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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 20, 2019, 08:52:24 pm »
BEOS is not "robbing" anything or anyone. Participating BTS shareholders are voluntarily giving their voting power to BEOS so that BEOS is enabled to integrate with bitshares. This will open up bitshares to the larger EOS community and bring value to both bitshares and BEOS.
what's your meanning about "they need voting power to enabled to integrate with bitshares"?
will this not be approved by other bitshares holders?
did this include vote in dead witness?
did this include vote in nobody known's commiittee?
did this include vote out others who didn't show loyal to stan?
All bull shit.
and this is why BEOS and the peoples who supportted BEOS's bull shit will lost my support.

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 20, 2019, 12:21:10 am »
There is big different between CEX gateway and BEOS.
people have to deposit shares to CEX if they want to trade.
but I can't find any accepatable reason why people need to deposit shares to beos.
for the purpose of raindrop, you don't need to rob peoples shares ownership, you don't need to rob people's vote power,
but these people just do it without doubt, they deposit shares to beos for only 1 reason, kneel and show loyalty to stan the godfather of beos.

Does that go for anyone who has ever put any of their bitshares on a CEX? Or anyone who has ever bought bitshares on a CEX and kept them there for a while before bringing them to the DEX?

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 19, 2019, 10:05:49 pm »
any account appeared in this list will never get my support for witness or committee or worker.
this means they gave up the ownership of their share, the word sockpuppet fit them very much, they are unreliable.


somebody maybe have interest, here is the list of transfer which donated to beos more than 1M BTS.

Code: [Select]
25227646.7152, blocktrades
22279422.0373, angel3
21114050, cadord-ozois7
14600000, invictus3
10207991, enkibeos1
10000000, stan3
9868885.9805, btsnow
8673452.5392, ibilitian-scoltock6
7990211.5226, cievia-waugaman3
7593039, rain2beos
7430923.9399, haeassa-granovsky5
6550000, abina.rivard3
keebler-kahn7, 6500256.2339
5422667.53589, cadord-ozois7
5172186.6832, jeraud-kanze2
4777689.69869, geravia-mackinnon8
4338906.2565, qqq1qqq1
4086728.3216, quonael-lievesley1
4064940, beos-bunker
3920520.4724, wesley-waugaman3
3816315.2519, stratolaunch
3647937, wb18919800929
gugugu33, 3539300
3189864, bafohald.degeorge3
3044242, austintexas11
3029462.5877, qqq1qqq1
3000099, iamfrom70s
gugugu33, 3000000
3000000, qqq1qqq1
2999999, newlandbeos2
2998499, billion-hero-prize3
2952927.2604, bts2beos
2859200, rvrtsbts
2500049.0373, thread2
2209480.0536, nana-roseannadana3
2191926.6782, kedaliwin-tefft4
2139791.954, qqq1qqq1
2117555.3873, rsbitshares666666
2004559.656, dadossi-chandra1
1999999.5187, goodc0re2
1800100, x-man
1673005, medabeos1
1561566, jabb3rwocky
1500000.3736, stan3
1498960.8691, hirendra-nakamoto6
1450000, tbone2
1428000, teiva
1415726.0071, michael22
1378395.2358, ralibaen-hagman2
1300001.6149, invictus3
1300000, yvg1900beos
1268583.9373, beos-gurjieff
gugugu33, 1258820
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1141587.4705, zetaliron-frayser1
gugugu33, 1122992
1106661, kaizen305beos
1079000.5226, beos-lzr1900
beos-lzr1900, 1019999.5679
1006421, lisa86
1000499.5186, hlmbj4r5

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General Discussion / Re: Bitshares at the cross roads
« on: May 19, 2019, 09:07:39 pm »
somebody maybe have interest, here is the list of transfer which donated to beos more than 1M BTS.

Code: [Select]
25227646.7152, blocktrades
22279422.0373, angel3
21114050, cadord-ozois7
14600000, invictus3
10207991, enkibeos1
10000000, stan3
9868885.9805, btsnow
8673452.5392, ibilitian-scoltock6
7990211.5226, cievia-waugaman3
7593039, rain2beos
7430923.9399, haeassa-granovsky5
6550000, abina.rivard3
keebler-kahn7, 6500256.2339
5422667.53589, cadord-ozois7
5172186.6832, jeraud-kanze2
4777689.69869, geravia-mackinnon8
4338906.2565, qqq1qqq1
4086728.3216, quonael-lievesley1
4064940, beos-bunker
3920520.4724, wesley-waugaman3
3816315.2519, stratolaunch
3647937, wb18919800929
gugugu33, 3539300
3189864, bafohald.degeorge3
3044242, austintexas11
3029462.5877, qqq1qqq1
3000099, iamfrom70s
gugugu33, 3000000
3000000, qqq1qqq1
2999999, newlandbeos2
2998499, billion-hero-prize3
2952927.2604, bts2beos
2859200, rvrtsbts
2500049.0373, thread2
2209480.0536, nana-roseannadana3
2191926.6782, kedaliwin-tefft4
2139791.954, qqq1qqq1
2117555.3873, rsbitshares666666
2004559.656, dadossi-chandra1
1999999.5187, goodc0re2
1800100, x-man
1673005, medabeos1
1561566, jabb3rwocky
1500000.3736, stan3
1498960.8691, hirendra-nakamoto6
1450000, tbone2
1428000, teiva
1415726.0071, michael22
1378395.2358, ralibaen-hagman2
1300001.6149, invictus3
1300000, yvg1900beos
1268583.9373, beos-gurjieff
gugugu33, 1258820
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1200000, beos-lzr1900
1141587.4705, zetaliron-frayser1
gugugu33, 1122992
1106661, kaizen305beos
1079000.5226, beos-lzr1900
beos-lzr1900, 1019999.5679
1006421, lisa86
1000499.5186, hlmbj4r5

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for now,
if you vote for more than 25 witness, beos can vote in 14 self account as witness and take over the main chain.
if you vote for more than 13 witness suppose it is x, beos can vote in (x-13) self account as witness.

