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General Discussion / Voting proposal
« on: November 29, 2014, 06:02:07 pm »
BTS pay developer and marketing salary by delegate pay in blockchain, it is a very great way.  but now the pay rate just can turn down cannot turn up.
so many delegate must set 100% pay rate delegate in first, but BTSer cannot know his work for BTS( exclude BM ,toast ,stan and svk, they done great work for BTS )
if we develop a new vote model let delegate not only turn down the pay rate, but turn up the pay rate also.
1.each delegate can set a pay rate same as current vote regular .
2. the different is  Btser should set a delegate pay rate when he vote a delegate.  and default is 3%.
3. if the pay rate vote by BTS stakeholder is high than pay rate set by delegate , this stakeholder voting is effective. as opposite, if the pay rate vote by BTS stakeholder is low than pay rate set by delegate ,this this stakeholder voting is invalid temporarily till lower pay rate set by delegate  , so delegate can set low pay let he have enough poll to top 101.

take a example
if Roy want to run a 100% pay rate delegate , some people think Roy is  worth for 100% pay rate ,but other people think ROY run a  50% pay rate delegate is OK . so there is  5% poll vote Roy as  100% pay rate , and  5% poll vote Roy as 50% pay rate. , so there is only 5% poll is effective. other 5% poll is ineffective because the pay rate vote by BTS stakeholder is lower than Roy set .

and now in BTS if delegate want to been in top 101 ,he must have  6% poll .
so Roy can turn down his delegate pay rate to 50%,  so his all pole is effective . he can been in top 101
three months pass. Roy do very good job for BTS . many people vote he as 100% pay rate delegate . there have 10 % poll vote Roy as 100% delegate in all , then Roy turn up his delegate pay rate to  100%.

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General Discussion / Classify asset in BTS by attribute
« on: November 24, 2014, 08:45:51 am »
 there are many asset in BTS now , it is a little difficult to find the asset ,though there have search function
suggest classify asset in BTS by attribute
1. Market currency , like Bitusd,Bitcny , bit-bitcoin
2. Market good      , like bit-gold
3. stock
4. amusement
5.++++

123
Technical Support / question about web_clients (help!!!)
« on: November 22, 2014, 03:57:02 pm »
I want to use web_client , and run bitshares_client as manual ,and bitshares_client have connection and sync  , but there is no connection in my web_clients ,and some error
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很多人反应投票后币不显示了,
由于BTS每次操作都会重新生成子密钥,所以需要重新扫描后才显示额度,
可以在钱包开启自动扫描功能 
 在命令行输入
wallet_set_transaction_scanning 1
然后等扫描完成后,就显示余额了

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General Discussion / Encourage transmit node?
« on: November 19, 2014, 04:25:51 am »
DPOS have resolved energy consume issue of POW, pay delegate salary have resolved of developer and marketing.
I also a little worry about there any 101 nodes can get pay , I don`t know if it is enough for connecting to BTS network in anywhere in this planet. do we need more transmit nodes? how to encourage translation nodes.

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General Discussion / Futures trade between BTS and bitusd
« on: November 17, 2014, 10:24:29 am »
suggeste open futures trade between BTS and bitusd  ,  it totally dffrent with BTS/bitusd PEG.
just same as futures trade in centralization exchange. but the diffrent is BTC/usd in exchange.  bts/bitusd in bts system
it is better if there is a centralization exchange support futures trade between bts and bitusd,

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Excuse me everybody ,my English is poor,but I try to express my views in international , so I hope my words can been understood
thank you.
 
why many people in the world praise BTC, I think one reason is that BTC is a low cost payment system. because of this reason partly, BTC become popular with people. actually the translation fee of BTC is expensive ,let me analyse , pay 25 btc to block producer (miner) per block. it is cost of this block. the average of translation per block of btc is about 500 now. so you can calculate  cost of per translation . now price of BTC is 323 usd. 323*25/500=16 usd, cost is expensive, but why translation fee is cheap ,I think the reason is translation cost is paid by dilution not  by sender of BTC.
 if we change the rule of btc, there is no dilution of btc, all 25 btc is collected from translation fee, it mean the translation fee is 16 usd ,each sender of btc have pay 16 usd for this translation. I think only few people think translation fee of btc is cheap and few people use it .
so we should create a system  encourage people to translation . let translation fee is cheap even close to zero. because  DPOS does`'t need to find lucky no. so we are much much better than btc about cost.
in the future, why people like pay using bitusd,  translation fee is cheap. stable value , etc. so if we set high translation fee, it will reduce attraction to end user. but more people use bitusd and more value of BTS.
So I think we should set translation fee close to zero to attract more end-user using bitusd . and gentle dilute BTS to pay delegate and developing
so I think gentle inflation is benefit to BTS

