abit was paid to audit it, if you don't see the problem that he put inappropriate code that fully changes consensus, I can't help you. For me personally abit and a core manager are criminals and must be blacklisted from the core forever.

When i hire a team to develop something, i still will hire a supervisor to check and oversee all the thing to make sure everything is right，not the PM to check and oversee all the thing, this is the basic engineering directive.

And i don't think these "changes consensus" is wrong, we didn't have the consensus long time ago, when we used the leveraged collateral to vote,  When we locked feed prices for such a long time, when we can spent the money from the committee-account without the permission of vote, the consensus already gone, just many of us didn't realize it on that time, we all become the trojan already from that moment.

There already didn't have the core fro bts from 2019.

I follow the things which were helpful than harmful, which can benifit the community, i don't follow any person or group.

it will happen in both ways if it  abit/beos control or cn vote control, just one way without trojan and another one with it.

Yes, it will happen, but i chose the "trojan" not chose the cn-vote, as long time ago i'm a trojan already, and i knew who is more worse.

There have chance and hope in this "trojan", and i can't see any chance and hope in the cn-vote chain, the problem of DPOS is more serious than what we see, not only the vote system but also the system of witness, anyone wants to make a reasonable changes, i will support it, even i'm insignificant. DPOS didn't exist the "consensus"，only “delegated”.

Quote from: binggo on August 14, 2020, 12:04:38 pm

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There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so，this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore，the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report

BEOS did clearly inside deals nobody can deny.Or do you belive 2 witnesses from BEOS receive at the same time support when
two chinese reiceives from beos ?

4 new committee members in single hour.
BEOS supporting cn-vote members and cn-vote supporting BEOS members.

I did some digging about that voting and you can basicly say majority of cn-vote members don't know why they support liondani and evangelist who haven't been active a single time in 1 1/2 years.

Who did the inside deals i can only guess from past experience of proposals i received which i always rejected.
What is very clear is that BEOS has a very good relationship with Jademont and DL

DL is now the new director of BEOS.


If you blame CN-Vote for supporting the shitty workers or blocking then i need to tell you without the help of BEOS they would not be able to do so.
Restoring bitcny price feed was rejected from BEOS with the argumentation people can get hurt (bitcrab didn't wanted it at that time)
Today they attack cn-vote for blocking to restore pegg and claim to instantly restore pegg.
Now they have no more issue of people getting hurt when average CR got very lower ?


I know CN-Vote and i know BEOS.

BEOS is far worse than CN-Vote and together with Abit and DL it is a total mess.
Centralization and dictorship pure.


Most people agree on that.

It's easier to find consent with cn-vote than being under BEOS.


Also the attack of Abit and DL fudding that CN-Vote is forking and should leave bitshares is something i can't accept at all.
Today its cn-vote because you don't like their voting and tomorrow its me because they don't like my voice.

Abit already muted all critical foreigners using his bot which he refuses to disable even when asked from all other admins.

Another question is who is causing the big corruption on bitshares?
Is it cn-vote ?IMO and many others its not cn-vote but Abit/Bitcrab/Jademont and BEOS.
Each other supporting themself makes such a corruption we have in committee first possible.
I'm 4 years now in bitshares and never saw such a big corruption we got today.And its mainly caused by these people and that won't change just because you switch vp from cn-vote to beos which is already supporting that corruption.

Abit and Bitcrab are trying to switch vp because they lost their influence in cn-vote who got tired of their permanent ignorance.

I talked a lot with CN-Vote and they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .
Tell me who opened a BAIP instead of normal worker ?
Who refuses to execute community will?
Who changes rules for its own favour like gdex ?


So claiming that the new voting system is needed to change when the most corrupt people stay is just a simple lie.
Changing power from bad voters to corruption supporters is no solution at all.

DON'T SAY YOU KNOW CN-VOTE AND KNOW WHAT CN-VOTE IS AGAIN, even BEOS, I'm a chinese，i'm one member of CN-VOTE before, i'm clearly know what the CN-VOTE is, and what CN-VOTE did, i know most of them is who, you say you know more about CN-VOTE,  that puts me to shame.

All the things you said i know more clearly than you, and you should know why, i even didn't need to do any research.

they expresses me their bad feelings that Abit is not listeing to their opinions but basicly acts based on his own personal opinion (or bitcrab) .

What they expressesd is nothing, if they really feel bad, then what they shoud do? and why abit/bitcrab should listen to their opinions?

Two deveils, i chose the one who really hold the bts, not the debtor.
I would rather see BTS died in the hand of real bts holders not want to see BTS died in the hand of a group of debtor.
You have chosen your position, i chose mine.

Otherwise, as a normal trader, i choose anyone which i can get profit, why i should care about the future of BTS?

Otherwise, as a normal trader from 2017, BTS needs to change, not only the voting system but also the witness system, who wants to do these changes, i support who, about bitasset, i just want to say no one in the community of BTS can make it better,  cognitive problems.

There are more good old longterm witnesses who provided first class infra who have been replaced by bitcrab/abit and beos to add witnesses who provide a simple VPS only and don't even participate in bitshares at all.

