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中文 (Chinese) / Re: Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 10:24:53 am »
帮Clockwork大神翻译一下:

作为去中心化会议(Decentralized Conference)合作伙伴关系(https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0)的一部分,我们在会议上获得了4位发言人和一个主讲人位置。

根据工人提案中描述的计划,4位发言人将发表基于比特股的业务。

到目前为止,三位发言人是OpenLedger,Everprove和BitSpark,我希望第四位发言人将来自于中文社区 / 中国的社区。 我们将为发言人提供2人参加会议的航班和住宿,并提供20分钟的演讲时间,以及在比特股展位和会议资料中提供营销机会。

有关会议的更多信息,请访问:https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

欢迎任何建议。

附: 如果有人能将上述内容翻译成中文,那就太棒了。
费用重新做规划了吗?

If google translate is working properly. Worker is currently being funded so there should be no problems. Cost breakdown is in the worker proposal.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 28, 2019, 09:20:04 am »
Hello, I would like to thank @ioBanker very much for raising this matter and everybody who contributes to the discussion!

Athough I share most of the ideas highlighted by @ioBanker above, I am more crytical towards current situation of the community and do believe Bitshares are in deep crysis that may easily finish with the ecosystem's marginalization and stagnation, moving price of the core currency down.
IMHO the root cause of the problem is lack of leadership and vision. The founder has left the project in the early stage and there is noone who effectively replace him. Decentralized governance so far is not being effective enough to cope with the current challenges and drive the DAC towards success and mass adoption. The original idea and vision has never neen revised and most likely are not shared by most of the stakeholders at the moment. The fact that several people are expressing similar opinions at the same time, and major stakeholders undertake immediate and rough actions to change the trend, shows that it is time for major actions to address system issue that we have. I strongly believe this is not a subject for just, minor correction.

I would like to put here a copy of my post in the other thread, I do believe it is totally relevant for this discussion. Sorry for the long read.


Let me express my humble opinion on the current Bitshares status and possible future development, based on my deep understanding of Bitshares as well as common business rules, marketing and analisys of other blockchain ecosystem. I may be missing some parts of the full picture because I'm not involved in some of the core activities and not being part of the governance team, however I believe I express more or less independent opinion and can think out of the box.

In few words, there is no difference between DAC and a typical company (there are some slight ones, but generally those are not game changers), and therefore a DAC MUST follow same rules to win the business and increale its value, namely:
1. Have a clear governance and ownership structure, with effective internal communication and decision making means.
2. Have a clear mission and values adopted by the management. Those to be put as corner stones under the marketing and business strategy.
3. Have a clear marketing and business strategy - what is the business, its short and long term goals, who are the target customers, what is the value proposition, how do we position our company on the market and compete with other companies - etc, etc.
4. Have a clear legal structure and follow the regulation of the operating markets.
5. Have a clear and effective financial managment, to control revenues, costs and investments.
6. Have all resources (financial, human, material) that are required to implement the business plan.
7. Have a clear and effective organizational structure so that company management and emplyees could collaborate effectively and know who is responsible for what.
8. Have a clear communication strategy to integrate the efforts and report on results.

This is the basis and 99% of you know this is a paramount for any successfull business.

SO WHY BITSHARES IS GOING THE OTHER WAY?!
WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK THIS DAC WOULD BE A SUCCESS IF IT DOES NOT FOLLOW BASIC BUSINESS RULES?!

Let's look at the points above in more details.

1. Governance and ownership structure: although this is the backbone of DPOS consensus, it definitely could be better. Generally, we have 4 levels of governance:
- investors (aka BTS holders). Many of those have no idea how Bitshares is governed, to whom they proxy their voting power and don't participate the DAC governance in any way.
- proxys, actually key decision makers in the ecosystem. Most likely do not share any common vision, often acting only in own interest and are not actively supported by investors (e.g. historically have many stakes from referrals or hold a CEX account).
- committee. Although being publicly elected and are in control of key network settings, they have low power when it comes to business decisions, again not sharing same vision and in many cases care more about their own business (although inmany cases aligned with the DAC).
- witnesses, mostly providing technical resources for the network to operate, but sometimes can implement some power, i.e. when it comes to price feeds. Probably the best part of the governance model, working as  it should be.
2. Mission and values adopted by the management. As mentioned before, there are different opinions on that matter, and this is OK. However, the government MUST work out some statements supported by the majority and use those to define the strategy. Othervise the backbone is missing and the body is vulnerable and weak.
3. Marketing and business strategy - again, no consensus on that matter. Many people express their opinions because they have their vision and care but nothing formulated and agreed upon by the majority. Having weak plan is better than having no plan, but we don't have even a weak one. Key questions - what is the value Bithsares brings, is it for individuals or businesses, how do we reach them, what is the message we send.
4. Legal structure - although BBF is a good step, it is definitely not enough. Legal status and regulations applied are not defined. This prevents business from adoption and buy-in and makes Bitshares a very risky investment.
5. Financial managment - there is some form of it, but having every single penny recorded in the ledger, must be more formal and detaled, also support the business strategy. Noone is in charge of the DAC profitability at the moment, many take it as endless gold cart.
6. Financial, human and material resources - most likely present, but most likely not effectively managed and spend with huge overheads. Also with no business plan you never know how the resources must be spent and managed.
7. Organizational structure - there is some form of it and sometimes works well, but definitely could be better.
8. Communication strategy - presents in form of this forum and several TG chats, but maybe cumbersome and ineffective in many cases. Internal and external PR looks weak and ineffective w/o the strategy and proper governance.

