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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Announcement]BAIP6 Approved and will be Implemented
« on: June 29, 2020, 01:59:22 am »
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hongcaibao111
spring-team
bitbts2020
anbi


Ugly and Disgusting, cheat the vote and threshold, it's the shame of community！！！

Make a private meeting；

Remove the proxy;

Lower the BAIP threshold;

Make BAIP actived;

Reset the the proxy back;

So smart, nobody will find out, that's perfect operation!

开个碰头小会；

从CN-VOTE移除代理；

降低投票阈值；

支持BAIP激活；

重新设置回代理CN-VOTE.

真是聪明的操作，票数变动常人难以察觉也无法追钟，可以说是天衣无缝，犀利犀利，佩服佩服！

最开始我以为只有一人做了这样的操作，没想到居然这么多人，魔鬼般的操作，还有两位理事参与其中，这对bts社区来说，真的是可喜可贺。













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General Discussion / Re: NEW BSIP: Redefine and clear the scope of Committee
« on: June 28, 2020, 01:21:51 pm »
Quote from: bitcrab on June 28, 2020, 04:40:34 am
Quote from: abit on June 17, 2020, 10:04:29 am
The on-chain governance structure (written in code) is as simple as that, if a voter disagrees with a decision that a committee member made, the voter doesn't vote for the committee member and/or votes for other committee members.

Other rules are all not written in code.

If to make a BSIP to change rules, please focus on the in-code part but not the non-code part.

correct, in public chain code is law, if anyone are not satisfied with the code, please suggest BSIP to do code improvement.


If the committees use defect code to cheat the community and steal the power from the community, then things will become very interesting.

Ok, maybe some committees like the feeling of grabbing power, didn't want to correct the defect code.

You should see，this is a BSIP.

If a chain's parameters can easily be changed by 11 people, then it is centralization not decentralization, this is the most ridiculous part of DPOS, a 623,602,107(383,809,064)/2,750,586,155 vote can easily control the chain, this is the decentralization belong to you?

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Committee Member] - proposal of "btsai" to join the bitshares committee/理事会申请
« on: June 26, 2020, 11:14:11 pm »
As jademont is one member of CN-VOTE.

Please explain if  “btsai”  is one member of CN-VOTE?

If "btsai" is one member of CN-VOTE too, so we have four COMMITTEES come from CN-VOTE.

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General Discussion / Re: 号召通过捐赠的方式组织支付推广费用 Call for donation to cover marketing cost
« on: June 24, 2020, 01:03:17 pm »
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有人自愿捐钱，免费宣传BTS，你还不满意，屁话怎么这么多。

我就是不满意额，你有问题？

看你们几个呆在小群里都臆想的嗨的不行麽，事事打着中国社区的名义，败坏中国社区的名声，一个cn-vote就成中国社区了？一个beos就成国外社区了？你们的代表力可以的。

嘴脏就少说话，一个人根子里有没有痞性，在语言上很容易就会表现出来。

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Actually the donation was only in CN community and didn't expect any participation from outside of CN community

既然你们仅仅是所谓的“cn-vote”，又不希望cn-vote以外的，何必多此一举呢，直接6个国内理事直接瓜分理事会资产做资助好了，没人会质疑你们的，都是你们的，别犹豫。


贴出来又怕被人说，直接封帖子禁止回复不就行了，找刺激吗？！


实在是没有cn-vote的一些人脸厚，贴着锁定的喂价梭梭梭，还大谈特谈去中心化精神，还大谈公平正义，额，真的是脸皮不过关。

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General Discussion / Re: 号召通过捐赠的方式组织支付推广费用 Call for donation to cover marketing cost
« on: June 24, 2020, 12:36:02 am »
Quote from: R on June 23, 2020, 07:53:56 pm
Reject. The system has been corrupted by scammers, why advertise in the current corrupted state? How will you overcome your scams when marketing?

+5%

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目前迎来了产品层面最好的阶段

en, 的确挺好的，锚定资产嗝屁，大网关离场、常年几无新增用户、链上空块率高的吓人，开发人员不足，社区离心分裂，见证人后备无人，理事会、票仓相互勾结，开发前景不明，的确是最好的阶段。

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BTS的增值也就可以通过自我造血，而不是外部炒作资金的注入。

en， 似乎花钱的花样也不少吧

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未来可能流向市场的BTS减少了2.5亿，迎合了市场上普遍流行的产量减半预期。

en，可能，这2.5亿已经在市场上流通了，还减半，知道“减与半”是啥意思吗？

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体验不逊于中心化交易所，完全可以支撑起大规模用户使用。

你们怕是没有用过中心化交易所的app，何况bts是去中心化交易所吗？！

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Bartner, HTLC,投票，预测市场，隐私转账等等BTS自带的亮点功能，值得系统的向市场用户推广。

