Quote from: binggo on February 11, 2020, 07:32:07 pm

Quote from: abit on February 11, 2020, 03:02:54 pm

锁仓会导致实际流通量降低，刺激币价涨，再简单不过了。

这是很严肃的问题。

我相信大部分持币人是希望系统稳步发展、追求长期利益的，锁仓投票规则正好满足这个诉求。

担心大户控票的，现在不锁仓大户一样控票，现在规则散户扛得住大户，锁了就没信心扛住大户了？

让大户控住票也不见得是坏事，会减少今天投票同意要做点什么、明天就投下去这样的事。

这里只有一个大户，无他。

所以没有意义。

有意义。因为他现在不锁仓，而是来回收割。

这不你已经晓得锁仓没啥子用。不锁仓两鸟在手，锁仓半鸟也无。

BM搞这种是因为B1卖EOS已经获得了足够多的现金流，剩下的EOS锁不锁的无所谓，对B1来说这些EOS归零也不疼不痒的, 用一些毫无紧要的EOS去锁个仓不仅能忽悠一些脑袋比较糨糊的也锁仓，还能掌控绝对票权，何乐而不为，到时候B1锁仓解锁之时便是放弃EOS砸盘之时，BM自始至终惯用的套路与手段。

Quote from: binggo on February 11, 2020, 08:02:43 am

Quote from: alt on February 11, 2020, 07:19:51 am

But how can you prove it's famous and there are much more users?
I saw very few reply in their weibo account, seems not worth 600K BTS.

That's very simple, most of CEX users(especially china) know MXC, but less know BTS DEX, only the old traders know BTS DEX. MXC=17年jubi8.com/yunbi.com大赌场.

Maybe worth 600K BTS or not.

说白了，那里有新韭菜。而很多新韭菜都不知道 BTS 。所以这种宣传是有一定价值的。

话糙理不糙，就是这个理，上不上不不是主要目的，这波宣传与活动是主要目的，当然主要看这波宣传的价值值不值。

抹茶确切说是去年小牛市冒出来头来的交易所, 以上币切合热点敢拉盘而闻名, 从而得以快速发展扩张.

You can't get listed on coinbase or kraken for BTS, because they are not interested in getting paid for listing. They have a legit business, not like this scam.

As some of you said, BTS shouldn't list any CEX except coinbase or kraken, the CEX which list BTS now all have fake volume. and why you so sure coinbase or kraken are not interested in getting paid for listing? how prove it?

This is just a form of rapping the reserve pool to benefit a few insiders. Important BSIPs for development are blocked or ignored.

Who, can you point out clearly?

Rapping the reserve pool? as i said before, burn the reserve pool, no one can rapping the reserve pool anymore.

BTS has six years old, not a baby, its annual revenue should cover its annual expenditure, the reserve pool just like crutches, make bts can't walk normal with two legs.

Everybody thinks their BSIPs were important, just vote can decide.

even nobody knows who is the boss of MXC, where is the office

This is not important thing.

Mt.Gox have the boss and the office.

QuadrigaCX have the boss and the office too.

So...

HUOBI,OKEX,Binance didn't have offce.
Gate didn't have office, even you know its boss, can you believe it?
CoinEgg didn't have the office, even didn't know who is its boss.
ZB didn't have office, 徐子敬 is one of its boss, can you believe it?
Poloniex have the office，孙宇晨 is its boss, can you believe it?

So?

As i said this is just another form of marketing, list or not list in MXC is not important. As the famous and users of MXC is much more than BTS, we did the Market making in BTS DEX, just grow a little users.


Besides, i didn't care about the list of MXC.

Because the liquidity and real executed trades there are less users than on DEX.
Secondly 300k of BTS is being distributed to fake volume
Third we promote with that money a CEX and not DEX even we have so many demand for these funds for the DEX.

What real volume do you belive BTS will have on MXC after the promotion which would justify a $20k investment ?

A Cost Use Bill


Workers have been closed on bitshares with the argument they are ineffective.
I doubt this one will be more effective

After the promotion, the real volume of BTS in the MXC is not important, we just use the MXC to let the BTS have more exposure and more people know bts in this promotion, if other CEX or platform have the ability, i think we should welcome.

Otherwise, the users of MXC are more than DEX, we didn't have much users now, it is very reality and cruel.

Quote from: 葫芦娃 on February 09, 2020, 11:44:24 am

Quote from: binggo on February 09, 2020, 06:52:46 am

Quote from: CTS on February 09, 2020, 06:32:18 am

兄弟，还在锲而不舍啊。他们听不懂，说了也没用。

能救多少算多少。

兄弟放弃把.让他们玩,到最后把抵押都清完了没人抵押了.bitcny没供应量了.他们就能心满意足的完成他们的锚定计划了.