With the above being said (although again, I may miss many points or misintepret those), here are some actions I would recommend to re-start the the business at the new level:
1. Put major proxies and investors into public negotiation to define DAC's basis - mission, values and business strategy.
2. Use all means to involve end users and BTS holders so that their support is based on their decision, and is not by default or as void.
3. Make key proxys to publicly announce their position towards DAC's mission and strategy, along with their personal and business information. This is not mandatory for sure, but those who are open and transparent may gain more support.
4. Spend particular resources (via a worker) to develop a straightforward business and marketing plan. Make sure it is based on proper market and competitors evaluation. Ensure support by the majority.
5. Allocate resources to implement the plan, control and elaborate it, report on the progress. Apart from promotion approach and business model this also shall also include efforts for users/clients onboarding and support. 
6. Ensure proper financial control by designated authorized parties, along with timely and clear reporting to the government and the community.
7. Ensure effective resource spending, avoid spare funding overheads. Think ROI.

This is to start from. I trully understand that this approach may be not supported or adopted by the majority of the players (gateways and other businesses on top of Bitshares), many of those are looking for short term benefit and does not care about the ecosystem development. It is most likely not something what most of dev team would appreciate, because this would mean costs cutting for sure. However, all of them could definitely benefit from strong and powerfull Bitshares in the future.

I call to the investors, it is time for you to shout!

Thanks for reading to this point :D

18 months ago when I first joined the committee, I tried to push the committee to take on that role and act in a similar way. We actually planned quite a few things as @xeroc / @abit / @bitcrab and others will confirm. The plan never went ahead because a large number of the "vision" items were covered by new and upcoming workers so we felt that our plan was not needed.

In retrospect it was needed if only for PR purposes to show clearly that all workers were functioning under a common vision/roadmap.

It's tough to explain how much work and discussion took place in the committee at that time with regard to all the points you're making above but perhaps this rough draft of our announcement post for that plan (which in the end remained unpublished until now) will show what we were thinking.

The following was written 18 months ago (so some issues like the domain name one have already been resolved)

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Dear BitShares stakeholders and members of the BitShares community,

As you all know, we are all part of the community supporting one of the best blockchain offerings out there. The technological advantages of BitShares, from transaction speeds and smart-coins to the stability and flexibility offered, are undeniable.

However, although we all find the governance model of BitShares to be ideal, it is not entirely suited to new organizations. When it comes to start-ups, which is essentially what all blockchain projects are during this massive push into the mainstream, strong and capable leadership, as well as people taking responsibility for decision-making, are key for a project to find its path and establish a strong foothold in this expanding space.

The BitShares Workers created and approved so far have done great work over all this time, proving that the funding and approval model works but if you look at them as a whole, it  becomes apparent that the vision and coordination for takings BitShares to the next level is missing. 

What is even more frustrating is that unlike other projects, BitShares does not suffer from a lack of funding. At current BTS valuation and DEX usage with the current workers active, the reserve pool would empty in approximately 60 years. Even with a small appreciation in value, the funds available for the expansion of BitShares would be larger than almost every other blockchain project out there.

With that in mind, and seeing the increasing competition from other projects and companies, we, the BitShares committee have decided to exercise the full mandate bestowed upon us by the stakeholders to make business management decisions as originally stated in the BitShares white paper. We plan to use the expertise of the members comprising the committee in business administration, project management, development, marketing, sales etc. to provide this vision and focus. As is always the case in BitShares, final approval still resides on the hands of the stakeholders.

In the coming days, the BitShares committee will be creating the first of many “Committee-Managed Growth & Innovation Budget” worker proposals for stakeholders’ approval.

