This is not a permanent action, perhaps it will last at least several weeks.

I'd like to support good projects, but actually we need to review the workers and control the budget, especially in bear market, for long time the inflation from workers is too high and out of control, if we continue to let things be like this, I don't think BTS has a good future.

another point is that the action is mainly done by cn-vote, which is a multisig proxy in China community, all the votings  are decided by themselves.

This is reality:

There is no several weeks that these workers will survive:

- bitshares.org
- Decentralized 2019
- NABTS Conference

Now to be more clear.

If

- bitshares.org doesnt see funding by end of the current week, all services around it will be terminated including complete DNS structure of the domain. There will be no DEX, no website, no emails, no news.bitshares.org and all the authors will vanish due to missing payments.
I have no intentions to borrow money again just to stay around network and help BitShares grow, because certainly my pockets are not any deeper for the past 19 months of work, but debts are.
- Decentralized 2019 had serious downtime payment and if ends up in being underfunded that money will be gone.
- NABTS Conference, as escrow (Institute) who is legally responsible for signed agreement we do have some legal responsibility to respect it.

I agree we need management, but not in hostile way like others do. Playing politics means to sit down and talk together on possible solutions, not just act as we believe its the best fit.

hope you understand my position well

P.S. I will try to setup a witness or two to compensate bitshares.org worker in the meantime, but I don't see any other solution to this matter. You as a holder should be aware that 86k USD for entire year of development, seo, marketing, content writing was VERY TIGHT BUDGET in the first place, but was allowed by escrow/holders, so we already did more than we should from the day one. This is not first time refund400k is keeping it off this year and we can't afford another period of being inactive. I don't have to remind you that worker already suffered many months of devaluated salaries due to another hostile forcing of BSIP42 through witnesses at the time.

Chee®s

Quote from: zhouxiaobao on August 10, 2019, 08:51:16 am

不知道cts是啥

CTS (https://www.citshares.org/)  是BTS的改进版。针对BTS社区讨论了几年都没有进展的问题，CTS大胆的进行了改革，比如：

    1、去掉全局黑天鹅改进 https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28525.0
    2、开启挖矿模式。引导大资金投入到挖矿中。

当然，CTS还在不断的进行摸索，在创立之初，我们曾规定喂价不能低于买单价，并在程序里进行了规则的固定。但是随着我们测试的深入。
我们发现在快速拉高市场价再砸回来的时候，会触发黑天鹅。虽然全局黑天鹅在CTS里已经去掉了。但这毕竟算一个漏洞，经过深思熟虑，我们去掉了对喂价的
这一限制。与之对应的是，我们以更加开放的心态，来讨论新的喂价规则。https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28563.msg331966#msg331966
    当前阶段，CTS致力于构建一个完善的挖矿竞争环境。
有技术的可以自己挖矿： https://steemit.com/cts/@citshares/6jhdmn-citshares
没技术的可以参与代理挖矿：https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28639.0
想参与交易的可以充值提现：https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28431.0
                                    https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28690.msg332621#msg332621



    这里多说两句，CTS的参与者都是石墨烯技术的信仰者。我们坚信石墨烯技术能给币圈带来真正的繁荣。BTS虽然是石墨烯的第一个杀手级应用，但现状让我们这些老韭菜非常的寒心。我们不是没有呐喊过，但是尸位素餐的理事会，杀鸡取卵的见证人，还有固执己见的意见领袖，一次次的让我们失望，愤怒，乃至麻木。
     去年的年底，我们决定自己动手来实现理想。改代码，从c++学起； 搭网页钱包，从html学起；我们一步一个脚印，虽然动作难看，但我们一步步的向理想迈进。
不论外界有什么非议，都无法动摇我们的信心。

Banned for 7 days. One more advertisement, comparing how citshares is better than bitshares or mentioning "mining" next to BitShares will end in permanent ban.

Chee®s

I say it again this is the UI team's fault
they got many payment but continue give us a shit.
I don't known why anybody can be shown as a receiver in the form, even filled automaticly.
I don't known why anybody create a prosposal can be shown in your wallets
when we use a traditional financial app, we known we should only trade to the one in whitelist.

