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中文 (Chinese) / BTSBOTS交易记录
« on: December 01, 2014, 02:05:14 pm »
资产符号:BTSBOTS
资产名:BTS 交易机器人
资产描述:警告!本资产用来支持BTS交易机器人试验,风险很高,为非盈利目的发行!

为增加内盘BTS交易市场活跃度,特启动交易机器人在内盘BITCNY/BTS市场交易,所有资金由社区多名志愿者捐赠。
为表示感谢,创建资产BTSBOTS,目前发行100万股,赠与给这些捐赠者。
注意!本资产为非盈利资产,不承诺任何分红。

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btsbots (locked) >>> blockchain_get_asset BTSBOTS
{
  "id": 250,
  "symbol": "BTSBOTS",
  "name": "bts trading bots",
  "description": "warnning:it's just experiment, with high risk",
  "public_data": null,
  "issuer_account_id": 31076,
  "precision": 100,
  "registration_date": "20141128T143610",
  "last_update": "19700101T000000",
  "current_share_supply": 100000000,
  "maximum_share_supply": 10000000000,
  "collected_fees": 0

137
中文 (Chinese) / 请关注内盘 CNY/BTS 交易
« on: November 29, 2014, 02:45:50 pm »
内盘交易不活跃一直是一个很大的问题,锚定是由市场共识产生的,没有交易哪来的市场共识?
为了刺激内盘交易,部分社区成员自发组织,参与内盘做市,大家可以看到这两天内盘市场深度已经有了很大的提高,
感谢 heyd, 老白,扯淡,当年很厉害,老狼,ebit,白菜!
现在有了咕噜的兑换,有了内盘的做市,希望大家更积极参与内盘交易,真正把BTS的价值发挥出来

138
General Discussion / welcome to market BTS/CNY
« on: November 28, 2014, 06:20:37 pm »
look at the price and the depth, it seems very good  now,
welcome to BTS/CNY market

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market USD/BTS     average price: 0.016716             min cover: 0.0150444            short amount: 9089.22972239 USD(543744.300215 BTS)              02:13:18
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    Bid Price    Vol(USD)  Depth(USD)  Depth(BTS) |     Ask Price    Vol(USD)  Depth(USD)  Depth(BTS) |   Cover Price    Vol(USD)  Depth(USD)  Depth(BTS)    Warnning
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   0.01673092      505.18      505.18    30194.16 |    0.01710000      611.27      611.27    35746.77 |    0.01206983       70.00       70.00     5800.00  0.01341092
   0.01639344      200.00      705.18    43015.74 |    0.01724138      200.00      816.32    47346.77 |    0.01141031       39.02      109.03     9555.23  0.01267812
   0.01639033        9.91      715.09    43628.53 |    0.01739130      100.00      923.42    53096.77 |    0.01111894       40.03      149.06    13405.62  0.01235438
   0.01634660    64538.00    65253.09  3991844.47 |    0.01746725       17.47      944.92    54096.77 |    0.01091415       50.01      199.06    18239.07  0.01212683 
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
market CNY/BTS     average price: 0.102485             min cover: 0.0922365            short amount: 24891.414825 CNY(242878.614675 BTS)               02:13:18
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    Bid Price    Vol(CNY)  Depth(CNY)  Depth(BTS) |     Ask Price    Vol(CNY)  Depth(CNY)  Depth(BTS) |   Cover Price    Vol(CNY)  Depth(CNY)  Depth(BTS)    Warnning
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   0.10352525      888.78      888.78     8585.19 |    0.10456617     1026.22     1026.22     9814.06 |    0.08018939      185.24      185.24     2310.00  0.08909933
   0.10269704     4000.01     4888.79    47604.00 |    0.10507812    10862.85    11894.09   113192.83 |    0.07994801      285.15      470.39     5883.64  0.08883112
   0.10258748    19804.51    24693.30   240704.75 |    0.10648500     4098.61    16151.95   151682.83 |    0.07961520      105.09      575.48     7228.24  0.08846134
   0.10000000      100.00    24793.30   247932.95 |    0.10658846     3197.64    19365.28   181682.73 |    0.07957914      190.14      765.62     9620.85  0.08842127
   0.09900990      100.00    24893.29   251422.28 |    0.10663429     5171.66    24545.27   230181.78 |    0.07940231      230.27      995.89    12542.28  0.08822479
   0.09881423      900.00    25793.29   261028.14 |    0.10751883     3224.49    27973.37   260171.78 |    0.07879934      275.80     1271.68    16138.25  0.08755483 
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
default (unlocked) >>>
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===================20141128T181500=======================
    EXCHANGE           PRICE           DEPTH    SCALE
---------------------------------------------------------
       btc38         0.10350    507541.65353  0.50000
        bter         0.10325     26975.37731  1.00000
     bts_cny         0.10405    230181.77689  1.00000
     bts_usd         0.10392     53096.76714  1.00000
       yunbi         0.10350     25279.64000  1.00000
---------------------------------------------------------
     average         0.10374
========================================================

