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General Discussion / Re: bitusd peg
« on: July 30, 2019, 12:38:20 am »
Open Market or Insurance Fund or Reserve Fund

Settlement is mostly meant to be used when the market does not provide sufficient liquidity, so that's not an answer.
We don't have an Insurance Fund, so you must spec out that too.
We have so far strictly avoided using the reserves for bailing out speculators, and IMO that's a good thing. I hope such a proposal will have little chance to succeed.

Point is this ....needs to get started or once again an opportunity will be blown..

Then go ahead and write a specification. Answering a few select questions on a simple example is not one.

To sschiessl ..or any dev who has time..

Is the current version of HTLC considered "trustless"  or will that be a feature in the next iteration?
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/wiki/HTLC

As currently shown...............https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/htlc

In this version

" 5. Redeem the HTLC (recipient)

    bob will obtain the preimage from alice, likely after performing the agreed upon task..."


If alice decides not to send the preimage even after the task is completed        ...then bob is .....?


If truly trustless this could be a solution to above problem....(at least until something better comes along, if ever..)

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27733.msg330985#msg330985

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28491.msg331534#msg331534

To sschiessl ..or any dev anyone with knowledge on the issue who has time..?


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General Discussion / Re: bitusd peg
« on: July 27, 2019, 09:23:27 pm »
UPDATE
This movie did not have a happy ending...

https://decrypt.co/8086/bitmarket-exchange-tobias-nemiro-dead-poland

Co-owner of shuttered Polish cryptocurrency exchange Bitmarket found dead

The body of Tobias Niemiro was discovered yesterday with a bullet shot to the head.
By Adriana Hamacher

July 26, 2019

Police are investigating the death of Tobias Niemiro, a Polish entrepreneur and co-owner of cryptocurrency exchange Bitmarket, which closed on July 8 under suspicious circumstances.

Niemiro’s body was found with a bullet wound to the head on Thursday in a forest near his home city of Olsztyn, three hours from the Polish capital, Warsaw, according to local radio. The exact circumstances of his death are, as yet, unconfirmed.

Poland’s leading newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, which has been heavily following the story, suggested that Niemiro, 44, had committed suicide.

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Yes..That method will be of little help..So yeah some alternatives should be thought of mybkexperience

https://cryptopotato.com/bitcoin-soccer-the-rise-of-cryptocurrency-sponsorships-and-partnerships/

BitShares could have probably acquired a Womens World Cup sponsorship package very cheaply.. compared to the Mens competition

Maybe a BTS Marketing worker should consider sponorship/partnership with women's soccer clubs in influential markets around the world...it would be substantially cheaper than mens leagues....

Smaller audience...yes....BUT a large enough market niche to springboard out of the Bear...and....Bitshares may finally begin to enter the consciousness of the female demographic (and some men too..)  which is smart if you want to increase demand for Smartcoins., etc.. the other spinoff effects will follow...BTS price increase,etc..  Moreover it might become the favorite crypto of a young, growing  and influential demographic over the longer term...just like how the DOGECOIN community fiercely supports its currency...except BTS has more practical and utility value but needs to be publicized..

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27733.msg332390#msg332390                 ( Public Goods)

I'm wary that just sponsoring conferences will not be enough to uplift  BitShares from where it currently is given the competiton for consumer attention,  increasing number of DEX's, ...etc.

If BTS is in demand by "the people".and the market cap is rising ..the investor class will see the potential and... all the issues re:  MCR, MSSR, TCR, liquidity,  etc. will be easier to or easily solved.
(Again I feel that BTS should at the very least put itself in a position to benefit from a positive Black Swan.

...You can't win the race if you're not even in the stadium)

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General Discussion / Re: bitusd peg
« on: July 27, 2019, 08:44:54 pm »
Open Market or Insurance Fund or Reserve Fund

Settlement is mostly meant to be used when the market does not provide sufficient liquidity, so that's not an answer.
We don't have an Insurance Fund, so you must spec out that too.
We have so far strictly avoided using the reserves for bailing out speculators, and IMO that's a good thing. I hope such a proposal will have little chance to succeed.

Point is this ....needs to get started or once again an opportunity will be blown..

Then go ahead and write a specification. Answering a few select questions on a simple example is not one.

To sschiessl ..or any dev who has time..

