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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 对一些问题的思考
« on: November 14, 2019, 06:14:35 pm »市场现在不缺BITCNY，至少从现象上看，为啥还要在从系统借bts抵押。没想过假如再借，bicny更会贬值吗？供求关系。
不要拿缺不缺来衡量，而是水为什么流不出去？
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不要拿缺不缺来衡量，而是水为什么流不出去？
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: cn-vote关于喂价漏洞改革方案
« on: November 14, 2019, 10:39:11 am »
这个方案需要与BSIP77配合使用，连续的低价MA在现价上升后，会留有间隙区，有BSIP77才能有效的预防价格突然下冲带来的爆仓效应。
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/161
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General Discussion / Re: Warning! The private key of a cold wallet with 160 million BTS may have been los
« on: November 13, 2019, 12:47:31 am »3/6 multisig...
Would need to have lost 4 keys to lose access.
Not saying it's not possible...but I find it unlikely. Easy for zb to dismiss if we can contact them.
That is very possible one person have 3 or 4 keys....
But this is easy for ZB to confirm.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于承兑费率的计算方式的问题!
« on: November 13, 2019, 12:28:13 am »我感觉承兑费率的计算方式有问题！
费率计算：
当内盘价格>外盘价格：
出金手续费=(内盘价格-外盘价格)/内盘价格 - 0.5%(自定义百分数，正负均可）；
入金手续费= 2%（自定义百分数，正负均可）- 出金手续费；
锁喂价的情况下，只要内盘价格高于强清结算价，内盘价格一律应按强清结算价处理。
内盘价格0.2244，外盘价格0.186，价差17.11%，
出金手续费=17.11%-0.5%=16.61%，
入金费=2% - 16.61%= - 14.61%，
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当内盘价格< 外盘价格
入金手续费率=（外盘价格-内盘价格）/外盘价格 +0.1%(自定义百分数，正负均可）
出金手续费率= 2%(自定义百分数，正负均可）- 入金手续费率
例：内盘价格0.98，外盘价格1，价差2%
入金费率=2%+0.1%= 2.1%
出金费率=2%-2.1%= -0.1%
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我的计算方式应该没有问题吧？！
现在怎么出来了19%的出金费率与-16%的入金费率？！
17.11%+2%，入金为负出金-19.11%+3%吗？
这不是倒推内盘强清的节奏，即使加上风险冗余也没这么大差吧？！
内盘价格0.2244，外盘价格0.186，价差17.11%，
这么算吧：
100元RMB，充值qc，买BTS，不算手续费 100 / 0.186 = 537.6 BTS
100元RMB，充值送 16% 也就是拿到 116 bitcny，强清 116/0.2244 = 516.9 BTS
所以充值送 16% 不亏。
100 bitcny，提现扣 19% 得到 81 RMB
100 bitcny，强清买BTS 100/0.2244 = 445.6 BTS，搬到zb卖 445.6 * 0.186 = 82.88 QC
不考虑手续费，提现扣 19% 承兑不亏。
是分母用什么的问题。
入金到内盘清，提到外盘砸，外盘价格降低，内盘价格不变，入金手续费又降，提现手续费又提高，无人有提现意愿，只会提bts砸外盘出金，然后入金又降，进内盘要么买要么清，继续循环....这不是妥妥的恶性循环的节奏...入金流大于出金流，亏的只会是承兑吧。
提16.61%, 让0.5%利给提现者，充 - 14.61%，承兑也不亏啊，抵押出的bitcny大量提出到ZB买，然后提到内盘砸或者抵押，内盘价格下来后，充- 14.61%对入金者也是一个划算的买卖，对承兑来说是一个流量正常的形态，而且外盘价格买上来，内盘价格砸下去，会导致入金费率升高，承兑赚的差价不更高？或者承兑的体量还是太小?....
即使承兑之间相互串货，也不亏啊...除非几个人霸场
我是看不大懂承兑现在的费率操作....我怎么感觉费率高的流量大于费率低的流量才是正常赚差的方式...
下图就是现在这种承兑费率带来的现象，降入金费率，提出金费率，互相伤害！
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 关于承兑费率的计算方式的问题!
« on: November 12, 2019, 09:09:11 am »但是事实上，汇率和中币的差价直接相关，因为中币有QC/cny交易对，是主要的cny变现通道，所以，中币在控制这一切。zb.com万恶之源
倒也不完全是这样，QC/cny交易对的深度太浅，影响力不大，我感觉是否是鼓鼓给出的承兑费率计算方式有问题，
按照我的计算方式，应该是一个正激励，对承兑也有利，但是现在这个费率似乎成了负激励，对承兑自己也相当不利。
承兑费率的计算需要两个数据，一个内盘价格，一个外盘价格，以前GDEX有一个外盘数据抓取，现在我似乎找不到了。
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中文 (Chinese) / 关于承兑费率的计算方式的问题!
