Remove voting power from liquid BTS and tickets #2262
https://github.com/bitshares/bitshares-core/issues/2262

New BSIP or BSIP24 discussion: stake lock-up mechanism, count only real "locked" stake as voting stake #83
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/issues/83


Maybe someone explains Abit that BTS is not Steem and that BTS is core token of our ecosystem .

So somebody who is inactive and stacking BTS has in his eyes more value in governance than somebody who is activly using bitshares ecosystem and knows the ins and outs and creates income for bitshares.
The active member having completly no say as he is using BTS in the ecosystem which is the main purpose of BTS.

Maybe Abit can explain to us how somebody who stacks only participates in bitshares growth and i'm not talking about price.

Voting is used for governance purposes; governance is used for stabilizing the blockchain, it's infrastructure and development; you are not an infrastructure expert nor a developer; you don't need to be here by the way; you are claiming your self as a market expert; I doubt that too, kindly stay in market making and show us what can you do for BitShares instead of insulting the only last active core developer on this blockchain.

For those who cannot read codes nor understand development should never get involved in voting, when it comes to the changes that is proposed here; this will raise the value of BTS because BTS will be locked and any leading role in development further would require sacrificing BTS in locks; if development is failing for these voters; the future value of their BTS when it's unlocked is enough punishment for them.

公会关于4.0版本升级的声明——致所有见证人

众所周知，在BTS4.0版本升级中，个别开发人员在社区不知情的情况下，私自篡改投票系统，造成极其恶劣的影响。我们认为，这种行为践踏了BTS区块链的信任基础、撕裂了社区团结、动摇了投资者的持币信心。如果不立即纠正，BTS在区块链世界中将再无信用可言。

为此，公会开发了4.0版本补丁程序，该补丁程序目的是将投票系统恢复成4.0版本之前的状态，以消除不良影响。该补丁仅修复了未经社区投票私自增加的变更，不影响4.0版本其他功能的正常使用。

我们呼吁所有见证人安装该补丁。见证人安装该补丁文件后，该补丁文件将在北京时间2020年8月20日21：55分自动生效。

请所有见证人（包括非活跃见证人）在北京时间2020年8月15日24:00分之前在本帖下回复补丁安装情况。从北京时间2020年8月16日开始，我们将对没有回复安装补丁文件的见证人撤票，并投票给已经安装补丁文件的见证人。若支持安装补丁文件的见证人数量不足，公会将启用公会备用见证人，将见证人数量补足。

其他所有个人节点、交易所节点、重钱包也应当在20日之后安装此补丁，以免影响使用。

公会将不断致力于维护BTS区块链系统的信用、公平和正义，我们支持一切合法的、有益的系统升级。

如见证人安装补丁时有任何问题请联系微信：xiaoyuan  409

补丁下载地址：https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

Cn-vote's statement on version 4.0 Upgrade -- to all witnesses

As we all know, in the bts4.0 version upgrade, individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact. We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain, torn community unity and shaken investors' confidence in currency holding. If not corrected immediately, BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world.

To this end, CN vote developed a 4.0 patch, which aims to restore the voting system to the state before version 4.0 to eliminate adverse effects.This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting, and does not affect the normal use of other functions of version 4.0.

We call on all witnesses to install the patch. After the witness installs the patch, the patch will automatically take effect at 21:55, August 20, 2020（Beijing time）.

All witnesses (including inactive witnesses) are requested to reply to the patch installation under this post before 24:00 Beijing time on August 15, 2020. Starting from August 16, 2020, Beijing time, we will withdraw votes for witnesses who have not responded to the installation of patch files and vote for witnesses who have installed patch files. If the number of witnesses supporting the installation of patch files is insufficient, CN vote will enable the standby witness to supplement the number of witnesses.

The cn-vote will continue to be committed to maintaining the credit, fairness and justice of BTS blockchain system. We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades.

If the witness has any problems in installing the patch, please contact wechat:
 Xiaoyuan  409

Patch download address:  https://github.com/bitshares-cnvote/bitshares-core

1) You said "individual developers tamper with the voting system without the knowledge of the community, causing extremely bad impact"

what an excuse when an irresponsible admin upgrades his own node without his own knowledge about what he's writing there, I wouldn't trust or vote such an irresponsible admins.

2) You said "We believe that this behavior has trampled on the trust foundation of BTS blockchain"

The foundation wasn't there.

3) You said "BTS will no longer have credibility in the blockchain world"

BTS now is having more credibility because corruption and loopholes in voting system are patched.

4) You said "CN vote developed a 4.0 patch"

 I doubt your patch would work, if by any chance it works and your code was applied, I believe you wouldn't be able to handle the core development because everybody is aware of your poor technical skills, you might be good investors; I doubt because you couldn't bring a single development to the blockchain, non of you is well matured technical nor a businessman.