Is the current version of HTLC considered "trustless"  or will that be a feature in the next iteration?
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/wiki/HTLC

As currently shown...............https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/htlc

In this version

" 5. Redeem the HTLC (recipient)

    bob will obtain the preimage from alice, likely after performing the agreed upon task..."


If alice decides not to send the preimage even after the task is completed        ...then bob is .....?


If truly trustless this could be a solution to above problem....(at least until something better comes along, if ever..)

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27733.msg330985#msg330985

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28491.msg331534#msg331534

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General Discussion / Re: A way to mass adoption: consumer credit
« on: July 12, 2019, 05:53:19 pm »
Please, discuss.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27733.msg332390#msg332390

https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2019/07/australians-hooked-up-to-pay-for-groceries-with-bitcoin/


Bitshares needs to focus marketing on the basic use for bitUSD, bitCNY, bitXXX


Mass adoption >> regular people>> need Food, Shelter, Clothing>>>>>>>>> after that comes Galaxy S10 & iPhone 8


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General Discussion / Re: bitusd peg
« on: July 12, 2019, 05:38:03 pm »
We are close to blackswan again. Least collateral ratio 1.272
Compaired to bitCNY, bitUSD has almost zero buying volume.

We all use these types of products...every day...

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/public-goods-revolutionizing-household-products--3#/

This is a young company. HQ in NYC..{a crowdfunded startup}....I expect that if  the foundation reached out and educated them ..BBF could negotiate acceptance of bitUSD and other smartcoins ...
This is something ALL BitShares supporters (regardless of faction) can support...We ALL spend hundreds of dollars  on products like these over the course of weeks or months...so why not ?

In particular the female demograpic is sorely lacking in the crypto world and they generally do the spending, budgeting and influencing when it comes to household shopping..
This is the type of demographic that can appreciate the money savings that BTS can provide on transaction fees
and could also be producers of stablecoins.as well as save on credit card interest / paypal fees..and gain potential earnings from referral fees..

This is a use case with the potential to also illustrate to other merchants the superiority of BTS blockchain for retail sales...

[Note:   the developer who started DOGECOIN in 2014 was motivated " to create a fun cryptocurrency that could reach a broader demographic than Bitcoin."  and now...
(Today:  #28  US $404.6 m Market Cap and $41m   24hr Vol.)      #61   BTS:139m / 2.095 m]

https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2019/05/147081-coinbase-announces-support-for-dogecoin-doge-on-coinbase-wallet/

=========================
There are some youtube links with honest (not sponsored) reviews below...

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/public-goods-revolutionizing-household-products--3#/

https://blog.publicgoods.com/
https://blog.publicgoods.com/how-to-choose-the-right-filter-for-your-drinking-water/

personal care and household goods
How does shipping work?
Contiguous US shipping is free for orders over $45. For international orders, the shipping cost will depend on your location and the size of the package.

They have a limited time promotion of lifetime memberships..

Secret
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Never over pay for premium natural products again. Get a lifetime membership and access to all PUBLIC GOODS household, personal care and food products products… FOR LIFE!
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for women
PUBLIC GOODS HAUL + REVIEW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmdi3FrptKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EVOvU00qpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbgqkWZIH7c

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General Discussion / Re: bitusd peg
« on: July 09, 2019, 08:19:12 pm »
I don't think the peg is a big problem.

but I am confused that why now very few users are interested in bitUSD.

because of the black swan bitUSD lost most trust?

                  USDT....like going to the movies

Wikipedia definition -- 
            Suspension of disbelief
The term suspension of disbelief or willing suspension of disbelief has been defined as a willingness to suspend one's critical faculties and believe something surreal; sacrifice of realism and logic for the sake of enjoyment.

https://decrypt.co/7795/investigators-tether-loaned-usdt-to-investors-illegally-traded-in-new-york-ran-an-unregistered-securities-offering

[Excerpt  (NYAG= New York Attorney General) ]

   Tether untethered

"...In April 2019, the NYAG released a damning action letter alleging that the exchange had dipped into Tether’s reserves—blithely using it as a “slush fund”—to fill an $850 million hole in its finances incurred by the losses of those funds from its shady payment processor, Crypto Capital Corps. The processor’s various ersatz bank accounts had been seized by law enforcement in
Poland, Portugal and the United States.

