Quote from: toast on December 25, 2014, 01:05:15 am

Quote from: luckybit on December 25, 2014, 01:02:22 am

Quote from: jsidhu on December 24, 2014, 08:50:10 pm

groundbreaking and thought provoking! 

u mistyped primtive btw.

Ethereum stuck to primitives or assembly.. And a double directed graph would cut down dev costs and ease of use on primitives.. however the million dollar question is: Is there a case you can think of where you would not want to use a graph but use primitives to solve a problem?

I guess vitalik assumes others will build on top if there is a market todo so while we give a leg up on beginners to solve problems quicker but if its a subset of problems then there is a case for primitives or assembly still.  That is when will flexibility of primitives be needed in this context where a graph wouldnt work for a layman?

It's also possible that Vitalik simply over looked this. Building something like Ethereum is hard but I think if you're going to build a scripting language you need to make it high level. Right now they have scripting but as a person who can read several programming languages their scripting is awkward and low level.

I think now that they have the resources the Ethereum team should make a scripting language as much like Python or Javascript as possible. You want something which has minimal syntax for people to learn and which is powerful enough to do the job. Python is good as a scripting language because it's powerful but the syntax is very simple.

Serpent is supposed to be like Python and it's getting closer but it's not quite there. I think the competition between Bitshares and Ethereum should be on making it easy to develop for. Whichever DAC is easier to develop for will certainly win over my attention and I would think most people who aren't rock star developers at the same way.

C++ is not the language people will want to mess with when dealing with people's money. Javascript on the other hand is easy and so is Python. If it is easy people will feel confident enough to write code and if projects can be completed in weeks instead of months people will be more likely to make time to do it.

They have serpent and solidity working and full IDEs in development. We will not beat them as a smart contract platform unless we outgrow them first. More likely we will just pull in their VM once both of our systems are more mature.

We are basically all-in on BitAsset adoption and very basic financial services.

If we are all-in on bitassets then shouldn't our priority be to get the protocol stable so we can launch 1.0 and have no further hard forks a for a long time? Only then will we be able to get gateways, our biggest priority.

We already have the killer app, but it's super difficult to get hold of because gateways don't want to integrate with us because our system is still unstable. I think we should have just focused on getting the last UIA changes implemented, and then only focus on UX for the next 6 months for the amazing products we already have. We don't need scripting in the short term, there's not any evidence in the market that it's actually profitable or useful, only hype.

I dont think we should be beginning on working on even more complicated stuff now if it doesn't actually give us any marketing advantage over ethereum. It makes no sense from a business perspective. We need to get our product ready, and then launch it.

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9位已当选：（更新至2014年12月21日）

dev0.nikolai
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11351.0
论坛ID：toast
烤面包，Nikolai Mushegian, BTS核心开发者。去年从卡内基梅隆大学毕业后放弃了谷歌的offer，全职加入BTS开发团队。前DNS的主要开发者，后来......你懂的。
代码提交记录：https://github.com/nmushegian?tab=activity


del0.cass
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11753.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11917.0
论坛ID：cass
Cass是一名设计师，包办设计了绝大部分BTS钱包GUI/网站/Logo等。


marketing.methodx
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11532.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11663.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11694.0
论坛ID：Method-X
Method（自称）深喑网络推广，长期从事网络营销活动。他网罗了很多社区成员一起开展推广活动，http://nullstreet.com 是他们的大本营（需注册才能参与）。


dev.bitsharesblocks
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11272.0
论坛ID：svk
http://bitsharesblocks.com 的站长，bitsharesblocks是目前最多人使用的BTS区块链信息网站。


dev-metaexchange.monsterer
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11730.0
论坛ID：monsterer 和 Shentist
monsterer 是一位资深的C++程序员，他将和Shentist一起开发一个去中心化的BTS交易所与在线钱包，这个项目将允许用户将比特币换成BTS或比特资产。
项目代码：https://github.com/wildbunny/metaexchange


jcalfee1-developer-team.helper.liondani
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12007.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12439.0
论坛ID：jcalfee1
jcalfee1 是一位资深的Java和Linux工程师，他将负责开发BTS钱包的邮箱功能，编写BTS的JS库，手机应用等。
代码提交记录：https://github.com/jcalfee?tab=activity


