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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 17, 2014, 08:49:23 am »
In Bitshares X, Bitusd is designed to anchoring USD. While BTS already exists in the system, the first Bitusd will appear if and only if someone likes to buy it with 1 USD in currency exchange interface. So, the number of Bitusd is finite ( from small to large as time goes and cash inflows increases). No one would like to use his Bitusd (equivalent to real money) to buy 1 BTS with ceiling price such as alt listed, 10**10Bitusd,otherwise he would lost all. In conclusion, There will not be hundreds of millions of unsecured Bitusd.
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The individual who found the issue should receive the 23 pts and an interpreter should get 2 pts...  let me know who should get what.
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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 17, 2014, 12:22:19 am »
自己钻牛角尖了,死不承认。

No, It's not the business about real USD.

bytemaster,now you would like to send me 25 PTS,or 23PTS and 2PTS to some Interpreter.

alt又把人绕进去了,变成先鸡生蛋还是先蛋生鸡的问题了。

很简单。其实,只要系统强制要求BTA必须按与当时实物A价格挂钩的方法,规定用法币在系统外或系统本身设置的接口兑换取得BTA,系统内BTA数量是有限的(从小到大)。这样,没人会拿用真金白银买到的BTA出过高的价格买你的天价BTS,更不会出现所说的上亿个无抵押BTA。BTS是系统内已有的(也是有成本的),BTA是外来的(不是凭空产生的,而是用法币买的),alt推论的前提不成立,推理无立足点,结论自然错了。


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General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 17, 2014, 12:20:42 am »
没人翻译吗?12小时后我自己来。

bytemaster,now you would like to send me 25 PTS,or 23PTS and 2PTS to some Interpreter.

alt又把人绕进去了,变成先鸡生蛋还是先蛋生鸡的问题了。

很简单。其实,只要系统强制要求BTA必须按与当时实物A价格挂钩的方法,规定用法币在系统外或系统本身设置的接口兑换取得BTA,系统内BTA数量是有限的(从小到大)。这样,没人会拿用真金白银买到的BTA出过高的价格买你的天价BTS,更不会出现所说的上亿个无抵押BTA。BTS是系统内已有的(也是有成本的),BTA是外来的(不是凭空产生的,而是用法币买的),alt推论的前提不成立,推理无立足点,结论自然错了。

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current price is 1000usd/bts

here is the buy order:
buy 1000 usd with 1bts
buy 1001 usd with  1bts
buy 1002 usd with 1bts
.....
buy 1100 usd with 1bts

anytime I can give a buy order with
buy 1000000000 usd with 1bts
And I can give a short with
short 10000000000 usd with 1bts

So there is a line of people each wanting to buy about 1000 usd for 1 bts ....
And along comes someone who wants to sell 1000,0000 usd for 1 bts....

Assuming he actually had this usd (ie it was a long/long sale) then the market should match him against all of the buys (4103 usd), give the seller his .0001 bts and earn 3.999 bts in fees for the network because the seller was an idiot and sold way below market.   

Now in the event of a short position the result of this move should be...

Buyers get 4103 usd and the short seller ends up short -4103 with collateral of 4 bts (from buyers) + .0001 bts (from himself) which would seem to justify a margin call immediately... thus  I need to adjust the short-sell code to always use the price of the bids to determine required collateral (bts) or this kind of abuse could carry on.

Let me look into it a tad more and if it pans out I will send 25 PTS your way for finding this.

The individual who found the issue should receive the 23 pts and an interpreter should get 2 pts...  let me know who should get what.

724
General Discussion / Re: BitShares X Status Update
« on: February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm »
bytemaster,now you would like to send me 25 PTS,or 23PTS and 2PTS to some Interpreter.

alt又把人绕进去了,变成先鸡生蛋还是先蛋生鸡的问题了。

很简单。其实,只要系统强制要求bta必须按与当时实物a价格挂钩的方法,规定用法币在系统外或系统本身设置的接口兑换取得bta,这样bta数量是有限的(随时间推移从小到大)。因此,没人会拿用真金白银买到的bta出过高的价格买你的天价BTS,更不会出现所说的上亿个无抵押bta。BTS是系统内已有的(也是有成本的),bta是外来的(不是凭空产生的,而是用法币买的),alt推论的前提不成立,推理无立足点,结论自然错了。

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current price is 1000usd/bts

here is the buy order:
buy 1000 usd with 1bts
buy 1001 usd with  1bts
buy 1002 usd with 1bts
.....
buy 1100 usd with 1bts

anytime I can give a buy order with
buy 1000000000 usd with 1bts
And I can give a short with
short 10000000000 usd with 1bts

So there is a line of people each wanting to buy about 1000 usd for 1 bts ....
And along comes someone who wants to sell 1000,0000 usd for 1 bts....

Assuming he actually had this usd (ie it was a long/long sale) then the market should match him against all of the buys (4103 usd), give the seller his .0001 bts and earn 3.999 bts in fees for the network because the seller was an idiot and sold way below market.   

Now in the event of a short position the result of this move should be...

Buyers get 4103 usd and the short seller ends up short -4103 with collateral of 4 bts (from buyers) + .0001 bts (from himself) which would seem to justify a margin call immediately... thus  I need to adjust the short-sell code to always use the price of the bids to determine required collateral (bts) or this kind of abuse could carry on.

Let me look into it a tad more and if it pans out I will send 25 PTS your way for finding this.

