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+1 to the entire thread, I've complained about this many times.   My favorite of course is the "GET YOUR BITSHARE X WALLET HERE" thread posted on February 28th and still lacking the actual headline subject.  I don't think its sticky'd any longer though

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=3291.0

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General Discussion / Re: Siren Music
« on: May 24, 2014, 01:44:13 pm »
I think you'll find critique is not welcome from the community here, and providing any will make you the enemy.

So enjoy that.

This is why I don't understand you Adam.  You know I welcome critique and debate and yet you post things like this.

Bytemaster != the community. I know you do, Dan. But your father doesn't.

Indeed, I was talking about the community that defends you, not you.

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General Discussion / Re: Siren Music
« on: May 23, 2014, 11:12:59 pm »
If DPOS fails we can always use POW with miner rewards paid from dividends as was the very initial plan back when BTS X was just "bitshares"

That's actually exactly the point, we could have started with that and would have had the product long since out for testing, ideation and expansion.  Do you think it was better to do it in the order performed?

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LottoShares / Re: Honoring AGS
« on: May 23, 2014, 11:11:22 pm »
and this community IS large

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Most Online Today: 117. Most Online Ever: 373 (December 05, 2013, 11:28:00 PM) [/color] 

Are sure you invested in AGS/PTS?  It's almost as if you want to see this fail and would take great pleasure in it.

I take no pleasure in this, it's just stressful.  It sucks that desperate people delude themselves, and it sucks that it makes them unhappy when their distortion is corrected.   It's better to look at the reality of the situation than what you wish it were because it would be better for you.    Since day one I've advised expectation management, but they can't or won't do it.   

What is the primary value of honoring the social contract?  The community.  If Invictus had cultivated an ecosystem that would be a fair trade, but looking around that isn't what happened.  Sorry if this is news to you, I wish it wasn't so blindingly obvious to me.  I'm not that smart, this isn't that hard.

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LottoShares / Re: Honoring AGS
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:50:49 pm »
Yeah its usually like 50/50 guests/registered users

I'm just saying, don't kid yourself - Compared to other communities out there PTS and AGS are very very centralized, most of all with Invictus holding hundreds of thousands of protoshares.

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Meta / Re: Feature Request: Ignore User
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:44:04 pm »
Thank you

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LottoShares / Re: Honoring AGS
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:41:09 pm »
and this community IS large

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Most Online Today: 117. Most Online Ever: 373 (December 05, 2013, 11:28:00 PM) [/color] 

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LottoShares / Re: Honoring AGS
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:23:10 pm »
Very cool! Good job. Thoughts:
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3) Not honoring AGS
 

#3 - please consider AGS! It makes the difference between begrudging and enthusiastic support from the bitshares community. I think the community support may be worth taking 1/4th of the planned dev premine.

It is funny how smart people like Nicokai ( **toast**) can easily be lead into wrong thought process and believes.

Here is the simple truth:
Invictus came and said –“The social consensus is AGS should be honored at least 10%”
-First it is not a social consensus it is just private party saying something (i.e. there is no consensus)

-Second it is pretty contradictory/illogical statement – donate X amount to us/me, and expect somebody else to give you shares for this gesture.

-Third, I3 took the AGS money and said they will use it to develop the DAC industry, instead later on they said – “Now that we have the money, we will keep them AS A BACK UP for our salaries for 12 mo.” Even that in those 12 mo. the donor/investors expect(ed) a lot of DACs coming and producing money for those developers salaries…

-Forth, The only logical reason left  to honor AGS holders is for marketing purposes. But this audience is already reached by honoring PTS. There is a very small % of people donating to AGS only through BTC. More than 90% of AGS donors do it through some combination of BTC and PTS (The only notable exception I am aware of is Agent86 who does not have PTS account..., but then again I do not think Agent86 is a real person but rather a second  internet/forum handle  for a real person)

yep, it hasn't ever made sense to honor the social contract as currently defined and so in practice we see they don't.  Hopefully this will change once DPOS comes out since thats a wholly new underlying tech, but even then since its open source we're relying on the good will of project catalysts to honor it.   

This is one of the reasons it was so important to build the Bitshares community on these forums, but in practice we've seen activity go down over time so the reason to honor it now is even less than it was four months ago.

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Meta / Feature Request: Ignore User
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:19:46 pm »
Unless I'm mistaken, this feature is really lacking from the boards and I'd appreciate its implementation.

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Beyond Bitcoin [closed] / Re: A bit of a change . . .
« on: May 23, 2014, 06:18:31 pm »
It's the ecosystem that develops when you have the core of the project in an indefensible position (Bitshares has not performed to development spec or internal expectations), after the dissenters realized their voices were not being heard, left.

 What's left is a defensive guard that's stuck whether for ideological (don't understand the mechanics but like the words used to describe them and the idea it'll make them rich) or mechanical (All-in AGS investors who have 100% tied their investments financial future to whether Invictus delivers something worthwhile... or not)

I'm hoping when Invictus delivers there will be a rush of rational investors, but again that requires them to deliver.