dev0.theoretical
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12451.0
论坛ID：theoretical 以前叫（drltc）
Theoretical是一名全栈工程师（http://www.csdn.net/article/2014-01-21/2818203-full-stack-engineer），他很早就加入社区了，参与了大量的技术讨论，最终被BM招人麾下。
代码提交记录：https://github.com/drltc?tab=activity


stan.delegate.xeldal
论坛ID：Stan
此君…..不解释


bm.payroll.riverhead
论坛ID：bytemaster
此君….也不解释


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argentina-marketing.matt608
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11847.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12051.0
论坛ID：matt608
Matt是一位英国25岁的小伙子，他想在阿根廷推广比特股，但是他并没去过阿根廷，也拿不出有说服力的过往推广案例。这是最受质疑的一个待选受托人。


dev.sidhujag
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12027.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11840.0
论坛ID: jsidhu
Jsidhu 要为BTS开发11个电子商务网站的购物插件，目前已经完成了第一个。
项目代码：https://github.com/sidhujag


elmato
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12494.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=11902.0
论坛ID：elmato
Elmato是阿根廷的手机应用程序员，他正在开发BTS的安卓与IOS手机钱包。目前安卓版已释出了Alpha2测试版。他还组织了在布宜诺斯艾利斯的第一次比特股meetup。
项目代码：https://github.com/latincoin-com/bitwallet


BTS ID：heyd
欢迎打赏

Quote from: whybts on December 16, 2014, 02:28:11 pm

cn-member is very busy, no time to translate all my Chinese word, but it doesn't matter.
I do myself

My main idea: we need more people do real thing
My example is yunbi exchange
Yunbi has bts blockchain asset:YUN
It is in bts wallet, you easy to find

Everytime I post a weibo (the Chinese twitter) , tell yunbi I want to send some YUN to my friend, yunbi do it
Example:
@yunbi I want to send 100 YUN to @bytemaster

Yunbi auto send 100YUN from my account to bm's account in yunbi exchange
Even if bm has no account in yunbi, it doesn't matter
when bm link his weibo account to yunbi exchange, he get the 100 YUN

Everyday yunbi free send many YUN via weibo to many people
You can buy something in yunbi online shop with YUN
It is a good way to promote bts
New people receive YUN, they will want to know what is yun, then they know bts and bitusd
I hope yunbi shop can open bitcny and bitusd to attact more people

This is just a example
I just want to tell: bts is very good, but we need to do real thing

Amazing. That's exactly the way to promote bitshares.

Do you know if yunbi is planning to integrate as a CNY gateway after 1.0?

sorry I don't know
But I hope it is

The fiat fiat gateway! Fantastic work

How are they going from bitCNY -> CNY, or do they hold bitCNY?

Forum member @gulu launched a bitcny<-->cny gateway allowing 1:1 exchanges two weeks ago (with no fees at this moment).

Everyday btc38 sends bitcny via blockchain to gulu who then sends back btc38 the cny via banks. Probably btc38 won't hold bitcny unless they also want to launch a gateway.

You can find gulu's site here (now only available in Chinese): http://www.tradebts.com/

Thank you, gulu and btc38.

Quote from: heyD on December 07, 2014, 06:12:59 am

无论你想怎么搞，拜托请不要用PTS这个名字。:'(

别人不也都在用吗？试问不用PTS这个名字又怎么能吸引社区人员的注意呢。
不用PTS，又怎么能让别人认为这东西是有价值的？

不仅要用PTS，而且还要明确就是Bitshares PTS，是官方支持，甚至官方默许，主导的。
我们的目标是上交易所，虽然我们会发布多个项目，但最终只要有一个项目上交易所就可以了。

嗯。

你这么说我也就放心了。建议做几个logo，一定要跟以前的一样，改改颜色就好。再到英文论坛发帖。

我的观点依然跟在原贴里的建议一样：先证明自己，再伸手拿钱。

我赞成log的观点。赞成版主更改标题以提示社区。原标题《比特股PTS强制升级与快照公告》会对不明真相的社区成员和外界造成严重误导。

请大家以及交易所一定要认识到：这个项目并非来自3i或核心开发团队。

我个人认为pts的使命已经完成，11.5就是它的最终归属。

任何人都可以基于开源的toolkit进行DAC开发，但不应该给他的项目取名叫Bitshares PTS，更不能叫强制升级。我对这个项目的动机存疑，对它可能会对社区造成的危害表示担忧。

在开发者更改Bitshares PTS这个名字之前，我强烈反对这个项目