Quote from: johncitizen on January 24, 2014, 10:02:46 am

Okay sounds good. Who can escrow this? Do you accept BTC or only PTS?

30PTS or 0.5BTC without AGS.
100PTS or 1.5BTC with AGS.

1.5 BTC unless someone outbids. Can donschoe escrow?

Do the AGS come with the i.d?

Im interested

The release date could be affected by what the minimal viable product (MVP) could be.   Obviously creating and implementing a blockchain and centralized validation with command line wallet / trading system would be the MVP that could enable successful trading on the network.   Then Ripple style consensus, Qt GUI, Web Wallets, could be added after this MVP.   

Some may claim that a "centralized" command line system is not what was promised, on the other hand it could be a valuable stepping stone toward a full system that would maximize shareholder value in the short term and allow speculation on real BTS while we build out the rest of the infrastructure.   

So release date is really subject to whether we need a full Qt GUI to launch.   What are your thoughts?

Firstly,

We are essentially competing for market share. Some systems work alongside BTS where others may ultimately compete. Is is wise to have source code available on github?

It may be important to maximise short term shareholder value while also generating mass attention to the project. We have a large advantage in our current position. If we play our cards right, we will certainly become what is expected by Invictus believers.


I support this. It may be worth developing the trading system of BTS for release and then continuing the infrastructure? This has been the path of other 'systems' and has been relatively successful. MST for example are @ 0.18 BTC with nothing more than a promise? I do not mean to be rude but that is as it seems. Same for Ripple and NXT.

If we take the approach with BTS trading release, we will create a surge in AGS donations and PTS price. It may be thoughtful to consider how to sustain funding thereafter (see below). There would be appx 500k PTS left to mine and perhaps 1.8 million AGS left after a FEB release of MVP.

BTS would sit on coinmarketcap trading away, generating buzz and new investors, right where the world can see. That would draw a huge amount of attention to Invictus so we would need the websites sexy and information presented clearly. I am certain that this would generate a whole new flood of investors that will bid to capture positions in future DACs through AGS/PTS and also hustle bitshares for a piece of the BTS future dividend/fee.

Currently many are unaware of our plans. Think of this also. If we release BTS to market for speculation, new investors also have the opportunity to bid for AGS (and the remaining PTS) based on the business model of rewarding them %10 of DAC's.

We will be the first to provide the 'general public' with 'founder' status. Something even small time guys take immense pride in.

This seems like the 'royal flush'. (I make no reference to gambling, just the position held  )

These discussions are imperative and must reach conclusion ASAP.

If you would like a better predictor on when the market thinks we will release BitShares then you should look at the AGS price.   Suppose we were to release BitShares in February there would only be 500K AGS while almost 1.5 M PTS and thus AGS would be 3x more valuable than BTS.   

On the other hand, suppose we were to release BitShares in July, there would be 2M AGS and less than 2 M PTS and thus PTS would be worth more than AGS.

Based upon the current exchange rates it seems the market is predicting a much later release because if we manage to pull off a February release then those investing in AGS today will get a 6x return over those who hold PTS.   Something to think about.

If you would like a better predictor on when the market thinks we will release BitShares then you should look at the AGS price.   Suppose we were to release BitShares in February there would only be 500K AGS while almost 1.5 M PTS and thus AGS would be 3x more valuable than BTS.   

On the other hand, suppose we were to release BitShares in July, there would be 2M AGS and less than 2 M PTS and thus PTS would be worth more than AGS.

Based upon the current exchange rates it seems the market is predicting a much later release because if we manage to pull off a February release then those investing in AGS today will get a 6x return over those who hold PTS.   Something to think about.

Thank you Bytemaster,

It is always a pleasure.

Personally, I think we will see a release earlier than the market is anticipating. Although Invictus have a good idea, it is exciting for small players such as myself to speculate without ulterior motive. The purpose of AGS was to reward investors that sacrificed PTS/BTC liquidity-those in for the long run.We are angels after all  . Invictus has a habit of rewarding those who support it. PTS/BTC donations directly funds BTS through the angelshare addresses.


My opinion,

AGS will hold a higher BTS ratio than PTS.

The release of BTS launch date may skyrocket PTS/AGS value as investors scramble in the two week bidding war to accumulate PTS/AGS.
I think Proto/angelshares are undervalued- and I'm loving it.

I can only speculate and I must state- "These are only my thoughts. Not intended to be investment advice."

My guess is for march. Locked in!

P.S. I reset the vote so people can choose from
FEB
MAR
APR
MAY

Those that voted, please recast. 

You mean edit? I think before may as early??

NXT is legitimate. Early stages just as all new crypto technologies.

Mastercoin, NXT and Bitshares.

All three have promising features in development. Overall I believe that Invictus will deliver the future. As an investor I have captured positions in all three. Its all alpha tech so far and relatively cheap.

I have the client and perform regular updates- Definitely not for gimps.

Scam accusations: if you had of sent BTC at genesis I don't think there would be an issue. I hear scamusations all day, even towards BTS business model.  People will no doubt label Invictus as unfair in the future, as ridiculous as it sounds.

We will know soon enough.