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General Discussion / Re: Legality of Prediction Markets and Dacs
« on: March 04, 2014, 01:12:04 am »
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Fortunately this market is using play money and thus legal.   Only prediction markets that deal in fiat have had problems.   See hollywood stock exchange for an example.

H$ is play money. Crypto currencies aren't play money. You can't cash out of H$, whereas you can cash out of bitshares or bitcoin or any other alt coin with tangible profits. That is what governments are concerned about, particularly with crypto currencies. People stand to profit from them while governments are uncertain of how to take a piece of that profit.

Calling crypto currencies play money is a very questionable response to my question...

You can cash out of Linden Dollars too.   Whether it is legal or not in your jurisdiction does not change the fact that it is perfectly legal to develop open source software and publish it as free speech.   

The laws do not compile and there are 1000 ways to interpret everything as either legal or illegal.


Second life contains a virtual economy, it does not constitute a platform for betting, which is precisely how the us government will look at bitshares and any other prediction markets that result from its development. From an investors point of view this presents significant risk. If your product does not comply with the regulations of major governments I don't believe it will be adopted. If you cannot assuage these concerns how can I or anyone else rationally invest in your product?

Second Life has gambling platforms built into the game.  Just because you can use a currency for 'gambling' doesn't mean it is regulated.
For one thing betting is just one way of looking at this, another is that it operates no differently than a Credit Union or Bank.  It lends dollars into existence based upon collateral (stock in the bank).  In this sense it is little different than Bitcoin or any 'regulated' bank except that it is entirely transparent and 200% reserve rather than fractional reserve.

I would contend that whether you call it a prediction market, a bank, a currency, an equity, or anything else that the regulators rules do not accurately apply.   It should really be considered a "math-based digital asset" as the W. Twins filed in their application with the SEC.   These instruments are entirely NEW.

Worst case scenario the US government outlaws even running the application as an end user, it will become like drugs inside the US and likely result in the banning of Bitcoin as well.   The US market is only 4% of the worlds population and the benefits offered by our products can produce trillions of dollars of value to other parts of the world where it will be legal.   

As someone giving to our cause ("Capitalism takes more people out of poverty than Aid") by donating to one of our addresses or buying PTS you should be considering the global impact of these technologies and not just US centric regulatory views.  We are focused on keeping our legal exposure as small as possible so we can impact the masses who are unbanked. 



"Bono says capitalism takes more people out of poverty than aid."

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Organized by James and giantcrab. Sign up link:

http://event.weibo.com/6277472

Discussion in Chinese:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=1319.0


+5% have you posted any event video?

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General Discussion / Re: London meetup
« on: March 04, 2014, 01:06:33 am »
Hi,

I would like to arrange Bitshares meetup in London. If anybody is interested please let me know.

Kind Regards
Harry  :)

 +5% any plans to record and post the meeting video?

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General Discussion / Re: Switzerland - Bitshares Meetup
« on: March 04, 2014, 01:04:07 am »
Hey, I guess you know the meaning of organizing such meet-ups in Switzerland. The rule is quite simple, we get more than 7 people who are motivated to participate in a BTS meeting/workshop/party and we go!! Now it is already ONE. We could fix the details like the exact time and place, the form of the meet-up, etc... when we got enough signups. I will be glad to help coordinate.

Please reply if you are interested in a meet-up in Switzerland.;D
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We are in the early stages of planning a bitShares Developers Conference to be held this summer in Las Vegas.  The conference would aim to bring together developers, entrepreneurs, and investors to create new DAC's.

The content would feature sessions taught by the founders of Invictus, industry leaders, and specialists in areas necessary to launch your own bitShares DAC. It would be three days, (one evening reception and two full days of content), and breakfast and lunch each day would be included.  The aim would be for attendees to come with their idea and leave with the tools, connections, and funding to make it a reality. 

So, my question to the forum is: What price point would a conference like this be worth? I know many of you have been to conferences from a $300 bitcoin conference (Miami) to a $2100 Microsoft Developers Conference.  Where on that spectrum would you think would offer a good value to price this event?

Discuss...

 +5%looking forward to this... has the Vegas venue been announced?

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General Discussion / Re: yBitcoin Magazine feature on bitshares
« on: March 04, 2014, 01:00:52 am »
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The following is text from yBitcoin Magazine article on Bitshares:  written by Andrew Hidas


bitshares: Doing for business what Bitcoin does for money

So were you perhaps beginning to feel pretty good about finally understanding the world of Bitcoin as it started to make the evening news and show up in morning briefings on your favorite cable outlet?  Well hold on there, because like all dramatic innovations in human history, Bitcoin has paved the way for a host of followups in the “ecosystem” it has spawned, and there would appear to be no stopping now.

One of the latest innovations-upon-innovation is BitShares, whose slogan, “Reimagine Everything,” stands as a call-to-arms to widen the vision of the technology behind Bitcoin.  BitShares uses the same blockchain-based model but applies it to shares of companies, potentially broadening the technology’s reach far beyond currency.

The BitShares concept originated with Daniel Larimer, a Virginia-based software engineer and entrepreneur with an abiding passion for fostering radically decentralized businesses—including his own.

