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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 我对于Bitshares领导团队现阶段的建议和要求
« on: June 25, 2014, 02:50:11 am »The only unknown is how many dragons we have left to slay. We have no doubt that we can slay them.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 致Stan、3I和社区全体同仁：关于BitShares生态系统建设的指导思想
« on: June 24, 2014, 03:17:06 pm »不敢当，搞了一辈子工科，下辈子搞搞文科。致Stan、3I和社区全体同仁：关于BitShares生态系统建设的指导思想
前引：得道多助，失道寡助。得人心者得天下，失人心者失天下。
一、股东利益高于一切
股权文化的核心内容是股东主权理念。所谓股东主权就是彻底确认股东在公司治理中的主人翁地位，全面尊重股东所享有的各项权利和利益。这与林肯的人民主权思想，即民有(from the people)、民享(for the people)、民治(by the people)的政治民主观点一脉相承。
BitShares志在创建基于区块链的众多数字公司，唯有将“股东利益高于一切”的理念贯彻始终，才能广聚人才、资金，集聚民心，并最终走向成功。
二、合成一条心 拧成一股绳
BitShares生态系统的建立，仰赖于社区全体同仁的共同努力。网络世界只有第一，没有第二。唯有将各种资源、人力物力凝聚在一起，合成一条心，拧成一股绳才能幸存。基于区块链网络更是需要形成统一化的强大力量才能最终胜出。任何山寨自己、优胜劣汰的思想只能使整个生态系统碎片化，是极其错误的，是危害无穷的。
天籁是学文科的么？说话总是这么有深度！
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General Discussion / Re: What if 'official' Bitshares X* not 100% honor XT ?
« on: June 24, 2014, 07:47:34 am »
I think that casting the quoted point into concrete is the first important thing in the long process of construction of the BitShares ecosystem! Which is the main reason people invest XT.
I think the quote is worth nothing currently as we still are several months away from chains that emerge from daughter chains of BitSharesXT ..Thus the primary vehicle for investing in future BitShares X chains will be to own BitShares XT.... likewise, chains that are variants of BitShares XI or XV should honor their parent with 100% stake.
Actually I recognised these quoted words in the Roadmap thread. I am just not sure whether they are still in effect after 4 months' time. History has told us the startups like 3I are always changing everything, one good example is the birth of AGS. With this poll I also want to remind 3I that investors don't like changes before they get their investment back.
But the idea is basically that you have an initial distribution of stake and honor investors that have invested in the mother-chain. Same thing as XT->X
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General Discussion / Re: What if 'official' Bitshares X* not 100% honor XT ?
« on: June 24, 2014, 07:38:56 am »
"I think the quote is worth nothing currently as we still are several months away from chains that emerge from daughter chains of BitSharesXT."
I think that casting the quoted point into concrete is the first important thing in the long process of construction of the BitShares ecosystem! Which is the main reason people invest XT.
I think that casting the quoted point into concrete is the first important thing in the long process of construction of the BitShares ecosystem! Which is the main reason people invest XT.
