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General Discussion / Re: Is it like you don't care about PTS?
« on: January 14, 2014, 07:41:58 pm »
I guess this is the tread I have been looking for.

Here is my post on similar issues but from different angle: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2306.msg28341#msg28341

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Why are all bounties issued in Pts?
 I have already stated this in one of discussions but it has gone without gaining much of attention.
I think this situation with bounties is no winning. That is, because some compromises were made from very beginning and now we are dealing with its consequences.

One of compromise is that all bounties are issued in Pts. First consequence is that developing participants are limited to these community members only. This is small community and very small portion seams interested and/or able to participate in development work. Second consequence is that same people are after all the bounties. I am not concern about them winning all rewords, but the funds being wasted on modest results with possibly big time delays. If the intention was for community to do all development work then it shouldn’t be raising any funds and rewording any bounties.

My understanding of the Angelshere funds is that this is money raised to be spending in best community interest not on its best skilled and most active parts.

What I am suggesting is for those bounties and/or sales contracts, to find the way to all thinkable labor markets.  It doesn’t matter if you need to pay in Usd , BTC or PTS. After all, there are existing exchanges that could easily provide such kind of flexibility. And yes I know it would disturb the market of Pts but it would only be temporarily, before the market reaches its equilibrium. So I suggest more of strategic thinking instead of tactic one. More so I believe it would bring much benefit by providing broader attention and significant publicity. 
My intention was to point out to above issues and hear other opinions related to above matter. 

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Marketplace / Re: 200 PTS - Bounty Rules and Procedures Document
« on: January 10, 2014, 10:52:49 pm »
 6) Encourage referrals of people to the bounties, people who refer winners get a cut --not included as there are OPEN bounties for that already

I think it could be easy solved by Book of Entry. Such event should be submitted there in order to request/accept the referral percentage. The Book of Entry has its “ time stamp like“ string. So if referred party submit the entry it would be after referral has been recorded in Book of Entry, so he can expect the cut.

8)Encourage reinvestment back into the community --how to do so?

Reinvestment back into community is largely dependent of the success of this Bounty Rules and Procedures as well as Social Contract. In my opinion reinvestment back into the community is personal act which is done by exposure of ones gratitude(like famous 1000BTC Roger Ver donation).
It could be enforced only by true success of an individual as well as community as a whole. Although its is build upon" working in its own self interest" principal,over time it would develop many ”of the self gestures“ from gratifying people. It could be only enforced by rumoring such event by community and by that way imposing it as an informal rule.
One more thing. There are people that could be a part of bounty process that doesn't require anything in return for its effort. Those should also be considered  reinvestment back into the community.

14) Ways to organize team bounties where a 'project manager' can organize many others to help build a larger deliverable. --should we not leave this part since we cannot dictate how a team decides to come together?

I agree on that one. More so I believe this has to be done by market forces only.
Suppose someone is after bounty lets call him Bounty Hunter. Bounty Hunter could be project manager hired by investor , or entrepreneur with own resources. He should be acting like stock trader. He should manage the risks and rip the reword. He should study the market and develop skills needed for wining. He would search for ideas, connecting the unconnected , organizing teams, investing money and other available resources in order to win the bounty markets. Over time we hope, thru process of natural selection, it would rise a group of skilled managers that could serve the community needs.
So the entry should be only considered as a whole.The whole entry should provide information about percentage splinting.If it is individual effort then 100%. If it is team effort then according to agreed percentage splitting. Let the market organize the teams. 
   
16) Have a commission system for the bounty operator/organizer.  The goal is to motivate rapid question/answer/evaluation cycles and divide up the task of running the bounty in addition to completing the bounty.

My thought on this is that bounty operator/organizer should be highly influential person. It has to own gained trust from community and yet be influenced by same principals of natural selection like Bounty Hunters. 
-He should be responsible for making check lists (like you have done so) and care about question/answer/evaluation cycles.
-He should be responsible for employment of all the Bounty rules and Procedures. He should bread the essence of Social Contract.
-He should be responsible for fast delivery. He should done this by proactive serve rather then sit an wait for participants.
-He should divide up and manage the tasks of running the bounty.

So who could most benefit from best BO( Bounty Operator). In my opinion it is BP (Bounty Prospector).
If the BP wants fast delivery, high quality solution he must provide BO that would best serve the roll. The reputation and proactive work of BO would attract best BH and would best serve the Community. After all,it is his reputation at stake. So Bo is in position of some kind of escrow and charges for its services. Eventually BO will recognize its value in the market and charge the BP for its services according to it .Some would charge less some more. So at the end, market and community will decide about BO commission fee. At the end this is game of BP, BO, and BH everybody dealing in its own self interest.
So related to above manner  I suggest only one sentence:
Bounty Prospector will nominate the Bounty Operator. The agreement between BO and BP should be announced in public ( Book of Entry for example) and has to contain minimum commission fee information.

Hope this could help. I would appreciate some feedback.

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Marketplace / Re: 200 PTS - Bounty Rules and Procedures Document
« on: January 10, 2014, 12:16:55 pm »
I have a few suggestions if you don’t mind.