« on: November 12, 2019, 07:32:33 am »
我感觉承兑费率的计算方式有问题！
费率计算：
当内盘价格>外盘价格：
出金手续费=(内盘价格-外盘价格)/内盘价格 - 0.5%(自定义百分数，正负均可）；
入金手续费= 2%（自定义百分数，正负均可）- 出金手续费；
锁喂价的情况下，只要内盘价格高于强清结算价，内盘价格一律应按强清结算价处理。
内盘价格0.2244，外盘价格0.186，价差17.11%，
出金手续费=17.11%-0.5%=16.61%，
入金费=2% - 16.61%= - 14.61%，
------------
当内盘价格< 外盘价格
入金手续费率=（外盘价格-内盘价格）/外盘价格 +0.1%(自定义百分数，正负均可）
出金手续费率= 2%(自定义百分数，正负均可）- 入金手续费率
例：内盘价格0.98，外盘价格1，价差2%
入金费率=2%+0.1%= 2.1%
出金费率=2%-2.1%= -0.1%
————————
当内盘价格=外盘价格
入金费率=自定义费率
出金费率=自定义费率
====================
未算入敏感系数
我的计算方式应该没有问题吧？！
现在怎么出来了19%的出金费率与-16%的入金费率？！
17.11%+2%，入金为负出金-19.11%+3%吗？
这不是倒推内盘强清的节奏，即使加上风险冗余也没这么大差吧？！
费率计算：
当内盘价格>外盘价格：
出金手续费=(内盘价格-外盘价格)/内盘价格 - 0.5%(自定义百分数，正负均可）；
入金手续费= 2%（自定义百分数，正负均可）- 出金手续费；
锁喂价的情况下，只要内盘价格高于强清结算价，内盘价格一律应按强清结算价处理。
内盘价格0.2244，外盘价格0.186，价差17.11%，
出金手续费=17.11%-0.5%=16.61%，
入金费=2% - 16.61%= - 14.61%，
------------
当内盘价格< 外盘价格
入金手续费率=（外盘价格-内盘价格）/外盘价格 +0.1%(自定义百分数，正负均可）
出金手续费率= 2%(自定义百分数，正负均可）- 入金手续费率
例：内盘价格0.98，外盘价格1，价差2%
入金费率=2%+0.1%= 2.1%
出金费率=2%-2.1%= -0.1%
————————
当内盘价格=外盘价格
入金费率=自定义费率
出金费率=自定义费率
====================
未算入敏感系数
我的计算方式应该没有问题吧？！
现在怎么出来了19%的出金费率与-16%的入金费率？！
17.11%+2%，入金为负出金-19.11%+3%吗？
这不是倒推内盘强清的节奏，即使加上风险冗余也没这么大差吧？！
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [poll] BTS repurchase destruction proposal
« on: November 12, 2019, 04:31:52 am »
I suggest to buy BTC instead of bts, at least use 1/3 Marketing fee to buy BTC, as when BTC fall, BTS will follow, and BTC can regard as some value added, we can use it at right price to fund what the community think suitable.
The main problem is the trust of gateway.btc, or maybe can set a multi-signature BTC wallet by the committees.
The main problem is the trust of gateway.btc, or maybe can set a multi-signature BTC wallet by the committees.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BAIP2:Reform of loopholes in feed price mechanism
« on: November 12, 2019, 03:51:14 am »
I think we should vote for it.
This BAIP is not perfect, but it can realize its function simply and solve the problem we face partly, it didn't have big problem like BSIP42, when the market price falling, two-day moving average price still will be falling, but just falling slowly, and a quick feed pirce falling can't solve any problem we should realize it.
Feed price is a huge and long term project, the problem of mechanism between feed price and MPA is on the table, it‘s as clear as day, we all need to face it, somebody didn't get it not mean it's not exsit, maintain its original form and do nothing will just make thing more worse.
Maybe we need more and futher improvement in the future, but we must make the first step first, this is just a small step, but is the most hardest step.
This BAIP is not perfect, but it can realize its function simply and solve the problem we face partly, it didn't have big problem like BSIP42, when the market price falling, two-day moving average price still will be falling, but just falling slowly, and a quick feed pirce falling can't solve any problem we should realize it.
Feed price is a huge and long term project, the problem of mechanism between feed price and MPA is on the table, it‘s as clear as day, we all need to face it, somebody didn't get it not mean it's not exsit, maintain its original form and do nothing will just make thing more worse.
