Friday night I get to ask the Mastercoin / Ethereum guys some questions about their metalayers and I would like to know what you all think is the most compelling argument  for or against their solutions.  What questions can I ask them that will 'stump' them?   What do you think the Let's Talk Bitcoin audience would like me to challenge them on?

I think the only thing can  'stump' them is  launching BTS , 

Quote from: CLains on January 22, 2014, 09:44:52 pm

There are two open doc logs tracking the Angel Account Transactions.

One for BTC and one for PTS.

I suggest the larger community is given more insight into the overall plan for allocation of these resources. I think an open discussion on this topic will benefit us all, not just in the name of transparency and healthy curiosity: Spending the amount of money flowing into AGS is difficult and requires the kind of creativity a forum discussion may help provide. What do you guys think?

If this is discussed elsewhere I recant everything.

You are watching that plan develop in real time, right before your very eyes.  Every new piece of the plan is vetted right here on the forum, often within minutes of our nailing it down in our own minds. 

We are constantly combing the forum for suggestions to incorporate in the plan. 

What you suggest is exactly what we are doing.   

May add the  Bounties Thread link  in the doc is better

Quote from: BTSdac on January 21, 2014, 03:24:42 am

Quote from: HackFisher on January 14, 2014, 10:46:40 am

Quote from: yangyinzd on January 14, 2014, 10:14:36 am

3）这竞拍方案要多脑残（多精明）才能想出来。3I公司完全可以自己重复投入PTS去继续摊薄每个PTS能换到的AGS，反正他自己投入全部都能自己拿回来。不要跟我说什么相信3I公司的话，参照我开始说的，他完全可以设计一个好的规则防止人变坏，不是弄个这么烂的规则引人犯罪。

第三点，3I承诺账务透明，并保证Angel Address的PTS不会直接投向Angel Address，我觉得做到这一点还好，问题不大。因为bytemaster也基本上承诺了这一点， http://www1.agsexplorer.com/ 上面有Fund Usage供大家监督。

也不是说我觉得募资了IPO就一定非得账务公开，主要原因是由于这种募资方式的缺陷导致的，想绕也绕不开。 我绝对不反对工资开高一点，或者什么方面多花一点，这个跟最终项目成功比起来微不足道，何况我也管不着，我说的只是AGS这一部分需要这样做。

我前前后后 捐献了BTC,得到了大约600个AGS,虽然量很少,但稍微有点不安, 
捐赠和股票区别太大了, 我开始再去读了一下AGS的捐赠
最大的问题并不是工资开的高不高,烧钱不烧钱的问题,

AGS的用途根本就没有说明白,漏洞有点大,
各位捐赠者谨慎些吧,
当然我更希望3I能明确AGS的用途和权益,这样会吸引更多的人捐赠.

能详细说说你的不安以及AGS的漏洞么？

我疑问是为什么AGS 会用于KEYHOTEE的支出,
通过询问,得到一个比较合理的答案

Keyhotee is part of the BitShares ecosystem infrastructure.   While serving its primary function as a secure way to interact with people and DACs, it will also serve to draw in new customers.  Keyhotee is intended to go viral as every user encourages their frequent correspondents to use the tool for privacy.  If everybody recruits just three friends who recruit three friends who recruit three friends... it spreads around the world.

Then all of those users learn about the new free world of unmanned companies.

So it is part infrastructure and part marketing ... both clearly valid uses of AGS donations which grow the value proposition for all stakeholders.

KEYHOTEE 作为BTS的基础框架

Today I was pulled off of BitShares X development to focus on marketing and preps for Miami.   You can check out my latest updates to invictus.io here:

http://invictus.io/

Tell me what you think of the updated website.

how many developer are working for BTS
AGS received  a lot of PTS & BTC, should hire more developer for BTS.
AGS fund spend some PTS/BTS on Keyhotee,  can you clarify the relationship between AGS and Keyotee?

Quote from: yangyinzd on January 15, 2014, 02:27:24 am

我只是提醒你，pts跟btc的区别没你说的“货币跟股票的区别”那么大。特别是股票，跟广义狭义无关，你要区分我说的分红认证跟股票的区别，别误导了论坛上面的人。

我之前就说，他创业者就是应该面对公众的质询的。我投资成功了就获利一点点，他成功了可以退休了，他付出多点不是应该的？我风格是短线一点，但其实你看我最质疑3I公司的是他的做法问题，本质上是跟短线长线无关的。就算我随便想想，都能想到比他这样集资好n倍的方案，既对他长线发展有利，又对投资pts的人有更大的保障，而不是像现在完全有利于他们的条款。

你们怎么老不懂呢，我是为你们鸣不平，就算他未来发展再好，不跟你分享成果也是没用的。

现在获得的捐赠承诺是都发出去，不发出去有一万张嘴会去质疑。公司的人一样要去挖pts, 去买ags, 怎么成功就退休了？我作为公司外的人，我没看到ags哪里有助于公司的条款。

您有什么好n倍的方案，很想学习。

公司发展再好还没跟你分成果？这么多PTS都是大众开个电脑挖出来的，白给公司未来的股份，不想分享还不简单，做成ripple的样子。或者想MSC, 不花钱的没份。这样还不算分享成果还要怎样？获得捐赠也是用于开发和宣传提高PTS价值，自己不留钱，这样不算分享你还要哪样，把AGS分给你得了。

捐了一些BTC得到一些AGS, 稍微有些不安,感觉3I很多东西没有说清楚, 我想这也是AGS捐赠量下降的原因之一吧, (我说BTC捐赠量, )
希望3I能把AGS的用途说清楚,  AGS捐赠应该只能用于一切和AGS捐赠者有利益的项目上,但好像3I没有这个承诺吧,
你是管理员,希望你可以3I的人沟通沟通,这样既是原有捐赠者的交待,也是可以吸引更好看好3I的捐赠者

All those who donated before 25th December gets roughly 1.9 AGS/PTS.

any this relationship?, but spend some AGS donation money on keyhotee developer

Quote from: bytemaster on January 20, 2014, 06:00:43 am

If someone would like to volunteer to distribute test BTS while I am off line let me know so I can give you a wad.

My BTS test address: HZALzeYWRUVeGAdqCbkxCYanfpL
Please give me some for testing, I could also help distribute when I could access internet, thanks.

How did you get the BTS testing adress

AGS 越来越捐的人少 ，不得不说3I，是一个营销高手，开始宣传很大，很多人捐 ，现在捐的人越来越少了，而且竞标的方式有点博弈的味道，  现在是招牌打的不错 ，至于是不是好酒，等待产品的检验，，
有很多人黑很正常 ，也是好事。如果大家都看好就要小心了，
3I既然接受了捐赠就应该接受这些。