拉盘解决一切问题。

行，你们继续靠拉盘掩盖问题，继续釜鱼幕燕，火架上了还感觉很暖和。

既然拉盘解决一切问题，那还改进了毛哪？躺着等拉盘就好了，一分钱还不用花，多好。

如果不追求锚定，那根本就没必要搞什么智能货币。

强清是需要的。

有些人在抨击喂价锁定，然而如果不锁定，也许抵押者早就爆得一塌糊涂了。

被强清也没有坏到极点，无息贷款，一直不还，抵押率还排在低端，还不让强清，咋啥好处都得给你占呢？

何况强清还有那么多限制，延时，限额，补偿，强清并非稳赚不赔的买卖。

USD那里就可以看到，大家在争被强清的机会，我几个账号已经抢着被强清完了。

现在这点问题是价格穿越0.22的时候出现的，价格稳定住以后会逐步消失。

现在可以考虑的有两个方面的措施。

一是bitCNY/USDT的做市，如果能把深度做起来，就可以帮助bitCNY锚定，也会极大缓解强清。这个已经在起作用

还有就是强清收费，其实我不觉得强清需要收1，2个点那么高的费用，收千一千二也差不多了。

就是不知道强清收费是在BSIP74实施时顺便加就可以了呢？还是需要另搞BSIP？@abit

我想知道makerdai没有强清靠平时靠什么锚的？！其它抵押类资产没有强清靠什么锚的？

你想追求精准锚，咋不把强清延时去了，强清补偿归零？这不就锚的更好，大家反正都是利用机制缺陷互割，为啥不割的痛快利索一些？

biteur也没有锁喂价怎么就被清没人了哪？难道也锁喂价了？

你贴着1.5去抵，不清你清谁？你抢着被清完的？贴着1.5你怎么去调仓位？外部资金能把你调到3?救的了一个还能救的了3个？

2倍多的抵押还不够多，你们咋不上天哪？biteur快4倍的抵押还不够多？看把你们能的！

你怎么就清楚价格稳定后就消失了？有"喂价改"的情况下，极大可能会成为常态，开始提的时候就有过这种疑问。

机制有问题就承认有问题，蒙着眼瞎跑不摔吗？很难吗？想要追求"锚"的方向就是错的，割到最后没人了，还去"锚"什么？

我就闹不清楚了，是我说的不够清楚还是你们装糊涂？！ 这种用参数追求的这种"强锚"是错误的，好比计划市场中的计划价格，一个鸡蛋只能一毛一个，高了就杀鸡毁鸡窝，这样还不清楚？！

方案我给的不行？强清补偿随着抵押率提高不行？！解决不了问题？一条补偿曲线还不能将抵押区间平滑的分出高中低风险区？1.6到1.75的高抵押风险区让贴线抵押的与强清的去折腾还不够？难道非要把中低区间的全搭上算完？

比如收2%手续费，清算买价实际是1.02，卖价实际是1.00，那么自然会有被清算人1.01主动挂卖单还债，这个价格比清算买价1.02低，清算也就被抑制了。
清算手续费不是为了赚钱而是为了抑制清算市场，鼓励自由市场。

我感觉这个推论有问题……

而你说的这种情况, 被清算者以实际喂价价格卖出, 会强迫被清算者平仓, 导致更严重的情况.

市价高于1.03*喂价, 强清者发起强清, 强清者付2%的手续费, 被清者会以喂价的价格被清, 强迫被清者以1.03*喂价左右的价格在市场卖出, 如果市场持续保持高于1.03*喂价的热度, 整个抵押还是会被清的死去回来, 健康位置的债仓依然无法得到合理的保护, 锚定资产的供应量还是会持续枯竭。而被清者为了回补筹码的需求，会以稍低于1.03*喂价的价格回补，推动整体溢价的上升，形成一个恶性循环，如果市场无法得到足够的回补，他们也会发起强清。
这无非是将市场中主动卖出的对象掉了一个个，由强清者换成了被清者。

整个bitcny市场被清了大概有7千多万的bts，依然无法消除溢价状态，已经说明了这个问题。

清算机制本身是在特殊情况下才启用的机制，不能在市场中成为常态，来过度的压迫抵押者，本身爆仓机制中设置平仓线就是为了保证足额的抵押者不会被爆，而如果这样用清算机制主动压迫抵押者的话，会持续挤压抵押者逐渐离场。

清算机制虽然是为了保证锚定资产持有者可以随时兑换到等值的抵押物，但是这个兑换必须是有代价的，即使放到世俗中也是如此，随着抵押率的提高这个付出的代价必须更高，不然我们无法保证保守与健康抵押者的合法权益，也无法保证整个抵押体系的稳定。


现在的情况，清算价是1.02，市场买价甚至于高与清算价格，被清算者可以以稍高于清算价格主动挂卖单还债，然而事实情况并非如此，被清算者要冒着卖出的筹码从市场无法回补够的尴尬情况，只能反强清回补，而用此套利者，也无法从市场回补到足够的筹码，这个循环很难走起来。除非这个手续费足够高，被清者可以通过承兑渠道到外盘补到足够的筹码。

给卖方更多的补偿只是变相的推高bit资产的折价率而以。提高到10%都没有用。

这个不成立。

1. 2017年牛市时，强清补偿为5%，折价率也没有到5%这么高，市场自己会找锚点。

2.  Makerdai连强清都没有难道有过分的折价率？虽然有年息调整存在，但是更多的是市场在自己找锚点。

而且这根本不是挤泡沫，因为这个“泡沫”就无法定义，单单以折价率来判断泡沫太过于单薄。

过低的强清补偿与过高的MSSR一个性质，都是试图以粗暴的参数来干预市场，强扭市场，违背市场的运行基础，属于计划市场。