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中文 (Chinese) / 致Stan、3I和社区全体同仁：关于BitShares生态系统建设的指导思想
« on: June 24, 2014, 05:43:01 am »
致Stan、3I和社区全体同仁：关于BitShares生态系统建设的指导思想
前引：得道多助，失道寡助。得人心者得天下，失人心者失天下。
一、股东利益高于一切
股权文化的核心内容是股东主权理念。所谓股东主权就是彻底确认股东在公司治理中的主人翁地位，全面尊重股东所享有的各项权利和利益。这与林肯的人民主权思想，即民有(from the people)、民享(for the people)、民治(by the people)的政治民主观点一脉相承。
BitShares志在创建基于区块链的众多数字公司，唯有将“股东利益高于一切”的理念贯彻始终，才能广聚人才、资金，集聚民心，并最终走向成功。
二、合成一条心 拧成一股绳
BitShares生态系统的建立，仰赖于社区全体同仁的共同努力。网络世界只有第一，没有第二。唯有将各种资源、人力物力凝聚在一起，合成一条心，拧成一股绳才能幸存。基于区块链网络更是需要形成统一化的强大力量才能最终胜出。任何山寨自己、优胜劣汰的思想只能使整个生态系统碎片化，是极其错误的，是危害无穷的。
前引：得道多助，失道寡助。得人心者得天下，失人心者失天下。
一、股东利益高于一切
股权文化的核心内容是股东主权理念。所谓股东主权就是彻底确认股东在公司治理中的主人翁地位，全面尊重股东所享有的各项权利和利益。这与林肯的人民主权思想，即民有(from the people)、民享(for the people)、民治(by the people)的政治民主观点一脉相承。
BitShares志在创建基于区块链的众多数字公司，唯有将“股东利益高于一切”的理念贯彻始终，才能广聚人才、资金，集聚民心，并最终走向成功。
二、合成一条心 拧成一股绳
BitShares生态系统的建立，仰赖于社区全体同仁的共同努力。网络世界只有第一，没有第二。唯有将各种资源、人力物力凝聚在一起，合成一条心，拧成一股绳才能幸存。基于区块链网络更是需要形成统一化的强大力量才能最终胜出。任何山寨自己、优胜劣汰的思想只能使整个生态系统碎片化，是极其错误的，是危害无穷的。
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 最后一次测试开始：a final countdown.最后的倒计时
« on: June 24, 2014, 12:24:55 am »
所有代表都弄个100%，小股东喝西北风啊！
又搞了个BUG出来：
2) Delegates set their own income as a % of transaction fees, which cannot be changed and is visible to everyone.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 最后一次测试开始：a final countdown.最后的倒计时
« on: June 24, 2014, 12:20:16 am »
又搞了个BUG出来：
2) Delegates set their own income as a % of transaction fees, which cannot be changed and is visible to everyone.
2) Delegates set their own income as a % of transaction fees, which cannot be changed and is visible to everyone.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 大伙儿再理解一下228之后的这张图，就全懂了
« on: June 23, 2014, 11:36:45 pm »
问题确实极为严重，涉及诚信、欺诈问题。本来DAC是防止腐化的旗帜，现在自己要走向其反面。任其发展下去，前途何来？
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 梳理一下这件事的来龙去脉，大家不要人云亦云。请不太明白的都进来看看。
« on: June 23, 2014, 01:28:11 pm »
显而易见，如果机构看好BTS，完全可以从市场上收集筹码！
再者，就一定代理能做推广吗，我们股东更是在不断推广。难道要把非IT人员完全排除才好？
再者，就一定代理能做推广吗，我们股东更是在不断推广。难道要把非IT人员完全排除才好？
不可行，绝对不可行
这是一个纯技术的脑袋想出来的狗屎主意，一厢情愿了，毫无经济思维
首先，受托人限于且只能限于出块，投资电子类硬件进行出块；不可能承担运营推广及DAC开发工作，不要问原因
其次，之前3I有过明确的承诺，后续的所有BTS X系列链将以之前的一条链作为分叉，继承所有权益，而没提稀释
再次，若想提高受托人的收入只需要提高交易费比率或提高受托人所占交易费比例即可（即少销毁一点）
备注1：不要问原因这个，我还是解释一下，打个比方：BM想让一个在超市扫厕所的大妈顺便把超市总经理/财务/保安/采购的工作也一起做了，美名其曰：激励保洁阿姨
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General Discussion / Re: Number of Bitshares X at launch
« on: June 23, 2014, 03:35:10 am »I am worry about this topic now.
It's not a correct time to debate this.
back to the dryrun test please.
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General Discussion / Re: Number of Bitshares X at launch
« on: June 23, 2014, 02:46:06 am » You want to put the BTS completely fragmented?!What I would really like to see is this:QuoteFor this reason we have decided to recommend that all future chains based upon the concept behind BitShares X be initialized with a snapshot (100%) of the state of BitShares XT around the time of their launch.
Key word here is initialized with snapshot. All chains BM plans to make will still do this. Some will print new shares because he thinks that will make that chain more likely to be worth more overall. Some will not to appease investors. In either case, you have a stake in them all.
