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It could be doable if force-settlement is disabled or force-settlement parameters are adjusted significantly at the same time, otherwise it will be gamed.

That's a detail which should be no problem to be included.

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P.S reducing bitcny threshold by 30% will reduce peoples CR from 2.6+ to 1.8+ .
Also reducing bitcny threshold by 30% will set the threshold at 0.154 bitcny or $0.0217 which at current price on CEX means that bitcny would have its pegg fully restored.
Since new threshold price would be at 0.154 bitcny and current real price is arround 0.17 cny it means the CR as of today would only fall from 2.6+ to 1.98+

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BAIP8(https://github.com/bitshares/baips/blob/master/baip-0008.md) is a new drafted proposal that consist reduce of bitcny price threshold from 0.22 cny to 0.154 cny

Now 2 poll workers have been created:

1.14.264 Poll-BAIP8-Implement new threshold for bitcny at 0.154CNY
1.14.265 Poll-BAIP8-Do Not Implement new threshold for bitcny
According to BAIP procedure definition, the BAIP8 will be considered approved while below 3 criteria are met:

1.worker 1.14.264 get more voting power than 1.14.265 worker.
2.worker 1.14.264 get more voting power than BAIP-Threshold Worker 1.14.236.
3.Both No.1 & 2 above last for three consecutive days.

BAIP: 0008 Title: Reduce of price threshold by 30% for bitcny Authors: b-dex Status: Accepted Type: Consensus Created: 2020-06-20


Abstract

The purpose of this proposal is to get bitcny full pegg back and make bitshares dex back attractive to traders


Specification

Bitcny and Bitusd has been put a price feed threshold to stop the negative effects of price manipulations on CEX.
Since then volume and interrest on trading on these both bitassets have sunk dramaticly.
To get back interest for the bitcny there is an opportunity to get the pegg back by reducing the threshold by 30%.
Currently all debtors who are shorting bitcny have a CR of 2.6 or higher.
This means reducing the threshold by 30% their CR will fall to 1.8.
There will be no margin calls and noone is going to lose a single BTS.
This way bitcny gets back its full value and the market gets attractive again to be used for trading.
BitUSD has currently not the opportunity because their CR is way lower than at bitcny debtors.


Operation
3 days after getting the BAIP proposal approved all witnesses change at 10 pm UCT time the price feed threshold for bitcny from
0.22 bitcny/bts to 0.154 bitcny/bts.

Please vote according to your opinion.


BAIP8(https://github.com/bitshares/baips/blob/master/baip-0008.md)



Please note the 2 debtors under CR of 2.6 also have enough BTS to increase their CR to above 2.6 but are currently so low fighting between each other to catch the force settlements.

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General Discussion / Re: I support the committee
« on: June 17, 2020, 07:19:42 pm »
So a whale who got 10 million BTS will create debt and skyrocket the price + 100% with no price change on CEX.So what is the hard fiat price ?

Or the whale takes his 10 million BTS dumps the price down by 50% and collects margin calls for a cheaper price.

You would open an extremly dangerous loophole

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Your suggestions are still irrelevant

1.14.200 "BTS repurchase destruction proposal"  has passed normal worker and is dominante.



Any touching of committee funds without holders consensus will be seen as theft.
BAIP can't give permission to touch any funds.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: BTS早晚会烂在国人手中
« on: June 16, 2020, 11:11:27 am »
持票人当然可以撤理事的票。

投票制度一致在运行,然而就是有那么几个人,整天就知道又叫又咬,仿佛只有他们才是持票人似的。

随便吧.

You lost ten of millions of BTS from OMO fund and Spring fund and later lost it again because of your stupid BSIP42 making big part of community leave to uphold hard pegg at all costs because of what ?To get businesses ?

Now you destroyed all confidence in bitassets because of your inside deals corruption in committee and stupid idea again.
You claim to support legal and open a company in thailand (biggest stupidity i ever heard) so businesses will join bitshares.
You really think any business is going to join bitshares seeing the corruption you created in committee giving you power over their assets ?
You must be a fool thinking any business would be going to invest into an asset which is controlled by you 4 corrupt committee members.

You made the majority of community leave thinking your scammy behavior will never end.
Your gateway lost majority of it traders making a laughable 100-200k bts trading volume.

How much more are you going to destroy bitshares ?

Maybe till chinese see we will get kicked out sooner or later of a major exchange because of breaking US and EU regulations about security tokens which you guys keep ignoring.

