Steem's unlimited range of topics appeals to an infinitely wider audience than BitSharesTalk and thus has the benefit of bringing new eyeballs to anything about BitShares posted there.
This includes new DEX users who have picked up a head of Steem and now want to know what other cool things you can do with it.
Kind of like Plutonium.
It's fortunate that those with intractably bitter attitudes want to stay here on BitSharesTalk where no one will see their posts and only positive, optimistic people want to move their constructive, forward thinking opinions into the bright, puffy cloud of Steem where snide comments quickly sink into oblivion. So it's a really beautiful, self-reinforcing Darwinian selection process.
No need to formally make such a group decision. It will sort itself out.
It is very much true that shady people who have one consistent trait of not following through with what they say they're going to do would prefer a site where they and their cohorts can bury any messages pointing this out.
Edit - It shows a lack of integrity to not speak of one's truth beliefs.
All he's done is work tirelessly, tirelessly for BitShares. He has tried to remain a source of optimism, enthuse and inspire the community consistently for years. He is not responsible for project failures and changes of necessity along the way. You would be hard pressed to find anyone with more integrity than Stan. It saddens me that more people who should know better do not realise that.
If you don't like Steem, don't go there but please realise.....for your sake.....that Steemit is BitShares. It took me a while to figure out too ) Steemit is one of the many ways we can increase the chance of BitShares decentralised market features reaching a wider audience and continue its development. Supporting Steemit is supporting BitShares. Consider that this may be a significant step to moving beyond an aggressive, often misrepresentative crypto only crowd. Blockchain tech desperately needs new minds.
I do have to ask, how do you think Steemit advances blockchain tech ? Give us a rundown on this?
IMO basically one could rewrite STEEMIT using a centralized database, but there would be no suckers to buy the tokens because they're not "crypto". THATS IT.
Am I missing something ?
This "all he is done" is bullshit. I had your attitude ~ 2 years ago and argued with a guy named Adam B Levine. He had quite a bit of history before me. While I do think he was carried away with hyperbole, (Suggesting Larimers owned 40%+ of BTS etc) I do think he had legitimate reasons for most everything he said. When these situations repeat themselves, perhaps you should step away and wonder what is really going on and learn from history.
Thats all I will say on this matter, out of respect to collateral damage to various hard working honest supporters. I feel like a dick both ways. Be honest and hurt people, say nothing and let people learn their lesson. "Voluntary shunning" is not that great if you let the next guy get screwed.
Steemit has the potential to enhance the conversation, to bring new ideas, new capital in. All of which increase the chance of further development.
You say my attitude is 'bullshit.' You are of course entitled to you're opinion. I believe in honesty, even if it hurts. But I don't believe in casual references to complex history, fraught with competing ideas, agendas and a multitude of challenges that then lead to an over-simplistic judgement against a man's integrity. Especially one that has deeply enhanced the community with his intellect, humour and optimism. With friends like these......!
I have no doubt that from your perspective, you feel Stan has over promised and under delivered. Fair enough, but that is certainly not a question of integrity from my perspective.
I never said your attitude was bullshit. (?) I said "Just stop the anti-dilution bullshit ... " This was a reference in what needs to happen to get BTS going forward without any active devs. Or just hope they do what they say. I get it. You're a nice guy. No doubt Bytemaster has put in a lot of hard work. There is no doubt BitShares wouldn't exist if not for him. I used to stand up for him too. These roles were reversed ~2 years ago when I was you fighting off what I felt was FUD.
It would have been real easy to continue with the social consensus. Do you remember that? It is what pulled in a lot of us, including myself. But no, it is another weird premine from Dan. Now they'd like the few active posters to go over to steemit. Well duh, but should we? You may want to go and I wish you the best experience possible on their site. Just not my thing and I don't want to see users poached for a project that shows no benefit to BTS outside of our wishful thinking.
Ok sorry, I misunderstood the bullshit comment. I didn't take it to heart anyway. I don't believe any of the objections to Steem or the motives of the Graphene devs or the status of the BitShares/Steem community or the configuration of native units in Steem are fud. I genuinely welcome the analysis (such as it is.....mine is certainly not very scientific) and the discourse around such topics. I simply believe I have an understanding of flow of events that have led to the launch of Steem. I chose to trust....because I think they've earned it....the core devs primarily and partners within the BitShares/Graphene economy. The reason I am part of the discussion is because I hope for a unity of purpose from within all our connected communities so that we can all be a part of all of the success that will come if we get it right.
Social consensus has failed in many respects which is presumably why it was abandoned in favour of other means to gather support and generate adequate incentives. I was a huge fan of the social consensus but I can accept it was flawed and have come around to the idea of trying new methods.
Don't forget that one of the purposes for the distribution (or apparent initial lack thereof) was to avoid any imperial entanglements. This may be of critical importance in the future.
The way I see it, there is no need for any division between BitShares and Steem from the perspective of the people involved....there is absolutely no them and us. I've been wrong about many things and will be again but that's the way I see it. I think Steem as a platform will be good for people in general, good for communities (not currently in crypto but need it) and good for BitShares. I know that you've been a staunch defender of everything we are talking about, heck, you've made greater efforts than I have to communicate, challenge and discuss. I also think I understand how you feel. All I can say is thank you gamey.