discussion / Re: The BitShares Brand
« on: January 09, 2014, 09:31:11 pm »
Invictus Innovations
   DAC's
      Bitshares family
         Protoshares 
         Angelshares
         Domainshares
         etc.
   Keyhotee   

Again, why are protoshares and angelshares under bitshares, when they will also be involved with *totally unrelated* DACs?
"Because marketing" is not sufficient.

Seems to me it should be more like:

I3
   DACs
      BitShares
         BitShares BEX
         BitShares CEX
      ProtoShares
      AngelShares
      DomainShares
   Keyhotee

I also perceived the structure like this.

The problem I would have with the proposal would be that Bitshares would be an umbrella brand as well as a specific DAC. That could be confusing.

Up to now Bitshares was always presented as the crypto currency for option trading. Would that be BEX / CEX in your scheme instead?

I see your need for an umbrella brand and the worries that it could be confused with a flesh and blood company! But consider that anybody that sees a common branding for all I3 DACs (like the suggested Bitshares branding) will ask what do they all have in common and why is there a common branding? And the answer is I3 as the developer / issuer. So the bitshares branding would just disguise this.

That structure has been our thinking, you are correct.  Now BitShares has received a promotion.

This is for one very simple reason:  bit-shares is the perfect parallel to bit-coin for communicating the duality (and differences) and between crypto-equities and crypto-currencies.  No other name would do for that purpose.

And BitShares can also apply to endorsed 3rd-party DACs so we wanted to avoid asking other companies to operate under the Invictus brand.  BitShares will be bigger than just Invictus.

BitShares BEX will meet the original expectations of BitShares.  Then the BitShares brand will grow, as long planned, to multiple BitShares exchange chains. Each of these will need a name extension anyway.  Then it will grow to mean any endorsed chain that honors the social consensus.

Like Amazon is no longer thought of first and foremost as a book store, so shall the public perception of BitShares grow in stature as every new success and promotion grows its recognition as the brand for incorruptible unmanned companies with robotically reliable integrity.

Once that brand is established in the public's mind, there will be even more reason for 3rd party developers to honor the PTS and AGS contribution to founding the BitShares franchise.

This is a major stratagem for driving the value for all shareholders to new heights... as promised.

Ok. That that makes a lot of sense given that you want to "avoid asking other companies to operate under the Invictus brand" and "BitShares BEX will meet the original expectations of BitShares"  ...if you let go of the old meaning of bitshares, because that was incompatible. Just make sure you make everything straight and easy. Business is not a poetry club or an intellectual gathering. Forums are a little more though... ;)

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General Discussion / Re: What is marketing about? From one of the greats.
« on: January 09, 2014, 09:24:16 pm »
He really is a great marketer and maybe the worlds best brand manager!

This seems like a good starting point to share in a few thoughts about an I3 / bitshares (see https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2166.15) marketing strategy (contrasting the OP video).

We have to keep in mind what is different with apple/nike (the brands he refers to) and I3. Nike sells shoes, a product people are used to for ages. Apple sells tools for (mobile) Internet access, musik player etc. which their target group uses with a fair level of comfort for years. With invictus i think it is the other way around: If we manage to tell them as straight as possible what the product is capable doing it will blow them away far enough. There is no need to focus on the lifestyle associated with the product primarily. Although conveying more than the technology is essential with a branding strategy  but it should never compromise the goal of making people understand what the products are about. That could come across easily as cheap and as a scam. The functions / customer output of shoes, cell phones and MP3 Players are easily understood so there is no point explaining what you can do with it at least not at a basic level. Here is makes sense to start right away with associating a lifestyle with the product. With I3 that basis of what the outcome / function of I3, PTS, bitshares, a DAC is has to be laid first and then you can build on this... Also people anyway have enough shoes, possibilities to make phones calls and access the Internet (little different for the iphone tbh but you get the point) so the major reason to buy more/new ones is livestyle. This all is different with I3 prodcuts. By the term "livestyle" I mean blabla bullshiting like "our core value at apple is that people with passion can change the world for better" and other things you can build an ego on...

Where he is really really right is that "the world is a noisy place and you can't expect the world to remember much of your company/product" so my conclusion is to prioritize the little words you have to conceive a core message. My priorities would go as follows:
1. A phrase that brands the product (e.g. Invictus Innovations - the decentralized innovations company; or whatever),
2. Then a definition by a few sentences that leave no space for interpretation what the output/function of Invictus Innovations is.
3. And then room for bullshitting, philosophizing, abstracting and dreaming :)
You can apply this to every product I3 has...

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what about is the return per 24h with a average laptop? does it still makes sense to mine? 