这些功能除了开发与设计者会用，整个公会怕是找不出几个会用的，何况一些都未实现与半残形态，市场游动的是鲨鱼，功能要是亮眼，还用花钱吆喝？！

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中国社区发起的市场推广提案一直没有获得有效票数的批准，主要是国外社区的不支持。

别动不动就中国社区中国社区的，你们是CN-VOTE，你们只能代表你们，也别喊着“主要是国外社区支持不支持的”去转移矛盾点。

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我们号召大家为了自己的投资考虑

离你们越远越好，这才是真正为了自己的投资考虑。

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让我们重回2013，那个比特股社区的去中心化精神闪耀的年代！

当bitusd区无数cn-vote票仓厚着脸皮在那里贴着线抵押的时候，你们也谈去中心化精神？整个治理都在漠视一切规则的情况下，你们也谈去中心化精神？你们先把什么是去中心化捋清楚了再说吧。



贪是本质，其它都是扯。

一套套的传销保险话语何必呢？！流行词汇：都老营销了。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: BTS早晚会烂在国人手中
« on: June 23, 2020, 08:09:56 am »
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For example,  technically the 6 committee members from China can divide/share the 5M+ BTS in committee-account to their own pockets, but I believe more than 99% of the BTS holders agree this is evil and it will not happen.

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Someone said this proposal need to be treated as worker proposal, why? why we need worker proposal when there is no necessity to automatically draw funds from the reserve pool?

If this proposal is doing evil or unacceptable, why only 140M voting power is against it?

If committee get enough support to make this things done? why we need to make things more difficult?


当你能脸不红心不跳的说着这样的话来时，就已经代表BTS的DPOS的治理机制已经煞笔化，烂到底了，不清楚为什么已经煞笔化？下意识里就有集权与独断思想的人是永远不会明白的。

分就行啊，上一次MM又不是没有干过，不用99% BTS holders.

投票最大值9亿票，提案4亿8千万，一个阈值连2/3的有效率都达不到，你们可会玩呢。

哦，你说反对提案没人投，这个就更有意思了，似乎cn-vote跟beos是穿一条裤子的吧，三个合计6亿多票仓在那里摆着，既然大票仓、大股东也想薅，那就薅啊，谁没事投反对提案干什么，闲的蛋疼吗？反正大股东也不care程序的合理性，也不care控制权的丢失。

花钱的提案不从资金池里走，从理事会账户里直接走账，这跟现金不过出纳直接从会计手里走有什么分别？按你的说法，要出纳这么麻烦干什么？要个资金池干什么，直接烧干净了不好，不香吗？

真是罪孽, 每次都感觉被降智。

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [POLL]BAIP8 : Reduce price threshold by 30% for bitcny
« on: June 23, 2020, 08:08:42 am »
@Thul3

I sincere advice you didn't need to make great efforts to fight for BTS again and again, you can return you vote to alt， let cn-vote/beos/alt/bitcrab/abit decide the future of BTS and what they want BTS to become，they can spend the money as they like，they can do whatever as they want to do.

The BTS already lost its spirit long time ago, fighting for it is a waste of time.

Sincere advice, it's not worth it!

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [POLL]BAIP8 : Reduce price threshold by 30% for bitcny
« on: June 22, 2020, 12:50:02 pm »
Quote from: optionswallet on June 22, 2020, 12:37:21 pm

Now you accept a decline feed to 0.154. After a while, CEX will draw prices even lower and you will accept another reduction in the bitCNY feed. And then, by the same logic, one more and one more. This dependence on fictitious CEX prices leads to dependence on the CEX.


I am going to spend my time and write to each account that has a margin position in bitCNY, vote for raising the BAIP threshold, and set as proxy the account that votes against this initiative to reduce the bitCNY feed. I do not want to watch how CEX takes my money by killing bitshares as its direct competitor.

How about raising the BAIP threshold to 10.0 bitcny/bts？if you make this proposal，i will support you to raise the BAIP threshold to 10.0 bitcny/bts！That's a very exciting thing!

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [POLL]BAIP8 : Reduce price threshold by 30% for bitcny
« on: June 22, 2020, 07:18:24 am »
Quote from: fractalnode on June 22, 2020, 05:58:55 am
Quote from: binggo on June 21, 2020, 11:31:21 pm
Quote from: fractalnode on June 21, 2020, 07:30:48 pm
At the same time, I propose to increase Force Settlement Delay to 48 hours. The risk of changing prices during this period may somewhat stop the tendency to use this feature frequently and get people to buy straight from the market.

