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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 15, 2014, 12:31:26 pm »
Quote from: MeTHoDx on September 15, 2014, 02:46:47 am
Quote from: CLains on September 14, 2014, 08:30:35 pm
Quote from: Stan on September 13, 2014, 04:39:12 pm
Brian recently spent an hour on Beyond Bitcoin outlining the Western marketing plan in great detail.  I think it was this one:

https://soundcloud.com/beyond-bitcoin-hangouts/brian-page-8-27-2014

This sounds really good..  :o

Yeah just listened to this today and my doubts have been soothed. I have a feeling there are a lot of high level internet marketers ready to pump the shit out of this.

Indeed!

There are many ideas aim to resolve what I been talking about. I must admit it is first time I was listening what Brian has to say about his plans and I was impressed how this man thinks all the way.

It would be nice if those ideas could be presented in more structural form then this interview and we could discuss about it. I got a feeling that marketing plans are still in stealth mode I guess there is real reason behind it.

I am not suggesting community should teach him how to do his work, he is the man in charge, but rather show ways some goals could be accomplish better, faster with fewer resources. What I could suggest is for every goal his is chasing, to open up tread that many ideas could pop up, without revealing actual plan behind it.

For example:
What stock excange software has best user grade expiriance, most intuitive interface or so?
What are the ways we could approach for example Miley Cirus to say something about Bitshares?
Who are the people that are considered most trusted sources of information for any paticular field we are interested about?
What other beneficial business or enterprenuer or newspaper could we approach for strategic aliance relationship and what that mutul benefical could be?

What I am curies about is how Brian Marketing Department is organized how many people work on this and how they are funded. Are there enough resources available for achieving all his goals?

It is hard to compite with BM’s level of trust because he is rock star here. Let the communitie be your allie instead of critique what ever reasons may lay behind it.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:01:40 pm »
Quote from: gamey on September 13, 2014, 09:43:05 pm
The problem with giving this guy 1% is that there is no way to measure his success.  If he is smart and selfishly motivated, he'll just sit on his 1% and make a minimal effort so people don't bad mouth him.  Then when Bitshares X succeeds regardless, he gets nearly the same profits with a fraction of the effort.

Now if he was the only single marketer for a product it would be different, because it would be sink or swim.  Giving him money upfront then expecting him to make magic seems to be the wrong approach.  The incentives are just not there.  He can basically freeride.


This might be the truth except he needs to borrow his name. Don't forget his name means everything in his business.
His name is worth something to your "suggested", targeted audience and BitsharesX doesn't mean anything to them.
One more thing, this guy has connections, he could provide access to mainstream medial like New York Times, Forbs, Wall Street Journal and etc..

Quote from: gamey on September 13, 2014, 09:43:05 pm
Execution is what we need more than ideas.

I 100% agree

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 07:39:10 pm »
Quote from: yellowecho on September 13, 2014, 07:30:26 pm
I don't see any need for apology.  You have good and relevant suggestions and I think they should certainly be considered.  I wouldn't have a problem donating BTSX for further marketing efforts when the time comes.. I just don't think that time has come quite yet.  IMO the product needs to at least reach the  beta stage


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Yes I agree, but should be ready for "fire at will" order.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 07:26:45 pm »
Dear Brian and the Marketing Team

Please accept my sincerely apologies to you and to your team. I didn’t meant to underestimate your efforts in any way. I know you guys are working hard and have best intentions.

My intentions was to explore new possibilities and discuss how we as community could help.
Among others I have suggested establishing marketing fund created by donations from the profits made on BTSX so far.

The thing with Jay was my opinion what should be done about it. Let me explain.
Working on something on daily bases struggling with the problems and managing things often produces inability to see and check broader picture. That broader picture is the difference between what you are doing and what could be done. Besides most of the time you have to be executive and plan and act accordingly.

Now if someone could provide you with assistance with clearing up wider aspects of your work, like Jay for example would it be of some help?
Another aspect of his involving is suggested purely for a marketing reasons and you could understand that better than anyone else.

Once again please accept my sincerely apologies,
Keep up with good work,

Best Regards

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 06:31:09 pm »
Quote from: MeTHoDx on September 13, 2014, 05:53:30 pm
I'm a huge Jay Abraham fan but I don't think he'd do us justice. To market anything effectively, you need an intimate understanding of audience. A crypto marketing genius would likely come from within the bitcoin/crypto community. I agree BitShares X deserves a marketing genius to match it's development genius though!

I disagree with that: "A crypto marketing genius would likely come from within the bitcoin/crypto community"

The problems meant to be solved by Bitshares are universal. The business, investor community knows that fact better then anyone else. Besides the one who positions itself to be first to provide solutions and explain benefits from the new technology to those who needs it, would set up benchmark for others that would come. In future they would compare it self to Bitshares in order to gain popularity.
So I think we dont even need Bitcoin and other crypto community stuff.