You did nothing positive for bitshares in the past 18 months.All you do is based on greed and control freak destroying everything bitshares represented.

Where are your supporters left that they don't trade on GDEX anymore ?
You need to pay them so they will use GDEX or bitassets because you created something noone is willing to use otherwise anymore?

Does community from biki,xt or mcx which should grow bitshares based on your claim for which we paid a lot of money don't bring any volume and growth ?



Let me ask you something when people left bitassets (bitshares) because of depegg ,corruption in committee making bitassets high risk and broken governance,
what would be the first step to get them back ?

A dividend ?

MM contest ?



Btw did any of you chinese people visited bitshares telegram groups looking how they are doing ?
ALL of them are inactive nearly dead.
Bitshares had so many active groups which are all on silent mode now because noone is willing to participate activly in your garbage anymore.
That is the result of your great work and longterm ignorancy.

The only message you can read on chats and even on github also from many chinese people is "I don't care anymore"

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: BTS早晚会烂在国人手中
« on: June 16, 2020, 01:07:59 am »
Will add what somebody wrote on telegram

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nobody in sane mind will buy bts in this stage, better to wait when they burn their resources and  got rekt and bought everything cheap as alt did


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Have a look at nash .io
A STO token for their exchange with permission from switzerland
Fully comply
NoKYC
NonCustodial

And somebody tell me that this is not possible for bitshares


Bitshares is clearly outdated and cn-vote together with bitcrab,abit and jademont are killing bitshares with their never ending parameters game and lack of understanding that bitshares is completly losing the race against other exchanges which are providing what people demand.

Instead we

1.centralize bitshares
2.keep gateways
3.have kyc
4.lose community
5.have broken and corrupt governance
6.Create issues with SEC which may result in excluding bitshares from exchanges for peanuts
7.Add scam wash trading exchanges
8.Focus core on non relevant work
9.Destroy our Infra
10.Kill any trust in bitassets
11.Open company in thailand


The Future of bitshares looks bright.

Thank you CN-Vote,Bitcrab,Abit and Jademont.

You did a great job in taking away members confidence and destroying bitshares in any aspect.


CN-Vote,Bitcrab,Abit and Jademont


Maybe you guys can explain how bitshares is going to grow over the next 6 months ?Or will it keep declyning to get out of CMC 100 into irrelevancy?

Will we get a bigger community with taxation ? Or maybe margin call fee ?Or maybe a settlement fee ?Or maybe your MM ?

How many new users will we get on a corrupt project where infra is dying,group chats are dying,bitassets are considered scams,governance corrupt,stagnation etc ?

Or maybe we will get growth when one of the foreigners groups will finally fork out being tired of your never ending corruption ,stupidity and ignorance ?

You already made more than half of the community inactive making that noone is willing anymore to spend a single minute on bitshares and not giving a dime about it if bitshares will sink


How much have we already lost compared to other projects in the past 12 months ?
What was our progress other than losing majority of our community and trust?


@CN-VOTE

Do you even know how Abit calls your voting behavior in foreigner chats  ?      DUMB NOOBS

I'm just asking myself why he always supports scams and stupid workers if he calls them publicly "dumb noobs"

and seeing how cn-vote supports scams ,inside deals and ineffective workers because of being heavily influenced by bitcrab,jademont and abit i have to admit you are dumb noobs because you are destroying bitshares and your own investment with your stupid voting behavior.

You destroyed bitshares infra with inside deals made by bitcrab replacing good witnesses who provided infra against $30 vps witnesses losing the same way confidence in witnesses.
You destroyed the neutral committee which always executed community will into a small corrupt committee which has no ethics left killing at the same time any confidence in bitassets as committee are in control of bitassets.
Btw why do you only vote for chinese people into committee except liondani and evangelist which was an inside deal?
Old dev core asked old CN-Vote leadership if they want to take control over bitCNY and its fees its collecting.
Old CN-Vote instantly and vehemently refused that offer from old core knowing it would destroy any confidence in bitassets.
What did you dumb noobs do ?Took control over committee with the most corrupt people who are being named by many as scammers making that bitshares lost any trust left.
What did you thought would happen when giving control over bitassets to a small committee group which are being seen as scammers for majority of foreigners ?
Next you create workers with no communiction outside of your small very limited ,shortsited and chinese based group.
You created a core prelude worker which will bring massive problems to bitshares which may lead that bitshares get kicked out of exchanges.
Abits,bitcrabs and your answer to that.Please bring a lawyer who confirms these claims.
So you plan something without checking if it's going to break security regulations ?You guys including abit have no clue about security regulations but let dev's work on it without even checking
if it is going to harm bitshares because you have no clue about law outside of china ?
Many people from diffrent groups both from china and foreigners making you aware about it and you demand a lawyer or will keep ignoring it ?