Each of these workers will run for 6 months and lay-out a roadmap of key actions and projects to be completed as selected and prioritized by the committee, but always in consideration of the community’s wishes. These actions will cover the entire scope of a business’ expansion strategy, from technological progress and infrastructure hardening to marketing and new-business onboarding as well as everything in between. There will be regular updates as well as quarterly and annual reviews of status, results and work completed.

The purpose of these workers is to provide funds to the committee so that the roadmap items, which the committee considers key for the expansion and growth of BitShares can be completed. This will be achieved by offering bounties, hiring people out-right or even providing extra funds as required to existing workers if an item is part of what is already being worked on.

If at any time, while implementing the roadmap, real-world agreements and contracts must be made, the committee has reached an agreement with the BitShares Blockchain Foundation for them to be the legal entity representing the BitShares blockchain.

Although we already have many items and goals under consideration for the future, the focus of this first worker will be on lowering the barrier of entry for developers and businesses to build on top of BitShares.  To that end, we have already discussed our plan with Ryan R. Fox, who will be coordinating the recently voted-in BitShares Core Development Team, and he is just as excited as us about what the future holds for BitShares.

As part of this initiative and because some of the roadmap items discussed by the committee depend on it, we will also be working with the BitShares Blockchain Foundation to finally find a solution to the website/domain-name issue. The BBF are currently reworking all the texts and documentation according to legal counsel and there is a new website design already produced by a community member waiting. We are only missing a domain name that can represent the community forever, avoiding all conflicts of interest. Once again, regardless of what our suggestion will be, it will still be subject to stakeholder approval. 

We are looking forward to releasing full details of our plan soon along with the Worker Proposal and hope the community embraces it so we can move BitShares forward together.

Thank you,
The BitShares Committee

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 28, 2019, 08:50:32 am »
- UI - too technical for the average user

The BitShares-UI is meant to be technical. It's the *reference* implementation meant to support *ALL* core features, some of which are VERY technical. It creates the blueprint from which gateways can fork and create their own versions easily some of which can be and are more user friendly.

As far as a user-friendlier UI is concerned, that's what the Rossul and community UI workers were for.

(In any case, the UI team is constantly trying to improve usability without sacrificing features)

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 28, 2019, 08:44:21 am »
In light of recent conversations, I would like to draw people's attention to this: (written last year) https://steemit.com/bitshares/@clockwork/bitshares-fees-the-fee-schedule-and-dex-profitability


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中文 (Chinese) / Calling all BitShares-based businesses.
« on: August 28, 2019, 08:03:48 am »
As part of the Decentralized conference partnership (https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=28557.0) we get 4 speaker slots and one keynote address at the conference.

According to the plan described in the worker proposal, the 4 speakers will be BitShares-based businesses.

The 3 so far are OpenLedger, Everprove and BitSpark and I would love for the fourth one to be a cn-based/cn-community one. The entity in question will get flights and accommodation paid for for 2 people  to attend the conference and deliver a 20 min speech, as well as marketing presence in the BitShares booth and conference materials.

More information on the conference here: https://www.decentralized.com/agenda-2019/

Any suggestions welcome.

P.S. Would be great if someone could translate the above to CN below.

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General Discussion / Re: Smratcoin GCNY backed by GDEX.BTC
« on: August 28, 2019, 07:12:19 am »
Awesome!

On the price feed:
You can define a whitelist of accounts providing a feed, then e.g. write a script that merely copies bitCNY/bitbtc feed.. As long as Gdex BTC is not trustless or sufficiently decentralized having gcny as a committee owned bitasset makes no sense and would carry wring notion of trust (i.e. committee should not be made owner, please not that committee can't give it back and would to disable it). Bottom line is some more thought and preparation is necessary beforehand imo, and starting it centralized is most reasonable

you are not member of committee, how can you say that committee would to disable it?

right, GDEX.BTC is UIA, is centralized asset, gdex team guarantee that GDEX.BTC=BTC.

just in order to try to make GCNY more decentralized, I'd like to consider to introduce committee here, committee can play the role of administrator of GCNY. with no other responsibilities.


Stefan is pointing out the fact that the committee cannot transfer ownership back to anyone else so it will be stuck with it for ever (with the only controlling option being to disable it)

FWIW, I too think that an MPA backed by a centralized asset should not be owned/endorsed by the committee.

What happens on the worst case scenario where GDEX gets hacked and all BTC gone? bitGCNY (that will be its name if committee owned) will be backed by worthless collateral. Why should the committee have to deal with the fall out?