725
中文 (Chinese) / Re: 鲨鱼池作品:Bitshare Girl
« on: February 09, 2014, 12:19:51 am »
bitgirl对应众多各不相同的个体girl资产,不可行。不像bitgold、bitcny等单一资产。可按照资产交易规模设置bit资产,应该主要有主要国家货币、金银、石油、粮食、股指、比特币等。

726
2014-01-26 17:07:18   PZAURigRC4qMYenw1XTHgT7UHhRKq8P72u   tx   1,000.0 PTS
土豪又出山了

727

质疑BTS交易平台存在价值的最核心问题是,比特资产与实物资产价值无法锚定,使之沦为纯粹对赌工具,失去了存在价值。

思之再三,终于发现比特资产与实物资产价值锚定的本质:比特资产锚定实物资产价值的基本手段是抵押机制的实施。

举例如下:抵押2倍于当时具有1盎司黄金价格的1BTS创建1BTGOLD,那这1BTGOLD的价值就锚定了1盎司黄金的价值,这无疑会得到所有人的认可。这1BTGOLD不会沦为1BT土豆,假如1BT土豆锚定的是1㎏土豆,而创建1㎏土豆只需抵押0.01BTS。除非所有人都疯了。

此贴兼作对下文的回答-----PTS: 美丽的泡沫
http://8btc.com/thread-1419-1-1.html

抵押是实现锚定的手段,本质是整个系统可以支持参与者就某标的物的价值达成市场共识。


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本质在于抵押机制,市场共识由于抵押而产生,没有抵押根本不能保证市场共识。

728
MY A:关于BTS平台上比特资产与实物资产价值锚定的本质https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=2589.0

729
我有如下问题:
比特资产由bitshare担保,bitshare由投入整个系统的资产决定,那么整个系统的资产具体指什么?

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系统资产是随着使用系统人数、时间、资金的增加而不断增加的。

730
质疑BTS交易平台存在价值的最核心问题是,比特资产与实物资产价值无法锚定,使之沦为纯粹对赌工具,失去了存在价值。

思之再三,终于发现比特资产与实物资产价值锚定的本质:比特资产锚定实物资产价值的基本手段是抵押机制的实施。

举例如下:抵押2倍于当时具有1盎司黄金价格的1BTS创建1BTGOLD,那这1BTGOLD的价值就锚定了1盎司黄金的价值,这无疑会得到所有人的认可。这1BTGOLD不会沦为1BT土豆,假如1BT土豆锚定的是1㎏土豆,而创建1㎏土豆只需抵押0.01BTS。除非所有人都疯了。

此贴兼作对下文的回答-----PTS: 美丽的泡沫
http://8btc.com/thread-1419-1-1.html

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 谈集资AGS的市场反应跟认同度
« on: January 25, 2014, 03:11:27 am »
PTS、BTC募捐集资各占一半,那3I公司悬赏为什么只用PTS,而不是PTS、BTC各占一半,难道只是为了维持BTC的价格、打压PTS的价格?目的何在?

732
AGS不能变现,只能长线。何来短线之说?

733
应该是前者准确。可对照https://coinplorer.com/PTS/Addresses/PaNGELmZgzRQCKeEKM6ifgTqNkC4ceiAWw

734
今天兑换比例有点亏吧

735
中文 (Chinese) / Re: BTS = AGS+PTS, 3I公司直接取走50%
« on: January 15, 2014, 07:58:57 am »
建议你有空翻翻关于最开始为什么提出AGS。是为了把大量浪费在租服务器挖矿上面的钱用于DAC的开发。PTS持有者在BTS的份额也从10%提高到50%,而AGS发放给第三方的研发者和市场宣传者,他们有权选择持有pts还是继续捐赠获得AGS, 也就是BTS的分配方式从矿工的收入变成了研发者和市场推动者的收入,来提高PTS的价值。就算你是超大矿工,你的PTS还是只能兑换10%的BTS, 你愿意在现在的这种难度下继续发矿获得BTS么?你能比现在的50%还多?我没觉得你说的这种“盗挖”损害了任何一方的利益,不管是投资者,矿工还是外包的研发者。

1,他的理由不用“是为了把大量浪费在租服务器挖矿上面的钱用于DAC的开发”,简而言之就是“缺钱”。他哪天一拍脑门想个理由就能改规则,这游戏怎么玩?其实这个我忍了,真的。

2,我当然知道pts的权益有10%提高到50%。请参照我另外一贴,集资额太大了,盗挖50%太多了。他改规则之前,那一部分是不属于他的。你可以想象如下2步,1)他说总量不是2000w了,改400w,还有200w没挖,你们权益由10%提到50%,皆大欢喜。2)他接着说,没挖的200w全是我自己的,你们不能挖了。第一点对大家机会是均等的,反正都没开挖,减少的1600w不属于任何人的,大家持有的都涨5倍。第二点就太tricky了,你应该懂吧。

你说我们赚了,因为持有的权益由10%提高到50%。我再问,为什么不是提高到60%,70%,80%,90%?正如我所说,他集资太多,盗挖太多,如果AGS只占10%,你的权益就能提高到90%,那你就能有更多的权益。这个比例嘛,也是他一拍脑门想出来的吧,有什么根据?其实他是说,我就要拿走一半。

你可能说集资越多对他发展更有利,但如果钱够了,再多也是没用的,坏的方案只会让人犯罪。我说说好的方案吧,比如集资20w个AGS(市值有千万了,还不够?),余下180w未分配,设立一下条件,beta版出来可以继续集资20w,20w用来未来10年给员工分红(一年2w个),诸如此类。这样既对它们发展有利,又使他们有动力干活。

手贱,还是回了一贴,哎。。。

【你说我们赚了,因为持有的权益由10%提高到50%。】PTS持有者的权益未变,本来BTS挖矿的50%归PTS持有者。

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