but there is only a hard-coded limit of 50 BTS per block (~6.3% annually), so in theory supply of BTS can increase infinitely , though BM said the only 20 delegate can get 100% pay rate. but there is`t a hard code to control the total supply of BTS.
as BM said we should consider 10 years developing of BTS. if consider the average pay rate of delegate is 25%. the dilution of BTS is same as now model in 8.8 years
this have enough bts to using developing and marketing.  and there is a max supply of bts is 3.2 b forever .
I think people hate to invest something uncertainty. it is so difficult to introduce BTS without max supply limited  to new investor . though fact is the real dilution is lower to 3% per year. the max is
~8% per year. so no one know the max supply of bts. I don`t know why not set a top ceiling.

how about this model
the max supply of BTS is 3.9 billion , max pay rate is 50 BTS per block to delegate  till the supply of BTX is up to 3.2 billion , max pay rate reduce to 25 bts per block if supply of bts between 3.2 billion to 3.55 billion,so:
supply of bts                                max pay per block               how many year it will take if 100% pay                 how many year it will take if 25% pay   
2.5 billion to 3.2 billion                            50                                       ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years
3.2 billion to 3.55 billion                          25                                       ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years
3.55 billion to 3.725 billion                      12.5                                    ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years
3.725 billion to 3.8125 billion                  6.25                                    ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years=
+++                                                        6.25/2       
...............................

so the max supply of bts is limited to 3.9 billion
compare with BTC , max supply is 21M, and current supply is 13.4M, the totally dilution =21/13.45-1=56%          ,the max supply of bts is 3.9 B, and current supply is 2.5 B ,  the totally dilution=3.9/2.5-1=56%   , some dilution .
the figure show if the pay rate is 25% , situation of 50 bts per block can keep 18 years.
so there are much space to reduce the max dilution ,  if set the max supply of BTS is 3.2 billion ,the totally dilution =3.2/2.5-1=28% , it is half than BTC
if we set the max supply of BTS is 3.2 billion
then dilution model as follow:
supply of bts                                max pay per block               how many year it will take if 100% pay                 how many year it will take if 25% pay   
2.5 billion to 2.85 billion                            50                                         ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years
2.85 billion to 3.025 billion                          25                                       ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years
3.025 billion to 3.1125 billion                      12.5                                    ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years
3.1125 billion to 3.15625 billion                  6.25                                    ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years

the total dilution only is half of BTC.   but also have enough BTS to attract and encourage join us

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中文 (Chinese) / 为什么温和的通胀对系统有利
« on: November 04, 2014, 09:28:11 am »
还有用BTC模式来类比说明吧,很多名人都赞美BTC是一个好的支付系统,很重要的一个原因就是BTC是一个低成本的支付系统,也就说BTC的交易费用很低,在网络空闲的时候是0交易费用,在网络繁忙的时候是0.0001BTC 也相当于2毛的的交易费用。但实际上BTC的交易费用真这么低吗,我来分析一下,现在每个块支付给BTC的矿工的维护费用是25BTC,当然还加上少量的交易手续费直接从交易上收取的。那么就相当于每块至少支付了25BTC的成本费给矿工,而现在BTC的每块的交易数大约是500笔左右。所以每笔的交易的成本费=25*2000/500=100元左右,的确花费了这么多的成本给了矿工,但为什么BTC的交易费还这么便宜呢,BTC支付成本的方式是通过增发BTC来实现的,而不是从交易者者中收取的。这样的低成本才让BTC获得了非常多的关注。
那么如果我们改了一下BTC的规则,让25BTC的费用全部从交易费中出,那是一个怎么样的结果,结果是每笔交易的交易费在100人民币,那不是比中国的银行还黑吗,如果真这样,我想BTC也不会吸引这么多人去关注。
同样对于BTS也是一样,BTS要想有价值,必须要吸引足够多的人使用bitusd/bitcny。越多人用bitusd/bitcny那么多BTS的价格就越高。什么能吸引人们用Bitusd呢,除了无区域限制,价值稳定外,还有一个很重要的原因是支付费用便宜,甚至零成本。实际上终端用户可能甚至不知道BTS是什么,他们更关注使用BITUSD支付是不是费用更低。和BTC同样的道理,用温和的通胀去支付代表费用和开发费用。收很少或者0交易费用。BTS是股份,实际上问题就变成了,选择是否同意股份被稀释一部分可以换来更多人使用bitusd让BTS的总市值大增加。我宁愿选择股份被稀释一点。总价值大大增加。
相反,如果收取比较高的手续费去支付代表和开发费用,BTS股份没有被稀释,但系统对终端用户的吸引力下降了。

