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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker] Integration of BTS with Wirex
« on: May 04, 2019, 12:26:15 am »
I will not support this worker until can get more data analize about how much value this could give us.
there are no reason to pay for listing in a nobody use service, such as all fake volume exchange.

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I will not participate this voting because I am benefit related one.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Worker] Integration of BTS with Wirex
« on: May 03, 2019, 02:09:38 am »
can you provide the information about:
1. how many money did other community like Bitcoin Litecoin, dai etc pay for the listing?
2. how many real users did people use Bitcoin in wirex? LItecoin? Dai?
because I just searched that users need to pay 3% fees when use crypto current desposit fund. I doubt this could be accept by most people.

https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-05-wirex-integration

Worker Intent

Months of preparations, intensive phone calls and business development lead to a verbal agreement from credit card processor Wirex to list BTS. We believe that Wirex comes with a reasonable cost-benefit ratio and has an excellent reputation in the space. Wirex comes with 2.2 million registered users and the WirexApp provides access to Euro, British Pound and US Dollar and supports Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum, Ripple, WAVES, NANO, DAI and XLM.

Notably, its debit card services run over VISA.

Wirex is a well established and fully regulated company, properly outfitted with KYC and compliance. All information on its services, terms and conditions can be found on wirexapp.com. Its service also entails an affiliate program and a reward for use. We invite everyone to read up on the details.

We see this as a highly desirable functionality. As BTS is listed on known technical structures we have been offered this opportunity at much less than the usual price.

Depending on their worker load and schedule, Wirex technical team can integrate BitShares within 4 weeks.

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General Discussion / Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« on: April 24, 2019, 06:55:02 am »
good.
@stan @openledger @bitcrab @cn-vote @clockwork @still @abit @magicwallet and others, what's your point?
just know feed tracker have the full data already,
now you can see the data between 12.26 to 12.31
what a perfect accuracy  from crazybit
@stan, now you are the biggest proxy who support crazybit, what's your thought?
here is the full list of top proxy who support crazybit: beos openledger xeroc bitcrab cn-vote clockwork blockchain-bv still abit magicwallet.witness facem-1 spring-team dahu


While tracking the price alone is not the problem, I wonder how he manages to be that accurate and wouldn't even share that with the community.
I've removed my vote (again) and consider keeping it from crazybit unless he explains how he does that.

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correct, witness should compare with his old feed price.
there will be a big problem when we got a big wrong feed price even only 1 sec.

If the median is manipulated to 0.05 then a will update his feed when he checks next. That's why I said you should *check* frequently.

I admit that in your example the feed would be very much off for a short period of time, which could have catastrophic effects. It is an extreme example though, and I think that in practice such a situation would not occur.

Still, it makes sense to add another rule:

d) if your calculated feed price is off from your published feed price by more than 1-2%, you *should* publish the new price.

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General Discussion / Re: would you support a cheater as the wintess?
« on: April 23, 2019, 11:48:15 pm »
just know feed tracker have the full data already,
now you can see the data between 12.26 to 12.31
what a perfect accuracy  from crazybit
@stan, now you are the biggest proxy who support crazybit, what's your thought?
here is the full list of top proxy who support crazybit: beos openledger xeroc bitcrab cn-vote clockwork blockchain-bv still abit magicwallet.witness facem-1 spring-team dahu


in case you don't know how to see the chart, I will tell you the detail:
1. open http://pricefeed-tracker.dex.trading/
2. input crazybit in publisher,
3. input 2018/12/26 10:00:00 am in "From"
4. check the box "feed median"
you will see a chart like below, you can see every 5 minutes(10:15, 10:20, 10:35, 11:00, 11:05, 11:10 etc), the feed  price from crazybit will followed the median price.
in fact everytime he refresh the feed price, he always drop to the median price exactely.
other time, they are the same. even at 10:05, when he just changed back from 30% higher price, he droped to the median price exately.


after that, you can try to see other's feed price, you'll know what's the real price from outside should be.
here is a sample from magic wallet.witness, you can see every time he refresh the price, it's random arround the median price.


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General Discussion / Re: lucky us, avoid from a disaster
« on: April 23, 2019, 03:19:52 pm »
but please make sure every witness have run the black swan protect logic with correct api ASAP.
and make sure announce for any tiny change of the base protocol please!

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General Discussion / lucky us, avoid from a disaster
« on: April 23, 2019, 03:16:18 pm »
becasue of this upgrade, we will get a wrong margin call price for each debt from the old api.
based on the BSIP, witness should protect black swan for CNY and USD, so they should give a feed price 10USD/BTS and 10CNY/BTS
this will destroy exist bitCNY and bitUSD, make it only worth around 0.1 FIAT CNY.
the godd thing is seems only gdex-witness run the black swan protect logic, we have avoid from this disaster.

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另外因为这次CORE升级没有沟通好,差点导致更大的一个安全隐患
如果见证人都使用了失效的API做喂价保护,现在我们的喂价已经是10元了,1bitCNY,1bitUSD大概都只值1毛人民币了
幸亏见证人偷懒避免了这个灾难。

估计是api变动触发了黑天鹅保护,但是这个保护也失败了,应该喂价10元才对
其它见证人要么根本没保护,要么用的其它API

gdex喂价怎么显示出6.4元了?

脚本问题吧,大概也没设价格防火墙,

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估计是api变动触发了黑天鹅保护,但是这个保护也失败了,应该喂价10元才对
其它见证人要么根本没保护,要么用的其它API

gdex喂价怎么显示出6.4元了?

脚本问题吧,大概也没设价格防火墙,

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Then I do not understand where you see a problem.

If b feeds 0.1 and c feeds 0.101 then it doesn't matter if a feeds 0.06 or 0.09.