Maybe we need more and futher improvement in the future, but we must make the first step first, this is just a small step, but is the most hardest step.
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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BAIP2:Reform of loopholes in feed price mechanism
« on: November 12, 2019, 03:18:04 am »If you think your solution is more effective, I suggest you open a new BAIP.
He is trying to help you with your BAIP.
You are rejecting help, ignore facts and attack people with other opinions.
This is a good strategy for communication and writing a proposal ?
This maybe a further improvement to consider, but not now.
The poll is just for vote, we just need to focus on this, why vote it or why not vote it.
If there have different opinions should be talk about in the https://github.com/bitshares/baips/issues/4 or https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/244 or other related post.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 建议将强清成交价改为以市场价为基准
« on: November 11, 2019, 12:03:08 am »Quote
有道理，那看来应该提高强清补偿，给市场价更大的发挥空间。
干脆强清去掉了更好。
提高强清补偿并非唯一之途，内盘价格需要做到喂价权重中，用权重来平衡。
为什么要去掉强清，合理范围内的使用是一个非常有用的工具。
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General Discussion / Re: Discussion for the market making contest, stage two
« on: November 08, 2019, 10:41:21 pm »
USDT/BTS may be more suitable, people can get USDT more easier than CNC and GCNY, USDT has more Deposit Channel and more gateway trading pair.
Bitusd/usdt and bitcny/usdt is another withdraw channel.
Bitusd/usdt and bitcny/usdt is another withdraw channel.
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General Discussion / Re: Lack of development leaves no reason for investors to buy BTS
« on: November 08, 2019, 03:14:31 am »@ RIncreasing my BTS position will have zero impact on the 'strength' of my forum posts 🙄
Do you want to be stronger？hold more bts.
I'd be willing to bet it'd have no impact on your demands to buy more BTS than speak freely about the current state of affairs neither.
Vote is power, you can easily understand it.
R, don't speak other thing, just answer the questions which i have asked:
can you tell me where the development fund come from of these coin, BTC，LTC?
and how old is BTS？
Lack of development will not stop investors to buy, the truth is very simple, investors like to buy BTC/LTC/BCH/BSV/XRP/XLM/DOGE/blah, blah, blah... en，they even like to buy more shitcoin... en, why?
BTC from private companies which seek funding to centralize and control the blockchain - Blockstream for one. Will cnvote start paying devs in place of worker proposals?
LTC - they just copy BTC, their founder dumped their token.
BTS is several years old, sure. Only a couple years of that were unpaid max, during which we lost key devs to other projects which are now worth more than BTS.
Why do people buy 'shitcoins' which don't have proper paid dev teams? Poor investment decisions & lack of insight into such technical matters.
You made your point though, you believe that no matter reduced development the investors will come. It's been 6 weeks of BSIP76 without that outcome, how much longer for this scenario to unfold?
Now, you all know BTC and LCT and other coin, congratulation！
So you shouldn't make a tongue twister again and again.
cn-vote just a Proxy of bts holder, if you represent the interests of the majority, you can become another cn-vote.
And you think you can make things more better, that's wonderful！Show your sincerity and action to the bts holder, they will see and decide，if just empty talk and surmise, en, that's helpless.
If you didn't believe something, open an account in ZB and do the test yourself，then you will find the true!
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General Discussion / Re: Lack of development leaves no reason for investors to buy BTS
« on: November 07, 2019, 11:21:34 pm »@ RIncreasing my BTS position will have zero impact on the 'strength' of my forum posts 🙄
Do you want to be stronger？hold more bts.
I'd be willing to bet it'd have no impact on your demands to buy more BTS than speak freely about the current state of affairs neither.
Vote is power, you can easily understand it.
R, don't speak other thing, just answer the questions which i have asked:
can you tell me where the development fund come from of these coin, BTC，LTC?
and how old is BTS？
Lack of development will not stop investors to buy, the truth is very simple, investors like to buy BTC/LTC/BCH/BSV/XRP/XLM/DOGE/blah, blah, blah... en，they even like to buy more shitcoin... en, why?
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General Discussion / Re: Lack of development leaves no reason for investors to buy BTS
« on: November 07, 2019, 10:18:30 pm »
@ R
Do you want to be stronger？hold more bts.
Do you want to be stronger？hold more bts.
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General Discussion / Re: Lack of development leaves no reason for investors to buy BTS
« on: November 07, 2019, 08:57:32 am »I suggest you look up what "up to" and "budget worker" means.
True spent amounts visible at: https://workers.bitshares.foundation/
I just need to know how much have spent from the reserve pool, we have spent out almost 8M bitcny, and we have other worker cost，this is not small numbers, so i didn't think we not spent money on the development.