I'll make a few chains too, some initialized with some shares to the altcoins that'll be traded on them, some airdropped on real-world organizations (partnerships with traditional businesses). Whatever.
You have stake in them all.
1) A single chain that upgrades over time and adds new features supported via the dilution method once this chain gains traction then clones can pop up on their own to compete.
The challenges with this approach is:
1) Not everyone supports the dilution approach
2) How do you handle different snapshot dates
You guys will no doubt find the best, or one of the best, ways to proceed. I don't want to ruffle feathers needlessly or waste anyone's time here. But I still don't understand the current line of thinking.
"A single chain that upgrades over time and adds new features supported via the dilution method..."
My question is, would new features really be that costly to implement? Isn't there another way to support development other than by diluting shareowners?
To your point 2), "Not everyone supports the dilution approach".. I'd say that is a bit too mild. More accurate to say, "very few support the dilution approach, and many are vehemently against it."
If you're going to consider dilution (which is not advisable), then at least consider how it's done in the finance world. In the case of stocks, dilution is a byproduct of capital raising. Selling shares to fund a project lets the market be the final arbiter. If the market doesn't like the proposed use of funds, then the share price will drop, voila, instant feedback mechanism.
Here, giving delegates or developers carte Blanche by diluting so much in advance is very, very different. It's just plain arbitrary and asking for trouble.
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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 看了BM最新的帖子，我有上当受骗的感觉。他意图改变bitsharesX的总股量。
« on: June 23, 2014, 02:36:57 am »
You want to put the BTS completely fragmented?!My God!
大家看看toast是怎么说的：
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5199.msg68661;topicseen#msg68661
Key word here is initialized with snapshot. All chains BM plans to make will still do this. Some will print new shares because he thinks that will make that chain more likely to be worth more overall. Some will not to appease investors. In either case, you have a stake in them all.
I'll make a few chains too, some initialized with some shares to the altcoins that'll be traded on them, some airdropped on real-world organizations (partnerships with traditional businesses). Whatever.
You have stake in them all.
大家看看toast是怎么说的：
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5199.msg68661;topicseen#msg68661
Key word here is initialized with snapshot. All chains BM plans to make will still do this. Some will print new shares because he thinks that will make that chain more likely to be worth more overall. Some will not to appease investors. In either case, you have a stake in them all.
I'll make a few chains too, some initialized with some shares to the altcoins that'll be traded on them, some airdropped on real-world organizations (partnerships with traditional businesses). Whatever.
You have stake in them all.
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General Discussion / Re: Number of Bitshares X at launch
« on: June 23, 2014, 02:11:49 am »
You denied the BitShares X Product Roadmap！https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2940.0
You want to put the BTS completely fragmented?!QuoteFor this reason we have decided to recommend that all future chains based upon the concept behind BitShares X be initialized with a snapshot (100%) of the state of BitShares XT around the time of their launch.
Key word here is initialized with snapshot. All chains BM plans to make will still do this. Some will print new shares because he thinks that will make that chain more likely to be worth more overall. Some will not to appease investors. In either case, you have a stake in them all.
I'll make a few chains too, some initialized with some shares to the altcoins that'll be traded on them, some airdropped on real-world organizations (partnerships with traditional businesses). Whatever.
You have stake in them all.
Shall I point you to the original whitepaper from fall 2013 which describes this as a multi-chain project? That's the point, there is not one chain. The network effect is in the bitassets.
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General Discussion / Re: Number of Bitshares X at launch
« on: June 23, 2014, 02:03:26 am »
You want to put the BTS completely fragmented?!My God!
QuoteFor this reason we have decided to recommend that all future chains based upon the concept behind BitShares X be initialized with a snapshot (100%) of the state of BitShares XT around the time of their launch.
Key word here is initialized with snapshot. All chains BM plans to make will still do this. Some will print new shares because he thinks that will make that chain more likely to be worth more overall. Some will not to appease investors. In either case, you have a stake in them all.
I'll make a few chains too, some initialized with some shares to the altcoins that'll be traded on them, some airdropped on real-world organizations (partnerships with traditional businesses). Whatever.
You have stake in them all.