Quote from: jimmytk420 on July 12, 2019, 02:06:22 pm

Well, I've just been fu*ked over by this 'proposal scam' and have lost $20,000 USD, my life savings and funds I have built on crypto over the past 7 years. I now have nothing.

I was trying to send a $40 payment to an phone wallet and it was taking a long time, so I checked my account again and saw this 'proposal' with some reference to verification to send funds, so I approved it thinking it was something new to verify my transaction. I had never seen this proposal tab before.

Next thing I know my balance is zero. Whoever was involved in developing this new "feature" which is costing people thousands of dollars due to being scammed, really needs to have a good think about WTF they are doing!

I have contacted OL support. I guess it is pointless asking if there is any chance of getting my money back?

If you want to view my account name it is: kurtduncan

Seriously pissed off!

แทงบอลออนไลน์

Wallet UI is not traditional trading app but universal remote control with all the buttons to operate BitShares network with possibilties that named account carry.

There is:

- Header warning on scam proposals.
- There is no accept button on proposals from unknown source
- There is detailed description that proposal is updating YOUR ACCOUNT PERMISSIONS.

Being:

- Ignorant
- Smart before actually read all the warnings
- Clicking switch to enable APPROVE button
- Approving
- Curious

You will end up losing your funds in real-life world as well.

It's not fault of UI Team, it's fault of no KYC or proper tracking/ban for specific accounts (even on core level) that can prevent malicious ones to carry on with this.

Chee®s

Quote from: Thul3 on July 23, 2019, 09:49:13 pm

How much market fee sharing is that app getting on average per day ?

Hi Thul 3
Fee income ranges from a few hundred to several thousand, and currently averages 200cny per day.

It would be very nice if you do export on your account for vesting/cashback so we can see a bit more transparency around this one.

Chee®s

Set to sticky, hopefully more people will see even if no activity.

Chee®s

Quote from: sschiessl on August 01, 2019, 10:47:51 am

Okay. To have a precise statement. Do you mean A) or B) from below?

A) The BitShares account "still" pays the expenses? Background: On the blockchain, BTS with an equivalent value (at the time of transfers) of 130k bitUSD have been paid out already to "still".
B) The BitShares account "worker63fundholder" pays the expenses?

Furthermore, is there a budget overview of this worker somewhere? It has specifically asked for an equivalent value of 90k bitUSD, so the time when payments in BTS happen is very crucial. Sorry for the annoyance. How much equivalent value in bitUSD was already used from this worker in your opinion? Might be that this issue reduces to plain accounting, I simply don't understand it atm.

up to now the 147k CNY for 1st Devcon was paid by myself personally, without getting any fund from still or this worker.

jademont and I have talked about this with still several months ago, he rejected to provide more detail of the worker expense and just told us to get needed fund from what was left from the worker.

so one choice is to pay this 147k CNY to me from the left fund of the worker, as the expense detail is clear and is in plan of BTS Greater China Representative, and at the same time we will continue to request still to provide more clarification of the other expenses. although we are not 100% sure we can get this done.

Wait, wait... Witness Still haven't provide transparency for worker accounting and told you in polite way to fuck off and use leftover on unmanaged worker funds ?

Im sorry if im too direct, no bad meaning towards yourself or Jademont.

“Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.”

This is a very wrong thought，“Fairness” come from the rule，then the stakeholder can judge which wittness didn't follow the rule.

The bitusd had destroyed by the GS, NOW the committee want to destroy the bitcny with settlement, excellent, just do want you want to do.

 I see, NO ONE in the committee know the market.

 That' all, end.

Quote from: clockwork on July 15, 2019, 09:38:39 am

Quote from: binggo on July 15, 2019, 09:16:18 am

I didn't find andy evidence to prove we have a “Much better feeding”, settled volume can't prove it, as the offset is 2%.

I didn't find any rule of the feed price，the feed price still control by the witness, and i found we didn't have any method to deal with the witness like “verbaltech2” and the GS Protection.