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: Proxy: bitshares-vision
« on: August 27, 2019, 02:34:11 pm »
Our current model [developer -> wp -> poll -> developer] failed to deliver and
Could you explain by what metric this approach has failed?
There have been multiple hard forks, dozens of backend releases and countless releases on the frontend.
Additional DEXbot has brought tons of liquidity.
Please tell the community what makes you think your criticism is justified

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the new model [investor -> vision -> mission -> wp -> polls -> developer -> marketing] is needed to gain transaction again.
I'd like to hear more about this.
When will investors come up with a vision? There have been 5 years now and I haven't seen any of them provide that.
How would you come from vision to mission in a decentralized ecosystem like ours. Who decides what should be part of the mission, or do you support multiple missions in parallel?

fwiw , the vision/mission part was something i had suggested the committee did when I first joined it...

it never went ahead because 9/10 items we had discussed as part of the vision showed up as worker proposals by others.

This means that it's more of a case of incompatible visions rather than no visions...

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Greetings Alex, is this still on track? I just submitted a draft of a research paper for the academic track. If it's accepted by the conference, I'll plan to try to travel over there to give a talk on the research as long as my research worker proposal has been funded sufficiently by then to support a long-term project.

If it happens that I don't have sufficient levels of project funding by then but my paper is accepted anyway, will your worker be able to reimburse my travel to Greece for this? If so, the final published version of the paper would still reference BitShares as the source of funds for the work, if that's any concern to you.

Yes still on track.

I'm sure that wont be a problem...So get packing :)

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Am asking that question just on the purpose if its possible that because of lack of liquidity on DEX against major assets some workers are forced to sent their BTS funds to CEX'es to sell it against BTC or USDT to be able to collect the needed fiat or major asset for their worker.

Is it possible that this also creates an unwanted sell pressure against BTS we should have a look at.

I guess chinese workers are collecting bitcny and changing it to CNY via magicwallet.
What about the other workers which can't use this CNY fiat gateway solution ?

Personally I use bitCNY pay to buy BTS on Dex. Stash most of it.

Rare occasion I need to cash some out, I sell for LTC and send to coinbase

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I didn't find andy evidence to prove we have a “Much better feeding”, settled volume can't prove it, as the offset is 2%.

I didn't find any rule of the feed price,the feed price still control by the witness, and i found we didn't have any method to deal with the witness like “verbaltech2” and the GS Protection.


So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

If you don't think we have better feeding then you probably don't remember what was happening due to odd CMC , poloniex etc prices back when the offset was changed to 5%

I heard the same argument about settled volume not proving anything when we went from 5% to 2% as well... But nothing changed.

There are not supposed to be any rules and the price IS supposed to be chosen by the witnesses themselves. Fairness comes from the stakeholders ability to vote/unvote witnesses based on their perceived feeding performance.

anything else is more centralized and completely defeats the purpose of having the witness fed system in place

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So, did we have a stable measure to solve this kind problem?

You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

Much better feeding....We've had wild swings on CEXs that did not affect the feed price like the case used to be which led to manipulation and abuse of the settlement mechanism.

A good proof of that is the fact that only 170 000 bitCNY has been settled over the last 6 months....That's a grand total of less than 25k USD over SIX months.

If you think this makes any real difference in the market, you're looking at the wrong place.

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You have support the: https://cryptofresh.com/p/1.10.38714

Give the reason!!!

I never agreed with raising the settlement offset in the first place and always thought all bitAssets should have the same one.

5% was supposed to only be a temporary measure in the first place.

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First of all, thanks to everyone who is supporting this worker.

After further research and examining options, the worker account is being handed over to the BBF for escrow, bureaucratical and financial reasons. If the organisers invoice the BBF directly, the invoice will be VAT exempt, saving us approx. 23k USD in the process despite the additional 5% escrow fee.

Further details will be made available soon.

The worker funding is moving along nicely however and the down-payment for the partnership will be made in the next few days.

Announcements imminent!

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General Discussion / Re: Price Feed Review
« on: June 30, 2019, 07:55:19 am »
Mentioned this before. PLEASE DONT USE COINEGG feeds

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Yay! Thanks for your vote of confidence and guidance.  8)

Completely agree on marketing budget, will think on that now.

As for profits, I think we should return this back to the community since we would be front-loading the expenses for ourselves internally as well as paying EVOLV for their services out of the BitShares coffers. Frankly the videos of sessions **could** be an ongoing possible income stream (for BitShares) that the general (non-BitShares public) might be interested in purchasing after the fact.

We did a poll in Telegram which indicated people seemed to like Vegas as a venue for it and the 27-28th timeslot:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ez-mK-oWSQ3WMb7xymatjL3zgH8LGYC6/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-VMYZ9N6Vl39X69T7w7Wswu8HEXuhLxE/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-UrokeT_QS8Xve0Y9c8punu-Gjp8StLi/view?usp=sharing

Happy to run some additional ones if you think that would help. Any questions in particular we should ask?

Voted

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