5) You said "This patch only fixes the changes that are added without community voting"

lets see how many BP admins are going to apply the patch with the same exact mistake of not having the knowledge of what they're doing.

6) You said "We call on all witnesses to install the patch"

I say I call all witnesses not to install this patch, we're done with corruption of voting power system and we don't wanna go back, you go back alone.

7) You said "We support all legal and beneficial system upgrades."

I say you could not benefit the system by any mean ever, it's obvious, since your first day until now you were silent about issues of voting and worker system and we haven't seen your development workers nor technicals anywhere.

Thanks for reading and sorry for my honesty.

Dear Community and holders,

Please review, comment and express your opinion on worker presented by "Zavod Premik" (eng. "Move Institute) that comes as offer for services and position of new legal representative on your behalf and behalf of BitShares blockchain.

READ WORKER PROPOSAL

- Chinese version will be released by Monday.
- Worker is designed as budget.

Worker is on chain and available for voting with primary goals to handle the handover/acquire a list from previous legal representative (BitShares Blockchain Foundation) or redo known agreements on behalf of BitShares blockchain.

Account `committee-trade` received 1 BTS transfer containing as MEMO entire content of this worker.
ID: 1.11.1050275714 Block: 45162812


On behalf of Move Institute,
Acting CEO,
Milos (DL) Preocanin

We have concluded that legal attorney and representative for BitShares Blockchain is required due to many facts including:

1) BitShares blockchain is maintaining several domain names which must be owned by a legal entity.
2) BitShares blockchain is maintaining communications and contacts with legal entities who are listing BitShares utility BTS.
3) BitShares blockchain is maintaining several interfaces to the BitShares blockchain to satisfy ongoing legal obligations on internet.

For the above facts I am highly supporting the existence of this worker and supporting (Move Institute) and the entities behind it for their well known excellent reputation in the past.

Good luck!

Quote from: Ammar Yousef (ioBanker) on November 04, 2019, 01:27:15 am

Quote from: abit on November 04, 2019, 12:51:57 am

Quote from: bench on November 03, 2019, 07:41:38 pm

Quote from: Bangzi on November 02, 2019, 12:51:05 pm

Please consider vote for Worker: 1.14.236 BAIP-Threshold to increase the number of votes required, one of the criteria to pass a BAIP(BitAssets Improvement Proposal).

At the moment bitshares-vision sees no benifit in increasing the threshold.

I didn't think you could talk on behalf of bitshares-vision.

He's a part of bitshares-vision

I'm a fan of the idea behind segregating BitAssets parameter control from BSIP of code, I agree with the direction of having BAIP.

But as bench said, I don't see increasing number of required votes for anything would benefit bitshares now, this would let it be more harder to change these parameters while our utility token is still at early stage now.

I would always like to understand your point of view, why would we need to increase the threshold of votes required to pass a BAIP?

I didn't say that I agree or disagree to increase the threshold of BAIPs.

As commented in https://github.com/bitshares/baips/pull/2 , I don't think the BAIP-01 draft is ready for voting.

Thanks for stating you valuable opinion, bitshares-vision would consider readiness and reasoning behind voting.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29657.0

The meeting minutes of the first Cabinet -hosted meeting between Fractalnode and Ammar Yousef on the agenda of:

Date: 21/09/19
Time: 13:00UTC
Discord Channel: “Cabinet Hosted Meeting”

Host: Cabinet, @Permie

Attendees:
@fractalnode
@AmmarYousef

Foreword/Introduction:

This is the first of a planned series of Cabinet-hosted meetings between small groups of BitShares supporters to discuss particular BitShares-wide issues and communicate a vision for the future. Multiple small-group meetings each discussing similar topics will help each other to see other perspectives and co-operate to reach a negotiated shared vision with some compromises. A compromised but united vision is superior to a variety of disjointed “purist” visions when it comes to BitShares voter governance.

Worker Proposals getting in and out of the funding zone due to competing visions does not make stable governance. Successfully implementing a subjectively “inferior” negotiated (but still positive) plan is more beneficial than starting and subsequently abandoning a subjectively “superior” un-negotiated plan.

Points to discuss:

BitShares is owned and operated by the community of bts holders. What is the goal of the BitShares community?

What does BitShares offer the world?

How can this community push the bts project forward?

How to enhance BitShares’ value proposition?

What challenges is BitShares facing? Describe your perspective on:

Governance

Voter Apathy - most bts stake does not vote.

Public Relations and Branding

Cascading SmartCoin Margin Calls. (Large topic)

DEX Liquidity

What should BitShares do next? Describe your perspective on:

Uniting the bts community behind a shared vision.