I don't think so，this is not the fault of bitcrab/abit and beos, after CN-VOTE created, the big Proxy is not bitcrab/abit anymore，the big Proxy is CN-VOTE, even beos still support the most number witness, face the date and the true.

https://bts.ai/voting_report

Quote from: binggo on August 14, 2020, 07:20:46 am

Quote from: twitter on August 14, 2020, 06:12:53 am

abit欺骗社区，强取豪夺，破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法？我关心的是程序正义，社区声誉，共识尊严，严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别，你这个“我们bts社区”搞得我们很慌，我们都摸不清自己处在哪个位置。

abit欺骗社区，强取豪夺，破坏dpos共识。这个论断是公平的吧

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别，那是你的共识，你的公平

Quote from: binggo on August 14, 2020, 07:37:41 am

Quote from: xixi002020 on August 14, 2020, 06:00:54 am

韭菜一脸懵逼，不是说打补丁么？ 怎么又变硬分叉了？怎么分？谁主导？交易所也没人去勾兑？

其实吧，我感觉所有见证人都应该额外安装一个patch补丁，以便于平滑安全分叉，大家低头不见抬头见的，即使分了家，最后讲来将去还是一个锅里捞饭吃，现在帮助一下，日后也好相见嘛。

至于去哪个家里安家，韭菜们可以自己选嘛

而且公会能够做出这个patch，感觉还是有人才，代码能力也挺强，说不定会发展得更好。

关键是就一个三流AEX公告说支持，  ZB 币安  火币 都没说， 分出来有人玩？自娱自乐啊！

AEX也算是大所嘛，发展得好，其它交易所也可能会考虑得。

abit欺骗社区，强取豪夺，破坏共识
现在我们讨论的问题是我们bts社区是否赞同abit藐视dpos共识的做法？我关心的是程序正义，社区声誉，共识尊严，严惩恶行。

通过我的 V1813A 上的 Tapatalk发言

别，你这个“我们bts社区”搞得我们很慌，我们都摸不清自己处在哪个位置。

像公会这些萌新怎么可能知道这些故事呢，毕竟人家现在是某eos与公会的桥梁与灵魂人物，何况公会也不会在乎这些事情的。

妙啊，妙啊！

有些人到现在还不搞搞清楚？ 这是路线问题？这是个对错问题！！错了就万劫不复，以后再也没有资金敢来比特股，随随便便就能被一个技术员搞定规则…
且问 ，不经审判就可以枪决，谁给abit私自加代码的权力？社区要树立起这样的规矩？比特股这样蛮干的搞法能持续多久？一个根基不稳，天天搞“政变”的项目还有几个牛市可供挥霍？还能发展稳定币、去中心化交易所？别做梦了

公会打个补丁没维护好治理共识？没遵守社区约定？恰恰相反，正是公会勉力维护社区的治理正义，只要不是睁眼瞎的与装睡的，摸着良心都能感受到！比特股不能被一个核心开发者绑架，以前不会，现在不会，将来也不会，这将带给投资者多少长远的信心？

再谈谈abit私加的票权改进机制，这种演进还是停留在BTS母币的票权上转圈圈，谁在意过持有比特股生态的bitAsset的权益以及“票权”？幸存者偏见下，abit显然没看到这个生态群体的投票权益，淡忘意味着生态断环，可取？当然，bitAsset属于抵押出的智能货币，执行锁仓给票权较为合理，适合未来的金融组织囤积bitAsset，参与社区治理，这在币圈够不够创新？引导比特股金融朝DEFI方向前向有没有问题？

另外提一句：巨蟹先生作为一个比特股早期的布道者与砥砺发展引导者，本人是十分敬重的，但这次abit私加代码的恶劣事件，巨蟹居然毫不在意，甚至还有点喜不自禁的表态（即比特股社区持久以来形成的共识被破坏的严重事实），本人表示极度失望与愤懑，这与犯人不经审判即可执行枪决有啥两样？？ 一个没底线的组织或项目能有光明的未来？？任何入资资金一旦评估BTS，发现比特股竟是如此毫无规矩底线治理模式的区块链项目，还敢于入场投资？更别扯进来搞战略投资了 ！！您可以选择束手无策，但别选赞同作恶 。

不用说的这么义正言辞，高大上。

对与错，资金自己有自己的判断与评估，而不是靠你的臆想判断，但是资金肯定不会去投资一个抵押票权可以无限膨胀的链。

不要把所谓公会的共识往社区共识头上套, 另外不清楚你们内部共识达成一致了吗？

见证人有自己的判断能力，而不是被一个虚假票权票仓威胁。

另外，别提良心，你们一提良心，良心就会痛，在DPOS上玩公开贿选公会是头一号，只不过没有eos出名罢了，看来似乎每个人的底线都不一样……

再者，别谈bitAsset的权益以及“票权”，bitAsset的权益的公会似乎从来没有考虑过，bitAsset“票权”，我拿着毛爷爷是不是可以去管理一下中石油呢？！

我看公会也只不过是，想要保留锁仓，而不想去除抵押票权罢了，让锁仓的给抵押减少流动性，然后抵押票权还能膨胀的比锁仓票权还要高，一个原地杠杆就能轻松2倍抵押票权，然后在势头不对得时候还能快速跑路，把风险转嫁给锁仓者，你们的算盘打的挺好嘛……

分链也挺好的，到时候也可以验证一下。