And beos have already voted in 4 witness which almost don't have any other's support, if you want to vote out these 4 witness, you need to reduce witness account to 21.

in fact Bitshare have almost faile in the centralize situation because of beos vote with others shares.
I encourage everyone withdraw BTS from them, because beos never support BTS community, they only support BTS holders who obey to  stan.
those any project benifit BTS but not obey to stan will be against by them.

now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.
Max 21?

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now, beos vote in another dead witness which are not available for 2 years.
this is a joke of DPOS.
Code: [Select]
25 jerryliu #17,808,740 2 years ago 6464 367,891,309 BTS

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now beos began to show his power, he voted in a dead witness which didn't active 1 year,
Code: [Select]
wackou #25,446,974 last year 1343 388,144,015 BTS
and he voted in the cheater witness crazybit again.
he can vote in these junk witness because bitcrab, xeroc, cn-vote, clockwork have support more than 25 witnesses.
so be carefull, Bitshares is in a situation of big centralize risk.
if you want to vote out these junk witess, make sure you vote for max 21 witness.
and I suggest withdraw proxy to bitcrab, which still vote for almost 30 witness after this mention.

UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.

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UPDATE:
there are 360M vote power belong to beos now, and there are 13 witness have more than 360M vote support from others than beos.
this means if we approve 27 witness, beos can vote in other 14 self account as active witness and take away the main chain.

so everybody please make sure vote for less than 25 witness to ensure Bithsares is not in control by a centrol.

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.

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General Discussion / Re: Price Feed Review
« on: May 09, 2019, 09:30:14 pm »
I can't imagine what logic can be used to implement disapprove witness automaticly based on the feed price.
it's unresponsoble to vote witness automaticly by proxy, if somebody did this, please let me know.
BTW, did this development pay by worker income?

While we are at it, I started working on a python project that is supposed to automatically disapprove (unvote) witnesses that provide inaccurate feeds (relative to price feed) here:

https://github.com/xeroc/witness-monitor

Any development resources to improve that would be welcome.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Witness proposal] zbbtsbp
« on: May 08, 2019, 11:37:20 pm »
did I said they didn't need to do anything?
or do you think we don't have anything else to do except such as testnet, api node, seed server?

AFAK, all things witness need to do is just maintain a wintess node and provide feed price.
all other things is not requirement, just contribute to community with their own way.
it would be a pity if ZB do the same things as others.

It's always great to see new people get involved with Bitshares. Welcome!

For the most part witnesses are required to:
- Have a TESTNET witness
- Maintain a seed server
- maintain an API
- provide price feeds for the committee smartcoins

all that in addition to the witness server itself.
Please add your information to the Bitshares Github (seed and API). Once all that is complete I will be happy to vote for your witness!

You are right. If you hold the votes, you are not required to do much of anything.

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I mean when 21 is the median currently, and you vote for a number beyond 21, there are no extra use when you vote far more than 21,
it's totally the same contribution whenever you vote for  21 witness or 50 witness.
only when somebody change vote from a number below 21 to a number beyond 21, or from a number beyond 21 to below 21 can change the current active witness numbers.

I didn't understand.
The 21 is the weighted median of all votes, which means it is a result but not a condition or a reason, so it doesn't make sense to say "when there are only 21 then (to change the value somehow)".

for now, there are totally about 900M BTS participate the witness vote, BEOS have 300M vote power
there are about 21 witness got more than 300M BTS support without BEOS's help.
this means when there are extra about 150M BTS(this is very close already) vote for a number more than 43, BEOS got the chance to vote for another 22 self account as the active witness, and can take over the main chain.

and if we consider those witness who get 400M BTS support without BEOS's help as a safe line, there are only 16 witness beyond this line,
this means we should keep the active witness number below 31 to ensure BEOS can't get the chance easily to set 17 self accounts as active witness.

secondly, it's a  danger action to vote like this, when you or BEOS get more vote power, BEOS could take over the chain by add many self account as active witness.
True.

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firstly, it's not good to increase witness from this way.
secondly, it's a  danger action to vote like this, when you or BEOS get more vote power, BEOS could take over the chain by add many self account as active witness.
lastly, you have a misunderstanding about the vote mechanism, when there are only 21 active witness, you can't add even 1 witness when you have already vote for more than 21 witness.
on the other hand, you can't reduce even 1 witness when you have already vote for less than 21 witness.

so vote for the one you support, not a random junk account please.

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I'll support reduce MCR to 1.6 for both CNY and USD after this have already executed in CNY.
but I will not support reduce from 1.6 for neither CNY nor USD.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Witness proposal] zbbtsbp
« on: May 07, 2019, 02:38:32 am »
AFAK, all things witness need to do is just maintain a wintess node and provide feed price.
all other things is not requirement, just contribute to community with their own way.
it would be a pity if ZB do the same things as others.

It's always great to see new people get involved with Bitshares. Welcome!

For the most part witnesses are required to:
- Have a TESTNET witness
- Maintain a seed server
- maintain an API
- provide price feeds for the committee smartcoins

all that in addition to the witness server itself.
Please add your information to the Bitshares Github (seed and API). Once all that is complete I will be happy to vote for your witness!

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Witness proposal] zbbtsbp
« on: May 06, 2019, 09:05:32 pm »
I have support this witness.
glad to see that CEX and DEX are complementary instead of exclusionary.

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