139
中文 (Chinese) / 内盘BTS/CNY深度不错啊
« on: November 28, 2014, 06:17:00 pm »
内盘CNY深度不错,大家快来交易啊
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market USD/BTS     average price: 0.016716             min cover: 0.0150444            short amount: 9089.22972239 USD(543744.300215 BTS)              02:13:18
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    Bid Price    Vol(USD)  Depth(USD)  Depth(BTS) |     Ask Price    Vol(USD)  Depth(USD)  Depth(BTS) |   Cover Price    Vol(USD)  Depth(USD)  Depth(BTS)    Warnning
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   0.01673092      505.18      505.18    30194.16 |    0.01710000      611.27      611.27    35746.77 |    0.01206983       70.00       70.00     5800.00  0.01341092
   0.01639344      200.00      705.18    43015.74 |    0.01724138      200.00      816.32    47346.77 |    0.01141031       39.02      109.03     9555.23  0.01267812
   0.01639033        9.91      715.09    43628.53 |    0.01739130      100.00      923.42    53096.77 |    0.01111894       40.03      149.06    13405.62  0.01235438
   0.01634660    64538.00    65253.09  3991844.47 |    0.01746725       17.47      944.92    54096.77 |    0.01091415       50.01      199.06    18239.07  0.01212683 
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
market CNY/BTS     average price: 0.102485             min cover: 0.0922365            short amount: 24891.414825 CNY(242878.614675 BTS)               02:13:18
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    Bid Price    Vol(CNY)  Depth(CNY)  Depth(BTS) |     Ask Price    Vol(CNY)  Depth(CNY)  Depth(BTS) |   Cover Price    Vol(CNY)  Depth(CNY)  Depth(BTS)    Warnning
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   0.10352525      888.78      888.78     8585.19 |    0.10456617     1026.22     1026.22     9814.06 |    0.08018939      185.24      185.24     2310.00  0.08909933
   0.10269704     4000.01     4888.79    47604.00 |    0.10507812    10862.85    11894.09   113192.83 |    0.07994801      285.15      470.39     5883.64  0.08883112
   0.10258748    19804.51    24693.30   240704.75 |    0.10648500     4098.61    16151.95   151682.83 |    0.07961520      105.09      575.48     7228.24  0.08846134
   0.10000000      100.00    24793.30   247932.95 |    0.10658846     3197.64    19365.28   181682.73 |    0.07957914      190.14      765.62     9620.85  0.08842127
   0.09900990      100.00    24893.29   251422.28 |    0.10663429     5171.66    24545.27   230181.78 |    0.07940231      230.27      995.89    12542.28  0.08822479
   0.09881423      900.00    25793.29   261028.14 |    0.10751883     3224.49    27973.37   260171.78 |    0.07879934      275.80     1271.68    16138.25  0.08755483 
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
default (unlocked) >>>
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===================20141128T181500=======================
    EXCHANGE           PRICE           DEPTH    SCALE
---------------------------------------------------------
       btc38         0.10350    507541.65353  0.50000
        bter         0.10325     26975.37731  1.00000
     bts_cny         0.10405    230181.77689  1.00000
     bts_usd         0.10392     53096.76714  1.00000
       yunbi         0.10350     25279.64000  1.00000
---------------------------------------------------------
     average         0.10374
========================================================

140
中文 (Chinese) / 内盘拿到定价权
« on: November 27, 2014, 01:11:31 pm »
以下是我最新提交的受托人喂价结果,我使用的是3%以内的市场深度作为权重
可以看到内盘USD 市场和 btc38 的深度基本上相同,最终计算出的价格比外盘高了大概1%
大家觉得内盘拿回定价权,这样合理吗?对锚定有什么影响?

