Bitcointalk Presence

Invictus and Bitshares have not yet established a solid presence in the crypto community.
One of the major obstacles to gaining a central place in the crypto community is being a solid presence on Bitcointalk.org.
This thread concerns ideas around, worries about, and the format of promotional content creation.
A lot of what is discussed here should also generalize to reddit, facebook, twitter, etc.

Who can contribute, and when?

When I thought about building our presence on Bitcointalk.org it quickly dawned on me that we need to space this out between different people posting in threads at different times.

My own approach has been to plan out a set of threads that I can make across a space of weeks. But we also need people to comment on these threads lest they drown, and we need other people to make threads as it will quickly begin to look stupid if I'm the only one posting threads.

List the amount of posts you can make per week, and what your expertise is or PM me to get involved!

Ideas for content and formats?

It also quickly dawned on me that my creativity for content creation is extremely limited. I also need you the community to come up with ideas for threads we can post. We can and should dissociate the ideas for content, the creation of content and the posting of content.

Ideas so far have been the following:

In general,
-- Bump old threads continuously, (Keyhotee thread, Bitshares thread, Bytemaster threads, + the ones we create)
-- Always aim to use a diverse range of formats (pictures!, memes, movies, slogans, links, etc.),
-- Aim for a diverse range of themes and target different sections of the forum (off-topic, political, altcoin, etc.)
-- Themes do not always need to be directly related to Bitshares or Invictus; many indirect ways.
-- Always act as support and courage people to send PM's and ask questions.
-- Redirect as much as possible to this forum and good sources of relevant information.
-- Promote threads via other social media (cross-post, mention in chats/trollboxes, twitter, etc.)
-- We should show what problem Bitshares can solve
-- Promote the economic, profit motive - DACs need to be profitable.
-- Promote the concept of DACs.
-- We should link to Bitshares when it's released and help people to either buy them or earn them.


Concrete Threads,
-- [ANN][PTS] February 28th Bitshares X Snapshot!
--  Re: Introducing Keyhotee - Next Generation Identity, DNS, Messaging, and Wallet
-- Topic: Bitshares, Ethereum and Mastercoin Three-way Panel Discussion
-- Skandinavian, (I'm Norwegian), Er desentraliserte børser og banker neste steg for Crypto?

Threads I'm planning to do:
-- Price speculation threads, .. on Bitshares X or PTS, etc.
-- Politics and Society Threads: The volunarist-meme video posted here, with some voluntarist ideas.
-- Thread  February newsletter as well as March, etc.
-- Thread concerning the Invictus incubator model, as well as the upcoming DAC-centric conference
-- Threads concerning articles; The Three Laws of Robotics, Is Bitcoin Overpaying for False Security? and DACs That Spawn DACs.
-- Thread concerning the updated Bitshares X whitepaper.
-- Q&A threads.
-- Threads about DAC ideas.

List your ideas for content and formats!

What should we worry about?

That there will be a lot of critical questions we can't answer.
That a hard push might backfire as paid advertising.
That Bitshares clones dominate and establish themselves as more fair.

Some solutions,
-- Effective anti-propaganda
-- Dominating presence
-- Kindness/honorable code
-- Economic incentive

List what we should worry about and how to resolve the worry below!

What am I missing?

Post suggestions and I'll update this thread!

I have some vague idea that we should link the various social media efforts into this, but I am unsure how.

what would be awesome...would be a way to quickly send an entire thread to bitcointalk from bitsharestalk.  Though I'm pretty sure this would be possible, I do not know if it would be a good idea in practice or not.  Something worth considering though.

Maybe getting back to some DAC brainstorming. I keep hearing about the DNS, Music, Bingo etc., but I was earlier under the impression this DAC/DAO business was going to be usable for a huge variety of concepts. I would like the brainpower at Invictus to help us form a laundry list of potential DAC/DAO ideas that developers and the community can look at for starting possibilities and discussion.

The Alternative DACs section does a pretty good job at this task and will continue to for some time into the future.  What I personally would like to see is Invictus focus solely on Keyhotee, BTS X and any other DAC proposal they already have that will gain the most FROM that focus.  If BTS X and Keyhotee function as needed with the level of security necessary to fend off the attacks they are 100% guaranteed to experience, that security will only lend value to future DACs built on their tech (thus locking in the value of BitShares PTS for future stake in those DACs). 

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Now with that said, some questions:

How does Invictus intend on getting these decentralized banks adopted by a broader audience?  My personal thoughts are to use AGS in competitions to bring on individuals with expertise in the necessary areas to implement and promote these banks in 3rd world countries (preferably from the countries themselves)...where their beneficial effects to the economy will be most salient.  This also doubles as PR and advertising and, most importantly, will release impoverished from the chains of slavery and debt. 

Will there be a way BitShares X chains can be built to give a % of their earnings to specific causes?  I think of nations that are extremely rich in resources but somehow are poor because of the systems of government under which they live and the connections those Govs have to outside corporate factions (a good documentary here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui0NL3bb21o).  But if there were chains built based on a specific country's top 16 resources, and those could float in value across all other chains, but that the specific country's chain automatically gives a % of all trade commissions to its citizens (using Keyhotee...downloaded to mobile phone/pc) or to fix certain issues fascist corporations have created.  (for example: funding of chemical cleanup in Bhopal in India with a portion of the commissions).