It is only important that a *checks* frequently what the price is. Then if b suddenly feeds 0.059, a can update quickly.
a feeds 0.05, b feeds 0.1, c feeds 0.101, then either b or c got a chance to manipulate the median price from 0.101 to 0.05.
if there are 21 witness, 10 feeds 0.05, 11 feeds 0.10, either of the 11 have a chance to maniuplate the median price to 0.05.

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In your example a majority of witnesses collude to manipulate the feed price. That always works, independent from what the minority does.
nobody manipulate the feed price, they just been supposed to follow your suggestion, didn't update price when it can't change the median price.

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你说对了一半,见证人里混水摸鱼的大有人在
典型的比如 crazybit 什么都没做过,靠吹牛逼进来当见证人,后来还喂价作假被我揭发了,照样稳稳的坐在里面混吃混喝。

这里根本的问题在投票的人,是他们不负责,看关系,才导致见证人成了一个吃大锅饭的养老院。
我也不怕得罪人,典型的就是 cn-vote, still, 跟着 bitcrab 投,见证人这么懒散的情况下还为了增加名额投了几十个垃圾名额。
beos更是傻逼,你问问他支持的见证人中他了解几个,投了几个屁都没放过的,但是不投 gdex, magicwallet
好事是xeroc这个蠢货票终于少了

所以你也不冤,归根结底是BTS持有人傻逼愿意养这些见证人,要么说服他们要么等BTS换手要么砸了走人。

这帮见证人简直就是把bts往死里整。

推不动,没办法。

提核心开发BSIP,核心开发者也不会关注也不会了解这些是为了什么,其中涉及到的复杂市场博弈他们也很难想明白,从很早之前的回复来看就知道了。

       喂价不得低于内盘实际价格,就是喂价不应当低于投资者在内盘买一个bts所付出的人民币的实际数量。完全合理,合情,合规啊!喂价低于这个值就是不合理的啊,喂价应当反应实际价格啊,这有什么难于理解的呢?现实是喂价竟然长期低于实际价格两个点以上,这不是作恶是什么呢?
       应当将喂价的底线写入程序,否则这么任由见证人瞎喂,迟早玩完。

喂价反应的只是一个方面,不过也反应出了BTS现存的一个很严重的一个问题:

这帮节点见证人太他妈的安逸了,很多抵押机制的缺陷已经被市场暴露出了无数次,他们发现不了?!不是发现不了,而是太过安逸,节点竞争的不充分,谁也不想改谁也不想动,你提出问题来,他们会立即反驳没有问题,你提出解决方案来,他们会各种漠视。

一个喂价这么长时间以来难道都没有发现有问题?见证人群体在喂价中权利如此之大,难道不应该负起责任来?!

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you are definitely wrong.
every witness should input the feed price without any dependence from other witness or median price.
this is what the meaning of "witness".

here is a possible result when follow your suggest:
suppose there are 3 witness, a gives price 0.059USD, b gives 0.06 USD, c gives 0.061 USD
when the price rise, b change to 0.061, c change to 0.062, a get a new price at 0.06, so he don't need to update feed price.
when b and c goes to 0.062, 0.063, a still keep unchange.
...
when b and c goes to 0.1, 0.101, a still keep unchange.
now b and c got a chance to control median price between 0.059 to 0.1.

for 21 witness, when there are 11 witness always get a little bit higher price, while other 10 always get a little bit lower, this could happen too.

Is that were we are trying to go with this? Provide frequent up to a minute feeds?

*Publishing* a feed every 2 minutes is normally not required.

*Checking* the feed often is a good idea though. Technically you need to publish only if
a) your feed is about to expire, or
b) if the new feed price would change your position relative to the median (i. e. old price was below median and new price is above, or vice versa), or
c) your feed price *is* the median

You may want to publish more often than that to avoid being accused of neglecting your duties. :-/

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Set MSSR to 1.02 provide an optunity that anybody can make profit by buy bitCNY with fiat CNY at price 1.0 while sell at 1.02.
This could help increase the fund to provide bitCNY/fiat CNY liquidlity. when there are enough fund participate, competition will decrease the spread.

I known what you really concern is to increase the supply of bitCNY, but it can't give too many help with decrease MSSR, 
the purpose to decrease MSSR from 1.1 to 1.02 is just decrease the premium of bitCNY, and it works.
the only way can help increase the supply is provide more real money support BTS.

I will not support reduce MSSR less than 1.02.
sure we need to keep some profit space for those who help eat the margin call order.
I saw some people want to reduce MSSR because they think feed price is too lower than it should be,
they should try to change feed price instead of change MSSR. there is big different between these two problem.

I agree that price feed problem and MSSR problem are different and need different ways to solve.

but after so long time practice,  I think we should understand more deeply on the margin call rule sets.

first, can we just ragard the profit space for eating margin call orders as same as "MSSR-1"?

No, actually when the debt position is margin called/the collateral is forced to be sold, the profit space for eating margin call/the punishment to debt position owners is there.

even if MSSR = 1.

because if you are provided the rights to buy some volume of BTS at the current market price, don't you think this right worth some money?

the same logic that trader need to pay for American options.

and what we can see clearly is that, either we set MSSR=1.1 or 1.02 does not determine whether the margin call orders be eaten or not, the more important factor is market sentiment.

the disadvantage of high MSSR is that, it benefit more on shorting BTS, and then encourage traders to short BTS.

so my ideas on MSSR setting is, MSSR should be greater or equal to 1, the lower, the better.

for bitCNY, 1.02 is a value that do not lead to "margin call orders not eaten" phenomena, it's time to consider to reduce MSSR more, to discourage shorters, to ensure better pegging.

for bitUSD, 1.02 is a value that margin call orders always stay there without being eaten, so no need to consider to reduce MSSR currently.

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