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General Discussion / Re: If you want to know.....
« on: October 23, 2014, 06:24:52 pm »
Maybe in the mumble hangout tomorrow there can be a live chinese translator translating what is said?  Big Chinese whales could ask questions and have the translator translate them and have them answered etc.  It would slow the conversation down a bit, but worth it if it means everyone understands why the merge is happening.  Q n A with China needed.

i will spread the news there and see if someone is willing do the translation job. 9am est is a good time for chinese.

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General Discussion / If you want to know.....
« on: October 23, 2014, 06:03:01 pm »
these days i've spent a lot of time talking with many bts investors around Chinese community (some of them are big whales, i mean, the real big ones), and watching them discussing the proposal and the future of bts. before doing that i thought it would help me make a desicion to leave or stay, but i get more confused.

here are what i get based on my observation:

about the merge:
nearly half of them say yes, they think it will bring bts to a higher stander.
the rest who say no think what the heck bm is really trying to do, the reasons are just not reasonable.
my opinion: i support the merge, but just the merge.

about the allocation:
obviously the opinions on the 7 7 3 3 allocation vary much and mainly depend on their interest. the funny thing is most of them wonder why there are many better proposals which seem to be more fair but just get ignored.
my opinion: 80 for x is too much.

about the dns:
at first they thought toast was the inside trader and fuxxed everybody up, later they felt sorry for him after seeing his statement. but really, some people lost MUCH.
my opinion: toast, be easy.

about the future dacs:
like what marswalker said in another thread, they want to see 3i states that they recommend/suggest ags/pts still be honored. or at least, an attitude.
my opinion: i just hope there are no stupid 3rd party developers in the world, and 3i clearly know that it is the donators that help build the fondation.

about the dilution and vesting period:
nearly all of them don't know where the inflations come from and go, i have to explain to them one by one. most of them thought the vesting time proposal needs to be reviewed.
my opion: if the high paid delegates can be under controlled, i am ok with that.


again, these are just the voice i heard(and also mine), not mathematical statistic.

my conclusion:
many investors will left if 3i failed to handle the mess well. some of them will even turn to be the enemies against which 3i will never wants to fight (trust me, i am not kidding).

3i needs a very good pr to bring the messages to the community and outside world. the communication is a big problem.

if the merged dac works well, many new comers will still be joining in, but before that happens, please make this story sound good.

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General Discussion / Re: BitShares Mail
« on: October 23, 2014, 07:12:22 am »
A complete e-commerce system with everything you need to live your e-life completely in Free Space.
lol .. we started with a wallet ... went over to a trading platform and are now going towards a e-commerce system ..
what's next?

Buy NASA, TO DA MOON ?


Anyway, anyone knows how to configure a mail server ?


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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Allocation for Merger
« on: October 21, 2014, 05:34:04 pm »
3% for dns ?
2 years vesting period ?
can someone please tell me it’s a joke ?

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请你解释一下这20%从哪里来的?
举例来说,目前时代上存量交易的BTS大概是2亿,现在增发4亿后,其中的50%半年后到了时代交易,需要增加多少资金的接盘?

举个栗子,仅仅是一个栗子而已。

如果x要“合并”dns
x的市值是100亿人民币,总量是100亿个,平均每个1块钱
dns的市值是50亿人民币,总量是50亿个,平均每个1块钱
”合并”之后的总量是300亿,x占200亿个,dns占100亿个,当然,这时候已经没有x和dns了,都叫bts,这个新dac同时具备了x和dns的功能,开发团队能集中精力,投资者也不用每天拿着算盘计算怎么买才划算。

然后交易所下架x和dns,上bts
这时候大家心里都清楚,每个bts大概是5毛钱人民币
也不存在说要有多少的接盘资金来消化,因为本身就是一体了。
换算过来,你没有亏损

你要相信别人的智商,能开发出dpos加titan加去中心化交易所的人,不会弱智到无缘无故增加几亿个x进系统里打击投资者。你能举出bm坑你的栗子么?

不要钻牛角尖说如果只给dns 60亿个怎么办,相信别人的智商,相信社区的声音。

呵呵
新方案狠狠地扇了我耳光

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楼主用脚投票吧。

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请你解释一下这20%从哪里来的?
举例来说,目前时代上存量交易的BTS大概是2亿,现在增发4亿后,其中的50%半年后到了时代交易,需要增加多少资金的接盘?