建议应该有一个总量上限,不能被每年稀释,这个问题在英文社区也提了好多次,大家也可以去顶我的帖子
I think people hate to invest something uncertainty. it is so difficult to introduce BTS without max supply limited  to new investor . though fact is the real dilution is lower to 3% per year. the max is
~8% per year. so no one know the max supply of bts. I don`t know why not set a top ceiling.

how about this model
the max supply of BTS is 3.9 billion , max pay rate is 50 BTS per block to delegate  till the supply of BTX is up to 3.2 billion , max pay rate reduce to 25 bts per block if supply of bts between 3.2 billion to 3.55 billion,so:
supply of bts                                max pay per block               how many year it will take if 100% pay                 how many year it will take if 25% pay   
2.5 billion to 3.2 billion                            50                                       ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years
3.2 billion to 3.55 billion                          25                                       ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years
3.55 billion to 3.725 billion                      12.5                                    ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years
3.725 billion to 3.8125 billion                  6.25                                    ~4.5 years                                                                      ~18 years=
+++                                                        6.25/2       
...............................

so the max supply of bts is limited to 3.9 billion
compare with BTC , max supply is 21M, and current supply is 13.4M, the totally dilution =21/13.45-1=56%          ,the max supply of bts is 3.9 B, and current supply is 2.5 B ,  the totally dilution=3.9/2.5-1=56%   , some dilution .
the figure show if the pay rate is 25% , situation of 50 bts per block can keep 18 years.
so there are much space to reduce the max dilution ,  if set the max supply of BTS is 3.2 billion ,the totally dilution =3.2/2.5-1=28% , it is half than BTC
if we set the max supply of BTS is 3.2 billion
then dilution model as follow:
supply of bts                                max pay per block               how many year it will take if 100% pay                 how many year it will take if 25% pay   
2.5 billion to 2.85 billion                            50                                         ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years
2.85 billion to 3.025 billion                          25                                       ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years
3.025 billion to 3.1125 billion                      12.5                                    ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years
3.1125 billion to 3.15625 billion                  6.25                                    ~2.2 years                                                                      ~8.8 years

the total dilution only is half of BTC.   but also have enough BTS to attract and encourage join us

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Somebody is runing a delegate ,but always spread unfavourable news in chinese community.
I write this not because I hate someone say bad news , not because I want to catch someone pigtail.
I just don`t konw how to accept this situation.

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中文 (Chinese) / 为这个社区做出什么贡献才机会做代表呢
« on: October 30, 2014, 05:11:17 am »
等到AGS fund 用完了后, 所有的支出都要从代表收入中支出,哪些个体/团队可以成为代表呢.

1.开发者:    虚拟货币是技术创新,当然开发也是最重要的一环,所以在初期开发者应该在代表中占最大份额.
2.市场人士:     市场推广是大规模开发后最重要的一环,那么市场人士被选为代表的可能性也很高.
3.BTS大股东/股东团体:    大股东可以给自己投票,当然当代表是水到渠成.
4.交易所:    交易所在推广方面也是功不可抹,尤其是初期,所以交易所做代表也是理所当然. 如果OKcoin明天上BTS交易,我立马把票全投他.
5.bitusd/bitcny 承兑商:    承兑商是法币和锚地货币之间的桥梁,所以是BTS生态非常重要的一环.
6.BTS宣传媒体/发言人:    和市场人士一样宣传BTS,及时更新开发进度,社区动态,在初期对BTS来说太重要了.
7.资产发布者:    发布资产可以活跃内盘交易.同样为系统生态做了贡献.
8.全球各社区团队/独立个人/自由主义者:    比如大华语区,欧洲,美洲的社区团队也应该从代表中领工资.从而更好地服务社区.
9.慈善团队:    BTS的全球支付能力和非TITAN帐号的公开帐本让慈善变得低成本.
10.监督机构:     会不会有一天美国证监会也会来争取一个代表的席位呢.
11.传统金融机构:     传统金融机构,花旗,摩根大通都开始争取做代表之日,也就是BTS 500刀之时. 如果一切发展顺利,预计10年后他们会占很大份额.