I have read your document.  As I try to follow this thread I think everybody's agreed on fact it is needed to create more competitive yet collaborative environment. It should also support work in own self-interest like in the game theory.  So I think your document misses that. It seems to me very soft and fogy. Maybe this is not the right place I put suggestions but please check out and you will get the idea what I meant.
Please forgive for my possible bad translation.

Basic Rules

1.   Clarity: Ok
2.   Entry: The entry could be submitted as a work of a single or multiple participants in the separate thread called- Book of Entry. The claim for percent dividing should be clearly marked on original entry for a single or multiple participants. Everybody is free (encouraged) to use previous entries or its parts. It is good manner to inform the owner of entry about that fact. Only the owner of original work can request or accept the compensating offer of user. If they agree they pronounce agreement on the Book of Entry. If not the owner of used work may pronounce the request for mediation with appropriate evidence in the separate thread called Book of Mediation.
3.   Quality Analyzes: Everybody is free (encouraged) to claim for a bug or copyright and other issues for splitting percentage or additional reword. It is good manner to inform the owner of entry about that fact. Only the owner of original work can offer the compensation until the construction is over. If the owner and complaint side agree they pronounce the agreement on Book of Entry. If not the complaint side may pronounce the request for mediation with appropriate evidence in the Book of Mediation.
4.   Bounties: The bounty will be reworded by a poster after evaluating phase. The poster of bounty reserves the right to reword one or more full entries or its parts. The mediation issues should be solved only for reworded entries and concerned parties informed. If the mediation find issues true they decide about percentage splitting of original bounties among interesting parties or give additional reword to mediation nominator. 
5.   Actual 4 becomes 5
6.   Actual 5 becomes 6

Everybody is welcomed to discuss and/or upgrade my suggestions.

would you be interested in collaborative work?

Yes, please tell me how could I be of any assistance.

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Marketplace / Re: 200 PTS - Bounty Rules and Procedures Document
« on: January 10, 2014, 01:10:17 am »
I have a few suggestions if you don’t mind.

I have read your document.  As I try to follow this thread I think everybody's agreed on fact it is needed to create more competitive yet collaborative environment. It should also support work in own self-interest like in the game theory.  So I think your document misses that. It seems to me very soft and fogy. Maybe this is not the right place I put suggestions but please check out and you will get the idea what I meant.
Please forgive for my possible bad translation.

Basic Rules

1.   Clarity: Ok
2.   Entry: The entry could be submitted as a work of a single or multiple participants in the separate thread called- Book of Entry. The claim for percent dividing should be clearly marked on original entry for a single or multiple participants. Everybody is free (encouraged) to use previous entries or its parts. It is good manner to inform the owner of entry about that fact. Only the owner of original work can request or accept the compensating offer of user. If they agree they pronounce agreement on the Book of Entry. If not the owner of used work may pronounce the request for mediation with appropriate evidence in the separate thread called Book of Mediation.
3.   Quality Analyzes: Everybody is free (encouraged) to claim for a bug or copyright and other issues for splitting percentage or additional reword. It is good manner to inform the owner of entry about that fact. Only the owner of original work can offer the compensation until the construction is over. If the owner and complaint side agree they pronounce the agreement on Book of Entry. If not the complaint side may pronounce the request for mediation with appropriate evidence in the Book of Mediation.
4.   Bounties: The bounty will be reworded by a poster after evaluating phase. The poster of bounty reserves the right to reword one or more full entries or its parts. The mediation issues should be solved only for reworded entries and concerned parties informed. If the mediation find issues true they decide about percentage splitting of original bounties among interesting parties or give additional reword to mediation nominator. 
5.   Actual 4 becomes 5
6.   Actual 5 becomes 6

Everybody is welcomed to discuss and/or upgrade my suggestions. 

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Marketplace / Re: 200 PTS - Bounty Rules and Procedures Document
« on: January 09, 2014, 02:17:07 am »
From my opinion, there is one thing that is mistreated here from the very beginning. Pls accept it as a suggestion not criticism.

If you are trying buy product or service you simply go to the markets and buy it. Markets for graphic design and software products already exist and it has its specific rules so you don’t have to bother with inventing yours.

You need simple procedures for election of project managers, defining the tasks and procedures for realizing payments upon negotiated conditions. Bounties offered here on the forum, or any other dedicated place, are not the best thing money can buy. These are not developed markets for graphic design or software products. You could get far better solutions for logo design or web site look from places like freelance.com then you will get like this, and it will cost less.
 
There is one more benefit you will get like this. Word, that somebody pays usd 200 for a logo or usd 20.000 for a web site will spread with speed of light and you will get publicity that you couldn’t think of. Those people from all over the world work hard for much less.

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General Discussion / Re: Announcing Angel Shares & BitShares Allocation
« on: December 27, 2013, 07:18:31 pm »
There is one thing that bothers me. This one is related to inevitable influence to future Pts trading.
 All Pts accumulated in the pool for Ags could not be used directly in order to pay developers , bounties , promotions and etc…It has to be traded for Btc. Who is controlling supply of those accumulated Pts to the market. Are those accumulated one day, going to be traded next day.  If not then when? Obviously the one who controls supply of those accumulated Pts is going to influence the market price in a big way.

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