So basically I have suggested to change the rules of the game - if you can recall of Jays technics.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 05:24:43 pm »
Quote from: tonyk on September 13, 2014, 03:09:46 pm
@Geneko

Slept over your proposal. Here is counter offer:

This guys prides himself as not only great marketer buy a great business mind. Shoot him an email explaining what BTSX is. If he is that great of a mind he will see the great potential and the only thing needed is his magic touch. He will buy (as in actually purchase BTSX) and the increased value of which will be his biggest financial reward. Do you see anything illogical in my suggestion.

That thought crossed my mind.
How about organizing mutual marketing fund. You didn't comment that?

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 05:19:01 pm »
Quote from: bitsharesrussia on September 13, 2014, 02:50:30 pm
@Geneko - please spell guy next itme  ;) Not that i have a problem with that but .... oh well

Sorry, as matter of fact he is too old don't you think ;)

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:23:58 am »
Quote from: gamey on September 13, 2014, 10:19:07 am

The last paragraph of his sums it up.

Quote
Clients now pay Marc up to $10,000/hour and $100,000/year to have personal and direct access to his insights and what he now calls ‘Twists Of The Kube™’ as he Komes up with Kountless Kaleidoscopic Kombinations™ to create wealth for his clients.

The name of gay is Jay if you have read carefully.
I have suggested 1% donation of current holdings, so what do you say about that?

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:11:22 am »
Gays,

I really appreciate your comments although my basic idea was to discuss about marketing fund, reasons for such idea, and how to do it. The discussion has moved to a man that I have suggested but he and his capabilities isn’t the main point.
 
I have proposed the whole idea for a reasons discussed here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8671.0 and here https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8793.0 and here   https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=8202.0 and many other places discussed before in Marketing tread.

Since this is how this forum works, as far as I know, for the purpose of this brainstorming I have decide to explain a bit why I think this gay has right fit for us and why I think he could accept suggested offer.

I think he could help us with this: Many of his strategies focus on helping companies to communicate more clearly to prospects and clients using methods such as unique selling propositions, risk reversal, making clear offers, testing and optimization.
 
Another reason is that he could provide us access to a mainstream business media pointed here http://www.marcdussault.com/jay-abraham

Another reason lays in a nature of preferable dill. There are various ways this gay could be approached and various dills he could be accepted. In short, if we could persuade him in our assumptions of BitshareX project he might be accept our generous donation in exchange for his services.

Only the imaginable fact that he is involved in the project and has possession of BTSX holdings would have huge implications in marketing of whole thing.

Don’t forget he is wealthy man experiencing everyday problems BitsharesX promise to solve. He also needs to secure and diversify his wealth portfolio.
 
Finally this is whole new industry, I and if it is going to be huge as we expected, he needs to secure a ticket for entrance, and he couldn’t find better than being involved in one of the most promised of all.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 08:08:41 am »
Quote from: GaltReport on September 13, 2014, 01:10:18 am

I agree with this.  I'm not saying this guy is like that but there are many of these types that are very long on seminars, books, coaching and testimonials and short on naming specific products/services they launched to the moon.  Again, not saying he's like that...but there is something to be said for a true believer who gets his reward through the results he produces.

Again he has really remarkable track record. You can try to find out more here http://www.marcdussault.com/jay-abraham

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 08:03:23 am »
Quote from: GodsCreation on September 13, 2014, 01:05:33 am

and that is the problem. Me personally would rather see big names from other fields who genuinely believe that this works knowing
they can make tons more then a fixed deposit just to talk with them.

Nobody said anything about fixed deposit. You just have to prove you are serious enough.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 13, 2014, 12:13:16 am »
Quote from: GaltReport on September 13, 2014, 12:00:12 am

That's good right?  Just suggesting Brian maybe can be the conduit to get him involved.

Yes but he should be approached with sufficient funds otherwise...but who knows worth trying.


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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:58:09 pm »
My basic proposal was to establish fund and ways to do it.
How about that?


Quote from: GaltReport on September 12, 2014, 11:43:47 pm

Maybe pass his info to Brian and they can discuss.

You are not serious right? You know this guy is legend and just involving him in a project would be quite of a marketing move.
Only his name would attracted many business people, investors and entrepreneurs and you could imagine implications..

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:38:59 pm »
Quote from: donkeypong on September 12, 2014, 11:20:11 pm
We already have Brian Page and his team.

It is ok. Brain is doing his job fine. This guy gives gaudiness, advices, develops plans, suggest action plans, provides connections and
many more.
Quote from: donkeypong on September 12, 2014, 11:20:11 pm
The reason you have not seen serious marketing yet is because the client is not yet 100% ready for prime time and the tweaks are still being worked out with the system. More marketing is usually a good thing so I'm open to your ideas, but as far as bringing in someone to handle marketing, we have a very capable person already.

I didn't said the time is now. Besides it takes time to organize the fund, to find the right guy, negotiate a dill and etc. The discussion needs time too. We should plan in advance.
Once again I didn't suggested replacement for Brian, he is doing his job fine.

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General Discussion / Re: Marketing Proposal - Our Unfair Advantage
« on: September 12, 2014, 11:23:08 pm »
Quote from: liondani on September 12, 2014, 11:18:22 pm
Is he a BTSX holder?

No it is to be neagotiated

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