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===================20141127T130626=======================
    EXCHANGE           PRICE           DEPTH    SCALE
---------------------------------------------------------
       btc38         0.10150    242638.76245  0.50000
        bter         0.10135      5936.30000  1.00000
     bts_cny         0.10443     39964.79342  1.00000
     bts_usd         0.10316    234756.92956  1.00000
       yunbi         0.10305     70701.81000  1.00000
---------------------------------------------------------
     average         0.10280
========================================================
===============================================================================================
   ASSET  RATE(CNY)    CURRENT_FEED   CURRENT_PRICE    MEDIAN_PRICE    LAST_PUBLISH   CHANGE
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    *AUD      5.263               0         0.01953         0.01956          0.0196   -0.19%
    *BTC   2269.696       4.455e-05       4.529e-05        4.53e-05       4.508e-05    0.48%
    *CAD      5.456               0         0.01884         0.01887         0.01892   -0.30%
    *CHF      6.380               0         0.01611         0.01615         0.01617   -0.13%
    *CNY      1.000          0.1015          0.1028          0.1029           0.103   -0.08%
    *EUR      7.670         0.01324          0.0134         0.01343         0.01345   -0.19%
    *GBP      9.677               0         0.01062         0.01064         0.01065   -0.12%
   *GOLD   7339.856       1.383e-05       1.401e-05       1.401e-05       1.403e-05   -0.14%
    *HKD      0.792               0          0.1298            0.13          0.1301   -0.08%
    *JPY      0.052               0           1.969           1.968           1.974   -0.27%
    *KRW      0.006               0           18.36           18.38            18.4   -0.08%
    *MXN      0.448               0          0.2297          0.2301          0.2304   -0.15%
    *NZD      4.849               0          0.0212         0.02123         0.02129   -0.27%
    *RUB      0.131               0          0.7854          0.7858          0.7973   -1.45%
    *SEK      0.828               0          0.1242          0.1244          0.1246   -0.14%
    *SGD      4.729               0         0.02174         0.02177          0.0218   -0.13%
 *SILVER    101.585               0        0.001012        0.001013        0.001014   -0.08%
    *TRY      2.772               0         0.03709         0.03716         0.03721   -0.14%
    *USD      6.139         0.01652         0.01675         0.01677         0.01678   -0.08%
===============================================================================================

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中文 (Chinese) / 这样的 feed price 机制大家觉得怎么样?
« on: November 21, 2014, 03:48:52 am »
因为现在的喂价计算完全依赖外部市场,导致内盘无任何话语权,这样是很不公平的。

但到底哪个市场才是真正有话语权的,我认为靠程序无法自动识别,因此比重会完全由  delegate 自行设定,最终价格按各个市场权重计算。

我准备提供5个市场供选择:内盘USD,内盘CNY,比特时代,云币,比特儿。
另外每个市场的价格会继续按采样取中间值的方式,靠成交量的方式会导致更容易被操控,有时候刷成交量是很容易做到的。采样点个数同样有各个delegate自定义。

大家觉得这样的方式怎么样?

What do you think about my new price feed mechanism ?

The status quo is that the price feed is rely on the external market , so the inner-market has no weight in the price , that is not fair .
But which market should have the real weight ? I think it can't be calculated by a program . So , we should let the delegates decide the weight value , and the final price feed should be calculated by the respective weight value .
I'm planing on offering five markets to weight in : inner-market USD price , inner-market CNY price , BTC38 , Yunbi , Bter .
Further more , the price of each market will continue to choose the sampling of intermediate value , because if we rely on volume it would be more easy to manipulate . The numbers for sampling points should be decided by the individual delegates as well .
How about that ?

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We badly need market maker bots in the bitUSD market providing liquidity.

Even if they operate at a loss for a while, the positive impact that it would have on bitshares is well worth it.

Just look at Nubits.  Everyone thinks nubits works great and is an amazing technology, simply because they are providing liquidity to the market.  Everyone thinks bitAssets barely work at all, and Nubits is way better, because we dont provide any liquidity.


If there was actual liquidity in the market, then people could use it, they could actually create shorts, and so on.

This is why we are working on relative bid/ask orders to help aid the creation of liquidity.

 +5% +5% +5%

thanks you are reminding this to us when ever you can!
With this implementation we will be all market makers  :)

PS An estimation when this future gets implemented on the client ? I can't wait !  :)
please don't do huge market-maker at wallet market!
请千万不要鼓励内盘搞做市商!
内盘做市如果规模大了会死的很惨,因为内盘现在根本就没有定价权,价格是完全由外部控制的。
比如有2000万BTS买盘在做市
在0.02美元价格时,我可以在内盘卖掉2000万,然后在外盘拿500万BTS砸到 0.015。
然后0.015价格我又能在内盘买回这2000万BTS,在外盘买500万拉到0.02美元。
这样反复抽水,内盘做市商就被当韭菜割了。

translator from google
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please don't do huge market-maker at wallet market!