Quote from: clockwork on July 15, 2019, 08:45:05 am

Quote from: binggo on July 15, 2019, 08:31:21 am

So， did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

Quote from: clockwork on July 15, 2019, 08:26:08 am

Quote from: binggo on July 15, 2019, 06:59:37 am

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

If you don't think we have better feeding then you probably don't remember what was happening due to odd CMC , poloniex etc prices back when the offset was changed to 5%

I heard the same argument about settled volume not proving anything when we went from 5% to 2% as well... But nothing changed.

There are not supposed to be any rules and the price IS supposed to be chosen by the witnesses themselves. Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.

anything else is more centralized and completely defeats the purpose of having the witness fed system in place

Then where is that rule ? Show me whitepaper, docs or Bytemaster's statement (who originally started this all mess without rules or proper governance/limits) and we will follow it. Or you want me to educate you on basic principles and logic of BitShares blockchain ?

Quote from: Digital Lucifer on July 29, 2019, 08:53:00 am

Witnesses

7. xn-delegate
Voting: No,
Reason: There is not topic for the witness and it links to btsgo.net which is another Chinese revamp of DEX with very broken node list.
Possible solution: Create proper topic, update your witness, explain the value you bring to the community and I would be voting for it.
   
10. delegate.freedom
Voting: No,
Reason: URL leads to this forum without specific topic. What, why and who is Freedom its not even easy to find out. Proper introduction and more social/report activity as a witness should encourage proxies to vote and newcomers to feel safe about who they are voting on.

11. delegate-zhaomu
Voting: Yes,
Reason: Self-explanatory from his witness topic.
   
13. xman
Voting: No,
Reason: Another Chinese exchange built on top with 0 volumes on their assets and activity. Why we are supporting it when they do nothing about it by themselves - i'm clueless. No topic or person to discuss with.
   
14. xeldal
Voting: Yes,
Reason: Has been around here since 2014 and haven't seen any issues in his work as Block Producer.    

16. bhuz
Voting: No,
Reason: No topic, not even google search returned anything. I just don't have idea who is the person/Block Producer.
   
17. witness.yao
Voting: No,
Reason: Proper introduction in both languages, proper activity at some period, but haven't seen any activity around here for past 3 months. Vote removed, as soon as person become active again - vote will be restored.

19. delegate-1.lafona
Voting: Yes,
Reason: Lafona is here since 2017, been very good at job of Block Producer and is still active around forums/community. Should update witness to provide existing URL of submission topic (Also another block producer that deserves more than bottom of the list)

About the witnesses quoted above, I'd say you have somewhat of double standards.

All these witnesses did a good job on producing blocks because it's not hard these days.

Price feeds - I won't comment here.

But I'd say all of them aren't active.

Lafona: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=22138
Xeldal: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=448
zhaomu: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=46983

1.) No, I don't have double standards, but true that I haven't explained how I measured all of them.

a) When I said not active, I really mean not active even as a login. E.g. Lafona logged in last time on forums not long ago, and as Admin I had possibility to check. In simple words, was using bitsharestalk.org admin panel to check each of them. Where I said not active, that mean last login was 60 days ago.

b) Xeldal has been responsive in Telegram, and still is to this day.

c) Zhaomu same as Lafona had login not long ago.

Conclusion: I already said that all of this is my personal opinion, and info/facts/knowledge that I've collected myself - never said its 100% true or accurate.

2.) I agree that producing blocks is not a headache nowadays. There is always room for improvement though. Better hardware, better links, more scalability - You are the heart of the BitShares blockbrain.

3.) On price feeding I didn't had comment because I ultimately disagree with almost everyone on it. It should be given as a freedom to Block Producers and should be a must/required only all BitAssets. Without any enforced manipulation. Respectfully what blockchain/code/worker says - that's Holy Bible and nothing to be discussed.

I hope my answer did cleared some of your concerns on my opinion. I'll do more research and try to craft better slate.

Thanks and Chee®s