You really belive anyone is going to invest thousands of dollars so a lawyer tells you what your doing will cause a big problem because you have no clue about law and regulations in US and EU ?
Moving forward with your stupidity and telling we will see if problems will accure because of that ?
Once bitshares is kicked out of a major exchange because of regulations which you are attempting to break there is no more way back.

Your next stupid worker with the title "Bitassets Dividend" .
I guess a worse title you can't choose to destroy bitshares.

Keep going with your ignorance and corruption ,you made the ship already sinking and i can predict you 6 more months with these attitude from cn-vote which is heavily influenced by bitcrab,jademont,abit and bitshares is gone.


A word to your worker "bitassets dividend"

So first we depegg bitassets and later you talk about a permanent adjusted threshold for bitassets (aka bitcrab idea) instead getting pegg back.
After that you take control over committee with corrupt members and get control over bitassets destroying the rest faith in bitassets.
And now you create a worker to pay people to hold a depegged,corrupt in your hands controled asset because you complain people do not want to hold bitassets anymore?

Do you see how irrantional you are ?
First you destroy something and later you pay people to hold it because there is no more trust left without even fixing the main issue.
Is that progress or a kindergarten monopoly game ?


I'm sorry for being so direct but it's now either way accept your failure and support real progress and fix your corrupt voting to get back confidence into bitshares,bitassets and witnesses or go down because of irrelevancy.


Btw i voted for BSIP76 to protect the biggest value bitshares had.A big strong community
You destroyed that community behaving like the biggest value bitshares has is its parameters

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please correct your statement from community to a group because i haven't seen a single line of discussion of that topic in telegram.

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General Discussion / 22000 BTC
« on: June 11, 2020, 11:32:14 pm »
22000 BTC moved out of coinbase in a single day.
Bitshares could have been one of the main benefitians would some people stop blocking progress and focus on paramenters or exchanges with wash trading only.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/users-punish-coinbase-for-outage-by-withdrawing-record-amount-of-btc


Your desired mass liquidity which went somewhere else

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BAIP has no right to claim any existing funds expecially not from committee account.
You want to access funds you need to get the worker approved as a normal worker.
CN-Vote already destroyed any existing trust to committee which is being named now corrupt,scammers and other names.
If committee approves funds based on a non accurate BAIP worker which is trying to get access to funds they will be clearly seen as scammers and nothing else.
Committee funds should be based on consensus already long time be burned into reserve pool.
Bitcraibs and CN-Votes poor manipulation try to get access to these funds not executing community consensus will only destroy any kind of trust left on bitassets.
They call it already scam assets.
So instead of creating workers to bypass rules i recommend to first build up trust again into bitassets because cnvote and the trio did already enough damage to bitassets which resulted into a big decline.
I really am questioning if cn-vote is even able to get bitshares out of the crisis because all i see from cn-vote and the trio which is massivly influencing cn-votes community is playing with paramerters and no real progress at all.
You already made majority of traders leave because of your ignorance which you can see on the daily volume on dex.
You wanna spent 600k BTS /month minimum for what ?
Will it change any major issue bitshares is facing or any major problem why people left bitshares ?
I don't think so.All it does is reducing financing possibilities of real progress and giving free BTS to some big existing holders.

You want to succeed ?Maybe start first fixing your voting mistakes you did based on politics and inside deals instead for the good of bitshares and after that focus on PROGRESS and not on kicking on an outdated DEX which is losing competition against any other DEX because of your blocking of any real progress.

BAIP voting is defined by the voted in worker by consensus which made it very clear what a BAIP is and it's clearly not to get access to existing funds.

But you are free to explain to me how the 5 months wasted time and funds for core prelude worker are going to get us old or new members to bitshares.
Taxiation of gateways having now 100k BTS per day is getting us them to bitshares?
That's the effectivness which CN-Vote demanded ?


Maybe you can tell us where did us CN-Votes manipulation,inside deals,political,ignorace,lack of ethics etc brought ?
Because all i see is a heavy decline of bitshares in CMC rank and amount of members.
A reputation of scam project and dead bitassest
A totaly non trusted and inactive committee
No trading on DEX anymore
Destroyment of bitshares infra......