Is there a plan for low resource req mobile versions of Keyhotee/Exchanges?  To bring value equal to what Bitcoin has produced, Bitshares must provide similar positive value and lower the barriers to entry.  Mobile phones are far more prevalent in 2nd and 3rd world countries.  If Invictus focuses on this, they can help to avoid imperial entanglements (3rd world Govs will be impotent against this). 

Why the heck is MMC not being used for voting on issues or leadership in certain areas?  I have tried multiple times to contact MMC's developer to chat with him and introduce the tech and its capabilities to the community, but it feels like this is not a priority for some reason.  For those unaware MMC allows the community to vote on its leadership.  I am not sure if that is as far as it goes, but I would be very interested in seeing them showcased...maybe with a little urging from the Invictus team, we could get a sit-down and figure out how our community could use this tool. 

Director of Marketing Brian Paige explains Bitshares on Sovryn Tech: w hosts Brian Sovryn and Stephanie Murphy


https://soundcloud.com/sovryntech/sovryn-tech-special-0018

up learning all this coding and photoshop stuff...and now I see this.  Decisions decisions...

Ok...i'll check it out since all you guys have so many wonderful words for it.

Is this closed yet?
If not, is there an available script or context sheet to work off of?
I have my family's Ad agency at my disposal with 30+yrs in radio, and production studio.

 

There is a very real reason I ask this question.  One of which is that there are known ties to real terrorism that run through these institutions.  Another is that I feel we as a community should expect more from those building the future platforms upon which we will rely and should always remain cognizant of the darker side of things--which we as a community tend to all-too-often overlook (we are idealists by nature--*cough, Gox, cough*.  The cartels and their syndicates are elegant opponents and one need not read the Art of War to understand how these banking cartels have a penchant for co-opting potentially beautiful grass-roots movements from the inside, often redirecting those movements' heroes efforts to undermining the very idea they intended to perpetuate.

As for the Bitshares as banks argument, this is tough precisely because Bitshares is using libraries of existing (and tested) code in addition to multiple blockchains as opposed to the "one chain to rule them all" concept.  I have been pretty hard on them in the past...mostly because I have personally seen what the Petro Dollar has accomplished in third world countries and have an abhorrence for the very real "secret societies" who are constantly at work across the spectrum of human existence.

Then there is always news like this:  http://trutube.tv/video/20662/Bankers-Dropping-Like-Flies

As for working for GS at some point in ones career, I suppose you make a very good point...but at the same time it would sit better on the stomach had they moved toward advisers who had more of this mentality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghpeshRDE8g   
I am simply concerned with the potential--especially when those promoting it have really seemed to gain a marketing edge that few true grassroots campaigns get (grass roots takes a long time to build).  It is probably best to refrain from judgment from now on, though.  I hope this is just tin-foil hat stuff, but unfortunately over the years I have found much of that tin-foil hat stuff to be true.  And co-opting of movements, throughout history, has proven to be the rule as opposed to the exception.  As the saying goes, reality is stranger than fiction...

Thank you all for acknowledging this post as it is very dear to my heart...especially when I look at this little guy laying in his crib at night.  He is the reason I chose Invictus, because I personally feel like Dan would be in the camp represented by the second link as opposed to the first.

Quote from: toast on March 04, 2014, 05:26:37 am

I honestly think it's much easier to just convince I3 to give you guys a bunch of money to spend at your discretion. I would only devote precious DAC development resources to actual profitable DACs. Definitely a good idea in theory though.

If centralized job or bounty auctions are profitable, and centralized exchanges are profitable, why wouldn't it be profitable to build a decentralized job/bounty auction site and have a decentralized exchange?

Also once again why should the community exclusively rely on I3 to give us a bunch of money when we can just develop a DAC to decentralize the process of resource allocation? We can come up with an algorithm that we agree upon by consensus to be the most fair and then let the market go to work.

If people think shares in a DAC which handles resource allocation and bounties would be valuable why not develop it? I do agree it would take a lot of time and there are probably many other more important DACs to build first but I think if we are going the route of streamlined decentralization why shouldn't we go all the way?

If people in the community want to automate the process of crowd funding and allocating resources as much as possible why wouldn't that agenda be considered noble? It would make / allow DACs to organically build themselves from idea to finished product with an algorithm sending out shares according to Proof of Contribution. It of course would not be 100% autonomous because human beings would be working for the DAC doing things that cannot be automated but resource allocation is something which can be automated and Bitcoin proves that.

I think in the long term it's worth it to build it. In 5 years someone could come along, post an Angel address, people send money to it, and the DAC would take it from there. The autonomous agent would collect the funds and then start distributing it according to a pre-defined algorithm because certain tasks have to be repeated for every launch.

Make a power point presentation/whitepaper.
Make a main website.
Make a Facebook page.
Put website in signatures.
Create wiki.
Create articles promoting the DAC.
Debug and test the code.
Make blockexplorer.

All of the grass roots stuff could be simplified down to a script, and for humans a readable set of instructions which if followed step by step will create a fully functioning DAC. All of these tasks could be incentivized by distribution algorithm.

My lord, this would be amazing.  It would simplify the process for anyone coming after the initial creation and would serve as a launching point for "remixed" versions of each task stated above...

Creating a separate "hub" consisting of active community members will increase the complexity of decentralization. The community would self-organize around ideas for improvements, changes, work to be done, etc.

Precisely...and I believe with the release and refinement of Keyhotee, over time, we will grow to have many more tools that will improve our ability to do just this.