Please don't  encourage  market maker at wallet market!

Within  large volume,  market-maker will die very miserably, because the price is now totally control by external market.

For example, there are 20000000 BTS bid order from  the market-maker

at price $0.02 , I can sell 20,000,000 in the wallet market , and then sell at btc38 with 5,000,000 BTS , price fall down to  0.015.

Then the 0.015 price I can buy  20,000,000 BTS in the wallet market , buy 5,000,000 at btc38 ,price back to  $0.02.

This repeatedly pumping, the market-maker lose

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虽然我认为 bitusd 的锚定理论上已经成功了,波动不大,且在30天内总能按 feed price 买到 bts。


但这样的结果对大多数人来说是不可接受的,大众认为的锚定,一定要能随时按1:1兑换到人民币。


到底是什么导致理想和现实的差距呢?

1. 一般来说,对锚定有信心的人,应该是有很强的动力提供1:1兑换赚取手续费,为什么他们没有这样做?因为无法确定多少资金做锚定才是合适的,如果bitcny发行量太大,会导致在一定时间内承担bitcny全砸在手上的风险。


2. 就算有人提供兑换了,bitcny在支付应用上也有风险,如果他的发行量过小,根本无法满足流通需求。比如现在 40万bitcny发行量,交易所根本不可能用它来取代法币的地位。如果市场上太多人看空BTS,那么人们就没动力去及发行BTA了。

可以看到,这两个问题都跟发行量有关系,因为 bitcny 发行量的不可控,导致配套应用很难展开。

假如我们让他的发行量根据需求可控呢?根据市场对 bitcny 的实际承兑能力及流通需求,设定 bitcny 发行的最大值和最小值,由delegate喂给系统。

当发行量小于最低限制时,鼓励 short 单成交,比如免除利息,免除空单30天过期限制。

当发行量超过最高限制时,停止 short 单成交。

因为承兑服务是盈利的,所有愿意提供承兑服务的人定期提供自己账户证明,汇总后作为承兑能力参考。

而愿意使用 bitcny 的商户,则应提供自己对 bitcny 需求量,作为流通需求参考。

我相信做到这一步后会出现大量愿意提供承兑的个人和愿意使用其支付的商家

Translations :
Although I think the peg theory works , the fluctuation is not much , and you can always sell the peg asset for BTS at the open market rate according to the price feed within 30 days .
But this kind of effort is not that acceptable in the eyes of the general public . Because the peg demand from the public is that it can be converted to fiat at all time for 1:1 .

So , what's causing the difference between the ideal demand and the reality ?

1. Generally speaking , the people who believed in the peg should have incentive to provide 1:1 exchange for fees . Why didn't they ? Because they can't be sure they should put in how much fiat money for this kind of exchange  . If the issuing amount of BTA is to much for the market to bear , then the people who provide this exchange service would have a lot of BTA but no fiat money .

2 . Even if some one provide such a exchange service , the issuing amount still can not meet the demand if the issuing amount is too small (comparing to the potential demand .).  For example , there are just 0.4 million BitCNY now , major exchanges would not consider to use it as some sort of redeem code to be a on-ramp or off-ramp . If too many people on the market don't think the price of BTS will rise , they don't have the incentive to issue new BTA .

So , as we can see , these two issues are related to the issuing amount .  Because if the issuing amount is unpredictable , it leads to uncertainty for those who offer to exchange it with fiat .

But what if we can control the issuing amount base on market demand ? The delegates can feed a maximum and minimum amount for the issuing of BTA according to the actual demand for BitCNY and the need for circulation .

When the issuing amount is lower than the minimum amount , the system encourages the shorts to execute by a discount on interest or lift the limit for the short order to expire after 30 days .

When the issuing amount higher than the maximum limit , the short orders should not be execute .

Because being an simple exchange between fiat and BTA is profitable , those who want to provide such service should gave financial proof to the public , the delegates gather those numbers to provide maximum demand parameters for the system.

Those who want to hold and use BTA , should provide their demand for BTA as well , so the delegates can gather them to provide minimum demand parameters for the system .

I believe this way we can have a lot of individuals who will exchange BTA for fiat , and merchants who will use BTA as a payment tool.