Increase force-settlement offset to 5% or more higher is the suitable way, increase Force Settlement Delay to 48 hours can't change anything, there have some trading skills in Force Settlement, offset is the main factor, time is not so important.

we already had force-settlement offset at 5% level, don't you remember?
the result was that the bitCNY price fell by 5% and nothing more.
increasing the delay from 24h to 48h increases the risk. It may just be more profitable to buy at the current market price.
And if there is not enough BTS in DEX, you can always buy some from CEX
Only force settlement that exists in the world is in Steem / Hive and lasts 3.5 days. Experience teaches that maybe 24h is not enough.

There didn't have any big problems in the force settlement at 5%, the price of bitcny didn't fall to 5% in the real feed price, the market also can't maintain so high discount, this is the truth in the past time, and didn't get negative feedback from the market and traders.

The higher offset will cause higher discount can't hold up, as the makerdao didn't have the force settlement, the most of stablecoins didn't have it, ok, only bts and stemmit have it，but seems they all failed...

If the settlement price is not suitable, i can settlement myself, so time is not so important,  2% offset? i can accept this loss.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [POLL]BAIP8 : Reduce price threshold by 30% for bitcny
« on: June 22, 2020, 03:20:15 am »
Quote from: bitcrab on June 22, 2020, 02:52:27 am
do not support this, it will hurt a big group one more time.
to optimize the system, firstly need to find a chance to lower the USD threshold to be equal to that of CNY.

hurt who？show your data！

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [POLL]BAIP8 : Reduce price threshold by 30% for bitcny
« on: June 21, 2020, 11:31:21 pm »
Quote from: fractalnode on June 21, 2020, 07:30:48 pm
At the same time, I propose to increase Force Settlement Delay to 48 hours. The risk of changing prices during this period may somewhat stop the tendency to use this feature frequently and get people to buy straight from the market.

Increase force-settlement offset to 5% or more higher is the suitable way, increase Force Settlement Delay to 48 hours can't change anything, there have some trading skills in Force Settlement, offset is the main factor, time is not so important.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [POLL]BAIP8 : Reduce price threshold by 30% for bitcny
« on: June 20, 2020, 07:46:24 am »
Quote from: btstodamoon on June 20, 2020, 04:09:08 am
一个愿意思考的老外，但是中国社区不会同意的，除了我。

CN-VOTE不能代表中国社区，中国社区的名声不能让他们毁了。

But why still retain the threshold，not to remove it thoroughly? even BAIP2 is not so good, but with it any price threshold can't hold up.

and i think BAIP/BSIP threshold(as they didn't get the approve) is not suitable, we can use WPS vote system(get fully day pay) as temporary passing criteria.


这个投票阈值有问题，因为这个投票阈值设计就没有经过BTS持有人投票通过过……极易被操控。
所以前期所有的BAIP/BSIP投票都应当重新审视，而且需要重新设计一套阈值机制来保证投票系统不被作弊操控与保证最低投票率。

而且现在喂价已经从见证人身上剥离了，迄今为止没有落地方案，都在靠爱发电，理事会很容易就可以操控喂价机制。

总而言之的话:

1.不采用现在的BAIP/BSIP阈值设计(因为它们没有投票生效过)，临时采用WPS足额工资制作为通过标准;

2.喂价回归见证人; 这个是后话了。喂价剥离也没有经过bts持有人投票同意。


1.I suggest don't use BAIP/BSIP threshold(as they didn't get the approve), we can use WPS vote system(get fully day pay) as temporary passing criteria.

2.Restore the feed price to Wittness after this vote.



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General Discussion / Re: Just thinking about honest.asset and options
« on: June 19, 2020, 11:57:48 pm »
A insurance, very interesting.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: blocktrades 转账到 binance-bts-1数据统计
« on: June 19, 2020, 01:11:46 am »
quonael-lievesley 4086728.32160 BTS
   
abinia-rivard 6550000.00000 BTS+交易所240多万bts

似乎全已出清。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: BTS早晚会烂在国人手中
« on: June 18, 2020, 06:30:10 am »
Quote from: btstodamoon on June 17, 2020, 01:20:40 pm
1、就是再来十个巨蟹，bts也不会烂在中国人手里
2、如果bts真的会因为巨蟹或是中国人烂了，那还是早点烂好了

1.十个巨蟹？现在基本快凑齐了；

2.早烂早好，烂不烂，看空块率。

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