++++++

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中文 (Chinese) / 这对父子真的很逗比也很可爱
« on: October 26, 2014, 04:31:43 am »
从前一对逗比得父子,让大家帮他干活,承诺用10个盒子装上财富分给大家,当他们把第一个盒子的财富分发给大家之后,这对逗比的父子发现造盒子是个重复的工作,所有的财富本来可以装在一个盒子里的。而且光造盒子也要花非常多的钱。这对父子真的很逗比,本来可以用一个盒子装的,当初说什么十个盒子呢?
这对父子本来可以同样将其他九个盒子分给大家,因为当初没有承诺每个盒子里装多少财富。所以每个盒子里装一点点财富或者干脆空盒子,也这样没有违背当初的承诺。虽然大家得到的财富都少了很多,但大家都开心啊,因为有些聪明人就喜欢空盒啊。
可是这对父子很逗比。要把用于造9个造盒子的钱和本来一部分属于自己的财富都装一个盒子里分给大家,这样让大家得的最多财富。
这对父子真该骂。明明说好了的10个盒子,现在只有一个盒子了。
真是个骗子,违背承诺。打倒这对父子,让他们名誉扫地吧。

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前提:
1.不考虑任何交易成本
2.不考虑任何捐献高低不同的成本
3.认为III有能力开放后续集成在BTS中的DAC
名称解释:
2.28后PTS/AGS                                            2.28号前捐献并且被2.28快照后的AGS和2.28号以后捐献的AGS
当前的PTS/AGS                                             当前时间点的PTS 和AGS
newBTSX/newDNS / newVOTE / new后续DAC                 新的super DAC 提供的BTSX/DNS/VOTE/后续DAC 功能

原来共识
2.28后PTS/AGS=10% (DNS+VOTE+后续DAC)       
当前PTS/AGS=10% (后续DAC)

DNS和VOTE 的权益应该是 2.28后到快照日之间的价值差值。 DNS/VOTE=PTS/AGS(2.28后)-PTS/AGS(当前)

现在的分配方案是:
BTS=newBTSX+newDNS +newVOTE +new后续DAC

DNS/VOTE=3%(BTS)=3%(newBTSX+newDNS +newVOTE +new后续DAC)=3%newBTSX +3%newDNS+3%newVOTE+3%new后续DAC

当前的PTS/AGS=7%(BTS)=7%(newBTSX+newDNS +newVOTE +new后续DAC)

那么2.28后的AGS/PTS是不是满足 分配10%+10%共识呢,

AGS/PTS(2.28后)=DNS/VOTE +PTS/AGS(当前)=3%newBTSX +3%newDNS+3%newVOTE+3%new后续DAC +7%(newBTSX+newDNS +newVOTE +new后续DAC)=10%newBTSX +10%newDNS+10% newvote+10% newvote+10%new后续DAC = 10% BTSX +10%(除开BTSX外的所有 new后续DAC)
结论完全满足共识,而是还多分了10% BTSX

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中文 (Chinese) / 钱包不能更新的特二解决办法
« on: August 28, 2014, 01:04:15 pm »
1.注册一个代表。
2.开启代表出块权限 wallet_delegate_set_block_production 代表名 true。
更新速度杠杆的

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如果把BTSX比作一个公司,把代表比喻为公司的执行董事,现在需要101个董事,全体股东投票选101个董事, 有两种规则,一种是每个股东可选1个董事.还有一种是每个股东可以选101个董事, 最后票数前101的候选人当选.
比较这两种方法在数学上没有什么本质的区别, 在操作上呢, 每张选票选一个董事方便于考察董事,而每张选票选101个董事似乎不方便考察,但如果系统给了一个董事的评分系统(BTSX的出块稳定率),这样一来考察董事能力也很方便了.所以操作上没有什么本质区别.
但这两种方式究竟有什么不同呢?
如果一票只选一个,股东很有可能直接从董事得到回馈;
如果一票选101个董事,股东基本上很难直接从董事的到回馈.
下面结果可能的两种情况
一票一选,
董事拉票,回馈选择自己的股东, 股东投票看董事回馈多于董事能力,  公司效益一直不好,股票价格大跌,股东虽然得到董事为拉票得到少量回馈,但股票价格下跌损失惨重.
一票101选,
股东投票看董事能力,基本不可能得到董事回馈, 但由于选出来的董事都是能力强的, 公司效益很好,股票大涨, 股东虽然没有直接从董事那里得到好处,但股票大涨的好处大大多于前者.

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if we want to send some BTSX to new user , we have to add his address to local contact first. but many names have been registered on block chain. we have to try many times to find the registered name .
Is there any reserve zone of name for local using ,like prefix of special character as the reserve character for local contact name .

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