Bitfinex, having left a gaping hole in Tether’s dollar reserves, then proceeded to pay Tether back via a “line of credit” facilitated through a ledger entry with Crypto Capital, according to the NYAG. Prosecutors allege that the companies then used shares of their parent company, iFinex, to collateralize the deal. .."


"...What the NYAG provided yesterday is comprehensive. Exhibits included in the latest filing appear to show that Bitfinex and Tether allowed New York investors—including the high profile Galaxy Digital CEO Mike Novogratz—to trade and redeem tethers until “early 2019,” when the investigation itself was well under way....

"...Worse, the document alleges that the companies went to extraordinary lengths to accomodate their large New York investors, who apparently made up a considerable portion of the companies’ wealthiest customers. “In fact,” alleges the NYAG, Bitfinex and Tether assisted certain traders in “establishing foreign shell entities to become the nominal account holders—a work-around of Respondents’ purported ‘ban.’”..."



As transparent as the origins of bitUSD, bitCNY, bitXXX are - traders don't have to "suspend disbelief" to hold BTS stablecoins....Imagine making 10x ROI on BTC trade over the past 6 months..only to wake up one day and find out you've been Goxxed via USDT.... It seems only prudent to at least hedge by holding some part of profits in "healthier" stablecoins...better to patiently ride out an Altcoin bear than to lose everything..

... but I think this definition applies:

   Suspension of Disbelief - mediacollege.com
   https://www.mediacollege.com/glossary/s/suspension-of-disbelief.html

   Suspension of Disbelief. This is a semi-conscious decision in which you put aside your disbelief and accept the premise as being real for the duration of the story.

   Suspension of disbelief only works to a point. It is important that the story maintains its own form of believability and doesn't push the limits too far.


Question becomes how long is the "duration" of the Tethers story?

Obviously these "insiders" have seen the documentary.."The Smartest Guys in the Room"  and are anticipating leaving low man on the totem pole holding the bag.........Again..!

https://bitcoinist.com/16-million-worth-bitcoin-missing-as-exchange-quits-business/

A Poland-based Bitcoin exchange has abruptly shut down operations, taking away the cryptocurrency funds of thousands of users alongside
===
UPDATE:  Unfortunately this is not a movie...


                                     A BLACK SWAN IS A LOW PROBABILITY, LARGE IMPACT EVENT

"... a highly improbable event that catches most everyone by surprise and can potentially disrupt human activities or create havoc..."


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Should we force a TCR, to limit the impacts of forced margin calls?

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=27733.msg328704#msg328704

This was the high risk/high reward position discussed here

Since the protocol can't control investor motivation it can only provide guardrails..thus optional TCR..

So how do you determine what the minimum non-optional TCR should be for margin accounts that hold more than x% of total debt in circulation?

e.g...

If margin account has > 1% of total bitUSD debt in circulation  >>> default TCR should be > 175%
   >5%    then  185%
  >10%  then   195% 
  >25%  then   225%?         (max?)

or some other sliding scale?

and under what circumstances would the margin account holder be able to override the default TCR if they wanted to partially close out their position using the collateral in the margin account?

Would it be only under low liquidity conditions or at anytime, even during bull market runs?

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General Discussion / Re: topics to be discussed in Shanghai
« on: July 06, 2019, 01:33:52 am »
Remind me again, isn't Huobi present at GrapheneDevCon in Shanghai this weekend?

http://gbacenter.org/event/index_en.html


Huaqiang WEN
Huobi pool

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Yes..That method will be of little help..So yeah some alternatives should be thought of

???    Could you elaborate?

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General Discussion / Re: Options. News and Information
« on: July 06, 2019, 01:23:21 am »
This forum thread is intended for publishing news and information on options issued by an account -- options-wallet

I think this is mixed up because you flipped the price

Strike Price - 0.75 BTS/CNY    ( ==  1.33 cny /bts)

"If July 20, 2019 BTS price is equal to or higher than 0.75 CNY, then the cost of the option  is 1BTS"


Isn't this just a prediction market UIA  ?             

If BTS price is > X   on date Y  then token  = 1 BTS  if not then token = 0        Issuer = Short position.....Buyer = Long position

Options are either CALL or PUT...