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General Discussion / Re: The BitShares Brand
« on: January 09, 2014, 06:07:55 pm »
Invictus Innovations
   DAC's
      Bitshares family
         Protoshares 
         Angelshares
         Domainshares
         etc.
   Keyhotee   

Again, why are protoshares and angelshares under bitshares, when they will also be involved with *totally unrelated* DACs?
"Because marketing" is not sufficient.

Seems to me it should be more like:

I3
   DACs
      BitShares
         BitShares BEX
         BitShares CEX
      ProtoShares
      AngelShares
      DomainShares
   Keyhotee

I also perceived the structure like this.

The problem I would have with the proposal would be that Bitshares would be an umbrella brand as well as a specific DAC. That could be confusing.

Up to now Bitshares was always presented as the crypto currency for option trading. Would that be BEX / CEX in your scheme instead?

I see your need for an umbrella brand and the worries that it could be confused with a flesh and blood company! But consider that anybody that sees a common branding for all I3 DACs (like the suggested Bitshares branding) will ask what do they all have in common and why is there a common branding? And the answer is I3 as the developer / issuer. So the bitshares branding would just disguise this. Either way people will know that any DAC has to have been created by people. And the fact that there is a company where you know who is in charge behind Protoshares was the one thing that made you stand out and made me attracted to PTS. I though I3 combines the advantages of ripple (being able to deal with legal authorities and a decreased possibility of running into a scam put up by someone anonymous) and the most coins/dacs (open source dev).

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Thanks!

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MemoryCoin / Re: Distribution At Block 32000 - MemoryCoin 2.0
« on: January 08, 2014, 12:51:42 pm »
Nop its not. I bought my first PTS in the middle of December but left them at bter.com till I think after Christmas..

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MemoryCoin / Re: Distribution At Block 32000 - MemoryCoin 2.0
« on: January 08, 2014, 11:39:14 am »
Sure I know but when was that? When the coin was announced here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=370806.0 ? That would be 14.12.13

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MemoryCoin / Re: Distribution At Block 32000 - MemoryCoin 2.0
« on: January 08, 2014, 11:20:18 am »
At about which date (or before) would I have to have had PTS to now claim MMC?

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BitShares PTS / Re: What is ProtoShares?
« on: January 06, 2014, 11:51:17 am »

I think developers will use this launch pad because its the most cost effective way to accelerate their path to fame and glory.

And when it's not, they won't.

I think this in a nutshell is why PTS/AGS as a platform, infrastructure, and SDK - more than a single product, will be a huge success. In the same way the Apple and Android app stores exploded because there were already so many users on each platform and the tools to quickly get apps out the door made it very compelling and also difficult to justify developing something from the ground up.

Agreed! Because this is a scaling market (economies of scale) heavily influenced by networks effects, reputation, marketing, technical superiority (everything ;)) pays out exponentially. This is something where VC money makes a difference. 

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BitShares PTS / Re: What is ProtoShares?
« on: January 06, 2014, 09:24:31 am »
Solid. I overall agree  :)

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BitShares PTS / Re: What is ProtoShares?
« on: January 06, 2014, 01:41:56 am »
I think the concept of Protoshares makes sense in that it makse sense for developers to honor Protoshares in their DAC and its a revolutionary and maybe THE way for funding DACs. But there is one case I can think of that that doesnt stimulate honoring of PTS: When a 3rd Party DAC is a direct competitor to any DAC released by I3 (in the future). This is not a definite reason to igrnore Protoshares but it might play a role because credit and attention is given to a direct competitor this way....

Just the opposite...

If I were a determined competitor of Invictus, I sure wouldn't let the fact that they fielded a particular DAC first deter me from courting all the PTS and AGS holders out there for my competing DAC.  I'd want all the advantages Invictus has, so I'd try to outdo them in making an even better deal for the PTS/AGS stakeholders of the community. 

If Invictus offered 10%, I'd offer 20%...  no?

 :)

This is an interesting playing field.
It's a balance between the obvious benefits (easy way to a distributed shareholder base -> advocates / marketers of DAC) against not receiving the part of the money that PTS holders dont have to pay in the initial funding / presale if its a POS Coin. Maybe nothing that weighs out the benefits.. What other benefits does the dac developer have then the one named above?
Why do you think nxt or mastercoin which have some similar features (in terms of claimed functions) like Bitshares (although I think Bitshares is superior from what can be known by now) didn't honor protoshares?

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BitShares PTS / Re: What is ProtoShares?
« on: January 06, 2014, 12:16:01 am »
I think the concept of Protoshares makes sense in that it makse sense for developers to honor Protoshares in their DAC and its a revolutionary and maybe THE way for funding DACs. But there is one case I can think of that that doesnt stimulate honoring of PTS: When a 3rd Party DAC is a direct competitor to any DAC released by I3 (in the future). This is not a definite reason to igrnore Protoshares but it might play a role because credit and attention is given to a direct competitor this way....


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