A rising bts price. Why does it rise? Speculators buying on technical analysis? Increased PR? Fee income?

Short term planning vs long term planning.

How important is the focus on the price and key Technical Analysis  price-points in encouraging new-holders; for speculators? For long term holders?

Is BitShares out of  “startup mode” yet? - Should bts be a profitable DAO as soon as possible? Or should it be spending now to create profitable income for the community in the future?

Introduce yourself:

Fractalnode: 5-10 mins to outline a brief summary of your perspective on what you think is the biggest problem for BitShares currently.

Ammar: 5-10 mins to outline a brief summary of your perspective on what you think is the biggest problem for BitShares currently.

Main discussion:

As a group going through the above list 2 to 2.3.3.2 and discussing each perspective and discussing points that can be compromised to reach a goal that is acceptable to the most bts holders. If only some of these topics can be discussed that is ok.

Thanks for drafting the conference, really appreciated.

Chinese version now completed
https://www.bitshares.foundation/workers/2019-09-global-marketing-board-cn

I believe "Global Marketing Board" as term should be replaced with "Global Management Board".

Global Management Board will submit workers for (Infrastructure, marketing etc...) that would be specific and in details when it comes to for example "Annual Marketing Plan" which will have a marketing plan and it's down budget.

"Global Management Board" budget must be segregated from "Annual Marketing Plan" budget.

"Global Management Board" must be OpEx.
"Annual Marketing Plan" must be CapEx and budget should consider the BTS value.

Quote from: Bangzi on August 05, 2019, 09:16:06 pm

Bitshares Marketing Group

Telegram: https://t.me/bitshares_marketing
Github: https://github.com/bitshares/marketing/

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29599.msg335172#msg335172

Topic: [Draft][Worker Proposal] Global Marketing Board

The proposal outlines a really good structure and scalable framework for future growth..

 It could also be a model to allow for a lot more of the community's input and energy to be channeled in a considered and deliberative way and to continue long term, proactive development rather than always reflexively reacting to events or price volatility.  {Sometimes yes it's appropriate to react quickly but not as a SOP (standard operating procedure).}

Instead of  "worker"  I agree it should be called Council or Board or as I've suggested before....DeCEO and apply it to different functional and strategic areas...since its purpose is directorial and not advisory in nature and language is important to convey unambiguous meaning.

DeCEO Marketing  - 
Board Level -   decisions/recommendations on conferences, budgets, individual worker proposals approval, branding
Manager level - News and PR, Advertising,  Regional or Country marketing initiatives, social media and promotions management
Supervisor level -  e.g where to dedicate language resources or coordinate translation volunteer efforts for smaller markets..

DeCEO - Technology :  - tech evolution and potential adoption, network security issues, user experience enhancements e.g hardware wallets, prioritizing feature development, incorporation of mobile, stealth, etc

DeCEO  -  Strategic Business Cooperation --  partnerships, collaborations, etc. -  e.g. consurmer goods retailers, distributors,  service providers, Wirex, BEOS, Citadel [https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=26310.0], Wirex, etc.,

DeCEO   -  Research projects -  e.g. UCCS BioPhil's,  Norns, Hackathons, new BitShares products, etc., DEX competitors pros/cons and future competition,

DeCEO - Financial Engineering..-  liquidity enhancement, Price Feeds, financial ratio adjustments, smartcoin produciton & diversity, etc,  proposals -- . DEXBot bitUSD:OPEN.USDT Market Making,
bitshares.finance --https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=29339.0

DeCEO -  Finances -  Network budgeting,  worker proposal expenditure audits, Captial Expenditures,  reserve and commitee funds managment,

DeCEO -  Legal and Regulatoy,

More efficient and effective system than depending on the larger community needing to vote on every worker proposal without the benefit of subject matter expertise or background, esoteric knowledge, latest developments, etc., in a variety of areas.   It also would distribute the workload and effort among a wider group of people and foster more comprehensive participation.

Voters could choose to focus their vote on matters appropriate to their knowledge/background/interest and maybe provide their proxy to others  who they feel are better suited to make judgements in other areas  or simply follow their recommendations.

Each DeCEO could have rotating appointees to participate on joint boards/councils to collaborate on coordinated efforts and to ensure that they're not working at duplicate or cross purposes.

Thanks for taking time to write these, I believe "Global Marketing Board" as term should be replaced with "Global Management Board".

Global Management Board will submit workers for (Infrastructure, marketing etc...) that would be specific and in details when it comes to for example "Annual Marketing Plan" which will have a marketing plan and it's down budget.

"Global Management Board" budget must be segregated from "Annual Marketing Plan" budget.

"Global Management Board" must be OpEx.
"Annual Marketing Plan" must be CapEx and budget should consider the BTS value.