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General Discussion / Re: A way to mass adoption: consumer credit
« on: July 06, 2019, 01:15:23 am »

 CRED holders are also happy, because they have a highly liquid asset backed by real merchandise, which preserves its value over time as long as the merchant who issued them is doing good.

Please, discuss.

That is a big "IF"...in the age of AMAZON..!

Feasible idea...but why not just use bitUSD or bitXXX?     If the merchant uses "CRED" token then the liquidity of the token is limited to a market of interested buyers (and hodlers) of that token whereas bitUSD has no such boundaries... ( e.g  CRED token could be issued by a seller of children's clothing, which would be attractive to parents..but not so much childless couples/singles)

Also it's less work for the merchant  -- who would not have the additional admininstrative task of managing the issuance of a UIA and monitoring the amount in circulation..{because regardless of who owns the token..it still represents a liability - i.e. it is a potential claim on the merchants inventory.

He can issue "store credit" to his best customers (or their referrals) based on their reputations or a customized scoring system..
This way the only admin task for the merchant is to keep up a "reasonable" MCR for the volume of bitUSD issued as credit...

When the customer is ready to payoff the debt they can use their wallet to send bitUSD to the Merchant's account or even if they wanted to payoff (fully or partially) the debt in cash...the customer could use a mobile wallet like BiTSy
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@kencode/goodbye-middlemen-become-your-own-central-bank

Merchants could use a just-in-time method of inventory management -  Only order items from the manufacturer or distributor to meet customer specific demand. It may take a few extra days to deliver (or pick up) but the customer would be willing to wait if they are acquiring the items without need for cash...i.e tradeoff speed of availability for financial credit.. Merchant could then use cash/lines of credit, that would otherwise be tied up in a warehouse as inventory, in treasury operations so as to
produce more bitUSD and make it available to then issue more credit to customers..

Merchant could even advertise a "crypto lay away" plan......e,g..Customers can buy up to $500 worth of merchandise with bitUSD credit...and then payoff the debt "interest free" at say at $50 or 100 per month...

I'm sure there are lots of marketing ideas that could work, but the bottom line is that the merchant company would only have to buy BTS  if they want to issue credit....{they could even borrow fiat from their bank and purchase BTS directly via the Wirex platform}...And of course the upside is when BTS price rises the merchant can earn a profit and also offset any interest paid...Whereas with a CRED token the price could be quite volatile and even lose a substantial amount of it's value in the open market if there is limited liquidity...and end up with a bunch of unhappy hodlers/customers...!


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General Discussion / Re: bitusd peg
« on: July 02, 2019, 05:35:37 pm »
I don't think the peg is a big problem.

but I am confused that why now very few users are interested in bitUSD.

because of the black swan bitUSD lost most trust?

Because more trust is placed in USDT ....Because of Marketing or because of unlimited printing?

https://dailyhodl.com/2019/06/29/crypto-whales-move-444-million-in-bitcoin-as-tether-moves-millions-in-usdt/

https://dailyhodl.com/2019/06/30/billionaire-investor-betting-on-bitcoin-and-cryptocurrency/

https://dailyhodl.com/2019/06/27/china-calls-bitcoin-safe-haven-asset-as-global-economic-tensions-rise/


Maybe Asia based tycoons could put 2+ 2 together and figure out   >>   = BTS

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General Discussion / Re: topics to be discussed in Shanghai
« on: July 02, 2019, 05:18:44 pm »
1. core team discussions

2. marketing WP https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28444.0

More competition for Bitshares?    or it seems like modeling serivices that Bitshares already offers or could offfer?

https://www.coindesk.com/huobi-to-target-decentralized-finance-with-new-public-blockchain

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General Discussion / Re: why not borrowing?
« on: July 02, 2019, 05:15:04 pm »
bitUSD supply is now down to 3.87M.

no one want to borrow more bitUSD?

this is not traditional mortgage loan, this is stable coin minting!

https://usethebitcoin.com/south-koreas-sk-group-invests-10-million-in-blockchain-firm-consensys/

"South Korea is one of the most active countries in the cryptocurrency market after the United States and Japan. The nation has different companies that are starting to pay close attention to the

blockchain and crypto markets, while others have already started to work with this technology.

Some of the firms in the country that are entering the market include Kakao, Hyundai and Samsung, among others"

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