So tell me plese where did cn-vote improved anything on bitshares other than a few peoples income ?

Bitshares is now outdated to other exchanges because of its stagnation and even worse decline and you want fix it by endless playing and manipulating of parameters .
That is not going to bring bitshares any growth.


You think big amount of people calling bitshares a scam,bitassets a scam,committee corrupted,governance fucked etc because of CN-Votes ignorance and manipulation will bring any new users to bitshares ?
I doubt so.
You try to get people hold bitassets because they left ?
Maybe ask the question why they left bitassets and if you shouldn't fix first the reason why an existing community for bitassets left ?

Instead you play your endless parameters game which will benefit only a few people.

Tell me what is the result of the MM contest ?Have a look you don't pay people to trade on DEX they leave ?
Why ?


Based on volume numbers it is safe to claim that even chinese stopped trading on DEX.
Did you asked them why ?


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Special note: in essence, such voting is only a way for the community to express their opinions. The real control of the Committee accounts is still in the hands of the committee members. Some committee members may choose to implement or not to implement the proposal, and the community vote warehouse may also choose to vote for or not to vote for the committee members. If the proposal is approved and some committee members do not implement it,

How come you didn't do it when committee members didn't executed destruction proposal which was/is voted in ? Politics again ?

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Based on holders consensus committee funds should be burned to reserve pool.
Also committee lost trust of majority from members because of their past action and manipulation inside the committee.
Do you even read how people currently name committee ?

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Short reminder


You guys fucked up OMO fund
You guys fucked up Spring fund

You guys fucked up BSIP42

and now you guys fuck up again making bitshares irrelvant making the whole community leave.


You guys have a track record of the biggest disasters on bitshares and each time you abused your position.

OMO fund have been used against consensus to catch bitcrabs margin call so he would not lose the 10% MSSR.
You destroyed bitshares price.
Losing ten of millions of BTS.

BSIP42 forcing a stupid logic which your trio only found as good fucked up whole bitshares a second time.
The promise it will be only implemented at bitcny was broken as you also added BSIP42 at bitusd without consensus and against your promise and community will.
You fucked up bitshares a second time very big making the price over devalue again because of BSIP42 making big part of the community leave.

After that we made BSIP76 to protect large community against the manipulations where today i belive you just did it to cover your own asses and nothing more.Instead of reinstalling real price feeds asap you started talking about holding threshold and increasing it together with bitshares price.
You had no real intention in getting the real price feed back instead you worked again on a fucked up idea of you guys.

I got people together for a MM contest to make sure BTS can't be manipulated so easy anymore to fix the issues which led to BSIP76.
I told clearly the main important market is/was the stablecoin USDT which should be traded against bitassets should they have their
real price feeds to make it for any manipulator more difficult to manipulate bitshares price down and also as a catalyzator for upmoving prices.CN-Vote also agreed on this point of view.

Instead Bitcrab,Abit,Jademont create their own MM rules mainly focusing to create liquidity and volume on GDEX.Creating massive BTS sell walls on Bitshares DEX which makes that price of BTS couldn't raise quickly on CEX because of the massive amount of BTS which where bought from DEX and sold on CEX for arbitrage.
Bitshares were always underperforming compared to the average of the market.
You added completly irrelevant markets just to get volume for GDEX.Instead of thinking what is best for BTS you focused what is best for GDEX.
You have been asked and questioned from all sides to update these stupid rules.
You 3 denied it giving a fuck of other members opinion.
You ignored it till the last day where you 3 and bhuz would get another tranch of BTS to committee-trade account to keep the poor MM contest going without changes
which everyone was demanding.After pointing bhuz all the negative opinion about your rules and your ignorancy he removed his vote and stopped this way the MM contest.Even than you tried looking for another committee member to vote for it to keep continuing.
Today you blame there was no big interrest or demand to change the MM contest.
The MM contest was hijicked by you 3 turning a legit MM contest into garbage.

The result of your garbage we can see today.Gdex having just 100k BTS volume without giving free BTS for trading.Even Rudex has now from time to time more volume than GDEX.