举个栗子,仅仅是一个栗子而已。

如果x要“合并”dns
x的市值是100亿人民币,总量是100亿个,平均每个1块钱
dns的市值是50亿人民币,总量是50亿个,平均每个1块钱
”合并”之后的总量是300亿,x占200亿个,dns占100亿个,当然,这时候已经没有x和dns了,都叫bts,这个新dac同时具备了x和dns的功能,开发团队能集中精力,投资者也不用每天拿着算盘计算怎么买才划算。

然后交易所下架x和dns,上bts
这时候大家心里都清楚,每个bts大概是5毛钱人民币
也不存在说要有多少的接盘资金来消化,因为本身就是一体了。
换算过来,你没有亏损

你要相信别人的智商,能开发出dpos加titan加去中心化交易所的人,不会弱智到无缘无故增加几亿个x进系统里打击投资者。你能举出bm坑你的栗子么?

不要钻牛角尖说如果只给dns 60亿个怎么办,相信别人的智商,相信社区的声音。

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问题的关键是BTS总量增加了4亿,这个是凭空产生的,其他的发展和意义讨论不大,各有各的看法,总量增加20%是不变的事实

看得好累呀。
如果我第一眼就看到你这句话就好了,因为根本就没必要看前面的了。
没有什么是凭空产生的,下结论前最好先做做功课,了解一下前因后果。
然后你就会知道你这么说是错误的。

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 03:47:27 pm »
Is VOTE dac an independant dac and are they still getting its own bitUSD debit card (for their own version of bitUSD) or are they on the same blockchain as BTSX with this proposal?

This proposal is to bring them all on to one chain.. no BitUSD competitors.

My proposal:Bring DAC\PTS\AGS    to BTSX Chain as assets,that way they can be trade with BitUSD,the value no need to leave the system,

and this way,you don't have to change the total supply of BTSX,no need to confront the PTSer/AGSer,and still accomplish the goal of BitUSD for
all dac----DAC notes can be trade on BTSX with BitUSD,BTSX can have all the function and all the value,without dilution of BTSX and buy the PTS/AGSer out to fuse their anger.

It would be a compromise.

 +5% +5% +5% +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Proposal to Resolve a Million Issues at Once
« on: October 19, 2014, 03:26:25 pm »
I think if we were to make one BTS(BTSX) rule the others (DNS, MUSIC,VOTE..), they could be listed as assets on BTSX chain.

For example, asset Note is created with cap 1.5 billion, and the allocations are exactly the same as the ones cob is implementing. In other words, if AGS/PTS can get at least 10% each, then we are not breaking the social consensus. And no need to dilute BTSX.

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KeyID / Re: BTC38: DNS/CNY markets is live now
« on: October 15, 2014, 02:11:28 am »
终于肯开通cny了啊。不错不错。
Thank you.

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KeyID / Re: KeyID v0.0.4 HOTFIX - init delegates voted back in
« on: October 14, 2014, 01:32:09 pm »
*bts500 updated.

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DAC 委托人 / Re: KeyID delegates ready on~!
« on: October 03, 2014, 06:53:57 am »
建议楼上各位都弄成命令行啊
然后更新到1F
wallet_account_set_approval 需要投票的id true

于人于己方便啊

wallet_account_set_approval bts500 true
wallet_account_set_approval eur-bts500 true
wallet_account_set_approval cny-bts500 true
wallet_account_set_approval usd-bts500 true

谢谢大家!

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Muse/SoundDAC / Re: Best MUSIC DAC launch model for 2014?
« on: September 30, 2014, 04:49:49 am »
4.  By giving Eddie and Cob the freedom to explore all business models we are now at 35/35 up from 25/25 and way up from the 10/10 minimums.

And we should also make it clear that how many more Notes at most will be brought to this DAC by delegates. Otherwise investors may have doubts “is it possible for me to buy 5% of the shares which may become just 0.005% in two years due to the inflation?"

Bitcoin POW is bad but at least the investors clearly know that a certain amount of coins are mined each ten minutes. You make your choise.

We should tell the investors “no, we have restrictions, your 5% would at least worth 1%, no less."

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General Discussion / Re: Proposed Future DAC Delegate Pay Model
« on: September 30, 2014, 03:30:03 am »
Here are my suggestions:

1. To have two kinds of delegates.  The normal delegates like the ones we have in BTSX, and the delegates who are going to launch projects (dilute, the so called business delegates).

2. The pay fee per block for the normal ones can’t be more than 2*average.

3. Only after getting at least X% ( X= 50 or 30...) of all the votes should a business delegate be able to produce blocks.  He should burn Y * pay fee per block (Y = 100 or 300…..) to register.

4. The total number of all the active delegates is 101. The number of active business delegates can’t be more than Z (Z= 10 or 5…).

5. Set upper bound for the inflation. Suppose initial supply of Notes is 2 billion, 35% are allocated to PTS holders, 35% are allocated to AGS holders, which means 700 million for each.  Then the upper bound of Notes that all the delegates can get paid together is 5 billion, which means P/A holders eventually are allocated by at least 10% of all the supply (2 + 5 = 7 billion). Each year at most A% (A = 5, or 10) of 5 billion Notes can be produced by delegates.

I also have them posted on cob's music launch model thread.

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