Your whole problem is your assumption in motivations.  My motivations do not align 100% with that of Bitshares.  There are other motivations going on here that are not readily quantified.  You, ABL, being the pompous person you are, assume you know what motivates everyone.  You simply don't.  You do not know what motivates me.  You seem to think your invitation should have everyone jump all over it.

So what you do is blame it all on Bitshares, because you don't want to confront the fact that I personally don't particularly like you or want to get involved in a media project under your umbrella organization.   I probably should have worded it different originally, but I troll the trolls and you took the bait.  My apologize for starting out the negativity and sending it down this path. W

I have not put enough into Bitshares to spend that much of my life in it.  Yet you've been making this claim that all my decisions are about Bitshares, and because of that, I am irrational to not wish to work with LTB.  WHatever you want to tell yourself buddy..

These posts alone show why I wouldn't want to work with you.  I basically think to highly of myself.

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It's insulting that you haven't taken this away from my body of work, or the people I choose to share the platform with.   It's insulting you need me to explain this to you.

Oh yea, rule #88 in life.  Always know the history of Adam B Levine. Sorry Adam, we missed that one.  No, you're not exceptionally pompous.  Why would i ever question wanting to work on an LTB branded project?

Good grief.  I'll stop it here.

Who are you lol?  Did I *ever* talk to you before you attacked me?

I was interested, but I can't say I have much interest in working with stuff on LTB network. I was more interested in seeing a 100% independent media source that was not beholden to projects who put ads on the show.

You may not like my perspective on this project but I'd challenge you to support this statement.

When did I ever say or suggest I wanted to work with you?  What the hell are you even talking about?  This thread was just Arthur announcing a decision he made about a show he produces.  I am totally confused what your problem is outside of not liking me, which is obvious.

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Beyond Bitcoin [closed] / Re: A bit of a change . . .
« on: May 23, 2014, 04:31:25 pm »
lol.   Did you really say i'm a "businessman"?  You guys are hilarious.   

Whatever you need to say to make yourselves feel better!
How do u put food on the table adam?..my point is that people have to make a living.

Id love to have a better understanding but it seems I was left out of discussions so perhaps I am incorrect on my assessment.  If so please tell me why.


I've been living a monkish life for the last two years. I view LTB as a long term project and both don't want to take outside investors and have not sought to profit from it in the short term since I have a long term vision to achieve.  I'm well on my way to that but it's why the charge I sometimes get of "only talking to people who sponsor" is so funny - If that was true, there wouldn't have been more than 10 interviews the whole time :)    I built things in this way exactly because I'm not a businessman but instead am an evangelist for decentralization who has built a platform to empower everybody, and am proving the model so others can follow in our wake.

All the funds that've been earned through my work on LTB have been re-invested into this and other projects building platforms to empower people to do whatever they want if people want to validate them.  Between the web portal, deployable blog/store/Q&A system, and first generation iOS app we've put 30BTC into continuing to build the platform.   I do LTB because I think it's important to have the conversation and I've decided to leverage my success to help others achieve their own. 

It's insulting that you haven't taken this away from my body of work, or the people I choose to share the platform with.   It's insulting you need me to explain this to you.

Fuz, do you not remember that I not only suggested you do the community show, I suggested the name and invited you to my platform?   You said no.     I didn't exclude you, I just talked with Legend also when I listened to his work and thought it was worth highlighting.  I don't care who you are, I care about the quality of your work.   

Although if we're being frank, I did mention to him that your questioning of daniel on the recent episode came off as apologetic and sycophantic (not sure if that was my exact word) and that I thought the content Legend had created was more interesting because it was more challenging.  He's free to share the emails we exchanged, I think you'll find that I'm quite supportive of everyone and just as I offered that support to you so do I offer it to pretty much all people who I feel like would do good work with a bigger platform.   

All decisions made about the show at 100% his own, I didn't even suggest splitting up the show.

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Beyond Bitcoin [closed] / Re: A bit of a change . . .
« on: May 23, 2014, 03:05:01 pm »
 It's the ecosystem that develops when you have the core of the project in an indefensible position (Bitshares has not performed to development spec or internal expectations), after the dissenters realized their voices were not being heard, left.

 What's left is a defensive guard that's stuck whether for ideological (don't understand the mechanics but like the words used to describe them and the idea it'll make them rich) or mechanical (All-in AGS investors who have 100% tied their investments financial future to whether Invictus delivers something worthwhile... or not)

I'm hoping when Invictus delivers there will be a rush of rational investors, but again that requires them to deliver.

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General Discussion / Re: Siren Music
« on: May 23, 2014, 02:54:49 pm »
I think you'll find critique is not welcome from the community here, and providing any will make you the enemy.

So enjoy that.

Polite/technical critiques are highly valued.
Crude/ad-hominum critiques, not so much.

 :)

Is the OP Crude/ad-hominum?

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General Discussion / Re: Siren Music
« on: May 23, 2014, 01:43:24 pm »
I think you'll find critique is not welcome from the community here, and providing any will make you the enemy.

So enjoy that.

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Beyond Bitcoin [closed] / Re: A bit of a change . . .
« on: May 23, 2014, 01:42:05 pm »
Lets just remembers what happening here - I invited the Beyond Bitcoin show onto the LTB platform, and this is the response I get :)

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