Quote from: ymtt on August 12, 2018, 08:19:49 am

Quote from: Thul3 on August 12, 2018, 08:00:20 am

Quote from: hzbtstalker001 on August 12, 2018, 07:42:10 am

we support the suggestion of bitcrab. just do it!

Don't talk for all.Majority doesnt support it

Don't talk for all.Majority support it

We are well aware that you are a puppet from bitcrab and everyone supporting this shit was part of crashing the commitee accounts which needs now to be bailed out with community funds.

ebit,jademont,bitcrab and these people are trying now to get us the "highest one" model.....

Somebody claimed because it's based on highest volume.Lets do it based on highest volume but i highly doubt bitcrab would accept it since it would mean we would accept mainly the price of DEX.Since DEX is always under feed price in a bear market what sence would it make to lower the feed price and cause the next margin call wave.....
So the smart bitcrab is going to take only the feed price from DEX when it is supposed to help him to stop his margin calls.
So when is DEX price in a bear market going to be higher than the current price feed ?
Answer.......only when he puts a big buy wall again like last time.And taking that high unnatural price as feed price will make that the buy wall won't be eaten so quickly even the rest of the market is going massivly down.

Its a clear feature to strenght his manipulation attempt which majority doesn't accept as it has nothing to do with attacks or anything which bitcrab himself confirmed its not so easy anymore and he put that request instantly after his buy wall got eaten because his low margin ratio have been called as external exchanges had a lower price as the price on DEX which were manipulated by his 5 million BTS wall.


Just clearly say the purpose of that change is to strengthen the buy walls so they can't get crushed anymore even the price doesn't represent the value buyers are willing to pay.Creating a centralised controlled price which has nothing to do anymore with free market.

If you argument that DEX has the highest volume then also accept the lower price of DEX as price feed since based on your argument its also the most representiv as it has the highest volume.
Don't pick only the timeframes out which are in your personal favour to manipulate

Thul3， please don't like a dog shouting everywhere and everybody!!!
             just shut up!!!

公市基金能不能交给机器人来操作..........

不行,安全性问题.

现在看来，公市基金应该更多地通过在市场做多情绪明显时出货来积累弹药，减少抵押来产生弹药的比例。

毕竟对公市基金来说BTS是源源不断流入的，而bitCNY/bitUSD却很宝贵。而抵押又是把双刃剑。

复盘这段时间，应该在1.4左右就开始逐步少量出货。

我倒还是建议对爆仓单收取一定的手续费来补充公市基金，并大力建议将爆仓惩罚降低至105%（先将BITCNY区降，毕竟BITCNY流量深度最好），target_CR机制生效后，覆盖率已经不是很重要的问题，而且通过此举能够降低连续爆仓对内盘价格冲击的力度。

必须降低并取消掉以BTC换算的喂价比例, 即使相对于BTC定价的价格不变, 只要BTC的价格一有变动, BTS的换算价格就会被带下去, 喂价也会被大量以BTC为喂价换算的带下去, 本身从BTC换算到BITCNY的过程中就存在诸多变动参数, 并不能准确的反应实际法币价格, 绝大数情况是大幅低于实际法币价格.

必须增加以直接以鼓鼓钱包+手续费\QC\CNC\\USDT等实际法币代币的喂价权重, 极大程度的降低甚至于取消以BTC换算的喂价权重, 将锚定资产的喂价从BTC定价的枷锁中脱离出来.

喂价应当以实际的法币或者法币代币为准绳, 而不是以另外一种自身价格极不稳定的BTC或ETH或其它代币为准绳, 锚定资产脱离掉它们的定价限制才能独立发展, 而不能成为它们的牵线木偶.

Quote from: lochaling on August 10, 2018, 03:50:21 pm

去年的帖子，发上来让大家看看，其实见证人的权力是很大的。


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不能自由充提的交易所价格应该剔除喂价
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=25649.msg316094#msg316094

若bts不能自由充提，见证人应该将该交易所价格剔除出喂价，这一条非常重要。

如果bts不能自由充提，交易所就可以操纵交易所内的bts价格。

既然价格不可信，系统就不应当采用其价格作为喂价参考。

如果采用，交易所就可以恶意压低bts价格，引导内盘爆仓，达到获利的目的。

是的，这个提议很好，如果没有记错，去年P网关闭充提的那段时间有些见证人的确剔除了P网的价格数据

这也是巨蟹的努力下见证人才剔除了P网的价格数据，其中时间差足足有一个半月。

你说什么就是什么了🐶

爆仓可以啊，没有不允许爆仓啊？我反对过爆仓吗？没有啊，我也强烈不赞成贴线抵押，我只是不同意现在的喂价方式而已，修正一下往更好的方向发展又有何不可?

内盘的规则生来就不是完美的，牛市没有凸显的弊端，熊市中比比皆是，一个个的完善修正又有何不可？

买卖本身就是投机，货币诞生的目的就是为了此服务的，都是一个属性，这有何本末倒置的问题？BITCNY不用来投机，还谈什么基础量与流通量？都正大光明的站在道德高地？系统设置的规则自然会对相应的行为作为纠正，但不是在畸形的规则之下，这个又有何好辩驳的？！

谁又说要跟趋势作对了？趋势难道就真的是趋势，熊市之中就不允许有闪光？难道逆境之中就不应该努力做一些事情，而是顺其自然？难道修正完善一下规则也是逆势而为？而且你根本没有回答如何预防交易所控制喂价的问题？

慢慢发展就好啊，但是也要完善规则啊，光耐心等待而没有努力做事的人还谈何发展？

抵押出的BITCNY在支撑整个BITCNY区的交易量，投机属性存在于任何事物，抵押出的bitcny不卖出去，都拿在手里，那抵押出的BITCNY还有什么意义? 还谈什么流通？卖的方式难道也有原罪？ 也不允许？

而你已经扭曲了问题的本质，贴线抵押的多头自然会成为空头的猎物，这是不假，但是请清楚现在贴线抵押的多头基本都是原本抵押率在3的多头，惩罚一直存在，但不是以外盘恶意操控喂价的情况。

另外: 你如何判断出熊市真正通过BITCNY进场的人不多？做过统计？难道bitcny不能用来避险？货币的属性之一难道不是投机？

请你回答  喂价如何避免被外盘操控的问题？如果几个大交易所全部禁止BTS充提？如何来避免这种情况？

另外：我不清楚采用比较法到底碰到了谁的痛处？ 内盘价格+手续费的喂价高，外盘空头自然可以来内盘砸价格，怎么？难道不愿意来？就只允许内盘的多头去给外盘的空头接盘子？