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some new guy who want to run a 100% delegate, It's hard to trust them immediately.
they can apply for pay from this  fund first,  after they have proved what they can do for community, they can get the paid from the fund,
and can apply for a 100% delegate

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中文 (Chinese) / BTS资产管理建议
« on: November 13, 2014, 02:48:04 pm »
中文是怎么样的。。。。英语不好。中文社区发个帖让大伙讨论讨论,alt大师兄。
我提了两个建议:
1. 所有个人用户创建的资产,默认是不启动市场交易功能的,想启动市场交易功能必须支付每周100BTS的市场维护费用。
2. 跟资产相关的所有转账、交易,收取到的手续费,部分返利给资产管理者。

基于以下几点原因:
1. 返利可以激励更多有创意的商业模式,吸引更多优质创业者,获取的利润可以用来支付市场维护费用或回馈股东。
2. 持续的市场维护费用可以在保持低的创建费用的同时,有效淘汰无用资产。
    无用资产有几个麻烦:1)污染名字空间 2)可能会严重增加市场引擎负载,导致出现服务器性能问题。
3. 持续的市场维护费用为全体BTS股东带来了很大一笔收益。

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General Discussion / need more functions for asset manage
« on: November 13, 2014, 06:45:36 am »
we want to make a business based asset, but we got some problem,  can we add more asset management function?
like:
1. change the asset owner. edit the description.
2. multi signature on issuing or even maintaining asset. (maybe more than 3 keys) , so it would fit a multi-person business.

thanks.

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General Discussion / make BTS more profitable from asset
« on: November 13, 2014, 06:09:15 am »
I suggest to pay fees to enable user define asset's market.
for example:
If I want to active market PAYALT/BTS, I must pay 100 BTS/ per week.
and all the fees about asset PAYALT should return a part to me, so I can use this fund to  maintain the market active.

the return fees will attract  more creative business based asset.

and the maintain fees will make BTS more profitable.  1 market we earn 10,000 BTS/year. 1000 market we earn 10,000,000 BTS,
maybe we can still make BTS defaltion

another reason for market maintain fees is to weed out useless asset.

another reason is because I think the market engine can't support too many market.

any Idea?

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中文 (Chinese) / 创建资产的命令
« on: November 13, 2014, 01:39:28 am »
据说GUI上无法创建资产,这里是一个命令行帮助
创建资产符号为6个以上的只需要500BTS,否则是500000BTS,另外需要加上0.5BTS的广播费。

几个主要参数
Quote
资产符号:也就是单位,比如CNY
资产名字:没特殊限制,可使用中文
管理者ID:资产管理者的ID
资产描述:对资产的简介,可使用中文
总量:资产总量
精度:比如100表示小数点后有两位精度

举例:要创建资产BITSTOCK, 总量100万,精度0.01,由baozi管理
Code: [Select]
wallet_asset_create BITSTOCK "比特股票的名字"  baozi  "比特股票的描述" null 1000000 100
创建的资产要想进入流通,必须先发布,比如发布10万给 baozi
Code: [Select]
wallet_asset_issue 100000 BITSTOCK baozi
这时在余额内就能看到10万BITSTOCK的资产了

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General Discussion / create asset PAYALT
« on: November 13, 2014, 12:22:27 am »
I have created asset named PAYALT
If you want my private service(IT consulting services),  maybe  you can buy some  :D
I have ask at price 2000BTS/PAYALT, about 40USD/HOUR

Code: [Select]
(wallet closed) >>> blockchain_get_asset PAYALT
{
  "id": 59,
  "symbol": "PAYALT",
  "name": "hourly pay for alt",
  "description": "working 1 hour pay for alt(IT consulting services)",
  "public_data": null,
  "issuer_account_id": 16029,
  "precision": 10000,
  "registration_date": "20141113T001000",
  "last_update": "19700101T000000",
  "current_share_supply": 500000,
  "maximum_share_supply": 100000000000000,
  "collected_fees": 0
}

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中文 (Chinese) / 给3I特别是stan提一个建议
« on: November 01, 2014, 04:33:01 pm »
以后不要煽动粉丝,避免发表任何股价指导性的言论。
因为市场就是资本的游戏,没有任何人有十足的把握预测或指导市场,3I发表任何此类言论可能会被炒家利用,对粉丝们造成很大的伤害。
如果对产品有信心,请就事论事,只谈产品。

到现在这个时候,回头再看看中本聪当年多次主动请求取消BTC市场推广,这是多么有智慧的决定。
在我们产品功能并未落地,用户群并未成熟的情况下,请保持低调,给产品一个稳定的成长空间。
我仍是BTS最坚定的粉丝,希望我们尽快走出低谷,希望大家都吸取教训,要低调,低调!

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