You guys pushing for scam exchanges where it was clear who will get majority of rewards with its wash trading,
core prelude doing nothing special just wasting time ,funds and creating more conflicts because of your ignorancy of laws in the US and EU.
You guys fucked up again and started banning people everywhere who mentioned your corruption,failures and lack of knowledge.Your try to centralize bitshares which created a lot o groups working on a fork.
You guys implemented total corruption into bitshares that people get voted in based on inside deals for personal benefit instead of what is best for bitshares.You guys destroyed bitshares infra voting in witnesses who provide nothing just a simple $30 server/vps and are not even being active at bitshares at all.
Supporting scam workers instead of legit ones which would benefit bitshares.
You made longterm member stopping to participate,getting inactive or to leave bitshares.
We are now on CMC 95 and what is your plan/solution ?

Taxing gateways the 300k BTS volume they generate ?
Banning big part of the community ?
Destroying our infra creating issues at every corner ?
Making the whole community at both sides tired ?

Where is your plan ? @Abit @Bitcrab @jademont because all i see is again a big failure which is bitshares giving a death thrust should it move under CMC 100 which you are pushing bitshares with full speed with your lack of ETHICS,PLAN and FARSIGHTEDNESS .


You guys destroyed with your corruption and greed and also stupidty any trust in governance,bitassets and possibility to fix it with you on board.

Even chinese members from cn-vote are tired of you


@Abit how many members have you already banned from bitshares as i saw you keep banning even active devs ?


@Abit do you really wrote that you as dev and dictator of bitshares give a fuck if your BSIP is causing legal issues till someone brings you a lawyer who tells your otherwise even you hear it from all groups of bitshares everywhere on telegram,forum,github ?

@Abit do i lie when claiming you wrote on main telegram group multiple times as committee member ,dev,admin and proxy that corruption and manipulations are ok for you ?

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Quote
MM老方案我早就看出来执行有问题,早就说停,谁一直撑着要继续,谁出来说。

You are a liar ,manipulator and dictator and nothing else.
You have been asked by many committee members,cn-vote and others multiple times to adjust MM contest correctly.You always refused and only changed MM contest based on private talk with bitcrab only.You basicly executed his personal desire and completly ignored
all other committee members.CN-Vote was/is mad at you because you kept ignoring all valid request which made total sense.
Bhuz was asked if he can update the script to bypass your ignorance but he said he is not able.

Seriously stop working on bitshares ecosystem and focus on programming because each time you touch the ecosystem a new disaster accures.
Bitshares deny and losing big part of the community and getting majority longterm members inactive should be sign enough for you
or have you still not realized that people stopped participating because of you and try now everything to create a new community channels without you ?

Your understanding of economics is just horrible and your ignorance and stupidity on law won't protect bitshares
against SEC and EU laws.You are risking to get delisted for nothing.We have already a volume problem on major CEX and now you are creating the next big issue where so many diffrent people from all sides tell you about it and you being so ignorant and dumb to demand them bringing a lawyer and spend money for him to explain your stupidity.

You destroy bitshares and demand others to proof your lack of understanding in law.
Thats your quality of work you are providing to bitshares ecosystem.
Let's see how quickly chinese will spit blood on you once bitshares gets kicked from one major exchange because
of a feature which is completly irrelevant and just a waste of time and resouces like majority your group has brought to bitshares.
Bittrex already showed how quickly they kick and how hard it is to get back in.

Seriously stay in programing as your ethics and understanding in ecosystem and law are insufficient.

I'm using these words so maybe it arrives at you after such a long time.

We have spent millions of BTS mainly for GDEX participants.
So looking today where is the improvement when whole GDEX has a daily volume of 100k BTS ?!?

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: a神,交易挖矿何时恢复?
« on: June 07, 2020, 04:47:08 pm »
没喷对啊,不是a神关了的啊,是公会集体投票不支持才停掉的

Not by the guild but by committee members who stopped supporting a closed group operation.
Could you get funds without their agreement you would have continued not caring about any demands from both sides.
Even committee from cn-vote stopped supporting it.

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批评家很多,但是能给出建议的几乎没有。

BTS未来怎么走?

发展稳定币被证明不可行,网关被证明竞争力不如CEX,然后呢?

1、发展基于BTS DEX的理财产品,毕竟公开透明
2、推广交易功能,给那些怕被CEX割的项目方用,虽然很难做到头部,但随便几个项目过来交易,让系统盈利恐怕不难。但这需要强大的市场团队去做。遗憾的是,市场提案到现在都无法通过。

Your scam workers and exchanges biki mcx etc took a big part why bitshares is failing.
Who is a benefiant of marketing ?GBAC ?Who is GBAC ?You ?

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