“We’re spread all over the world,” notes BitShares Marketing Director Brian Page, who tracked Larimer down at the Las Vegas Bitcoin Conference last year.  Everywhere Page turned to make deeper inquiries about what may be the next big thing related to Bitcoin, he heard the same refrain: “Oh, you have to see what Dan Larimer is working on.”

Page wasn’t looking for a job prior to that conversation, but he emerged with one after he and Larimer got to discussing not only the fine points of Bitcoin, but where the new decentralized world was heading in its wake.  For Larimer, his own path was obvious.  With BitShares, he was already moving beyond Bitcoin-as-mere-currency, creating his equally decentralized entity with the task of building the software that will make the world’s first fully decentralized autonomous businesses possible.

Page elaborates: “We aim to do for business what Bitcoin is doing for money— make it digital, decentralized, open source, and free market.”  To that end, BitShares offers an open source platform from where entrepreneurs can encode their business plans in software limited only by their imaginations—and the willingness of others to share their vision and invest in their companies.  BitShares thus represents a new use of Bitcoin technology, where instead of using “coins” to function as currency, it can be used to own digital “shares.”

“Anyone can use the BitShares software to build a decentralized autonomous com- pany (DAC),” Page says.  “Within that, there are many kinds of shares and many kinds of companies.  The commonality is that they’re digital and exist only as software.  These are not legal entities with boards of directors, stock, offices, and employees.  Like Bitcoin, DACs exist entirely as software running on individual computers all over the Internet, allowing them to take on a life of their own, like Bitcoin has.  With expenses reduced, transaction fees earned by the network can go to shareholders instead.

“We looked at Bitcoin and thought, ‘Hey, there are a hundred other ways to apply the same technology.’  The banking industry, domain names, gaming, insurance, the music industry, ticket sales, even the way we count votes—these and many other businesses are run archaically, in ways that let profits go right out the door and require centralization,” Page says.  “All of them would benefit hugely with a BitShares approach that limits fraud, fills seats, promotes transparency, and unleashes free market forces and entrepreneurs.”

BitShares, Page likes to suggest, will be “the ultimate app store for entrepreneurs who want to enter this new world.  We’re creating the tools they’ll need to make this possible by combining the profit motive with blockchain technology in a way that hasn’t been done before.

“Think back for a minute to the early 1990s when the first websites were being created,” Page offers.  “People at the time thought, ‘Oh, that’s a beautiful website, just brilliant, that will change everything,’ but the true brilliance was not just the website, it was the emergence of the Internet itself.  Look what it led to.  Who could have envisioned Google or Facebook back then?  And those companies just keep coming.  So, if you think of the Internet as what made possible the decentralization of information, this new wave of innovation will enable the decentralization of so much more.  It’s why we keep asking, ‘Why not reimagine everything?’”

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BitShares PTS / Re: [HELP NEEDED] accidentally deleted pts wallet!
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:59:10 am »
I'm very nervous at this moment. I was trying to figure out how many BTS I will have. So I checked my pts wallet on my PC. then I found out that my 0.98 wallet was deleted (shift+delete) by myself after I sent all the rest of pts on it to my wallet on my mac and upgraded the PC version to 1.0 . I forgot THE old Wallet was the one I used to donate for AGS......................
   now I lost the wallet, and I thought the 1.0 will automatically save all the content from 0.98, I never knew they are totally separate ones.
   So, please help me, I donated around 230 pts from that wallet in two different times-- one 30 and another 200. the address is  PgLqTbH6pGLfLR57NBsqNgfXxfHgAwzPyJ.
   I used the same wallet to buy my fonder ID for keyhotee, and my Keyhotee public key is 7Mo9BtejttxJk1zLMLqJL9cM5HrGWkp3u7XzoATDVHE3jw3ckC
   I have total control of my heyhotee and hopefully the transaction record (from my pc to my mac) can both serve as a proof of my ags. that means a lot to me.

were you able to recover?

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General Discussion / Re: Currency as a Unit of Account
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:56:06 am »
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I believe that this article in informative on some of the shortcomings of bitcoin as a currency. Bitcoin has tackled the challenge of currency being a medium of exchange but has neglected its use as a store of value and unit of account. The concepts behind Bitshares on the other hand  solve the issues associated with a currency being a store of value as one can theoretically store value in whatever asset they want. Not enough emphasis however has been placed on the last use of money as a unit of account, which I believe is something that can be solved by bitshares also. I think that a future chian of bitshares should incorporate assets that are inflation-indexed so as to maintain their purchasing power even as the local currencies depreciate. One of the things that has always troubled me when studying economics is the divergence between nominal and real value. It seems to me that we have entered an age where the nominal space is no longer necessary and we need simply to concern ourselves with the real.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/business/in-search-of-a-stable-electronic-currency.html?ref=business&pagewanted=all

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General Discussion / Re: DAS Tools
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:55:01 am »
C++ sucks balls for anything other than the core networking/blockchain code and the whole dev setup now scares away newcomes who give up after 30 minutes. Most of the stuff new devs would want to work on are not in the core BTS codebase anyway, they want to quickly and easily interact with the BTS ecosystem.

 +5% nice to see GO deliverables here. I was playing with GO on Ethereum great potential for ease of use.

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General Discussion / Re: which will be the next?
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:47:29 am »
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i would like "Bitshares Bingo" first.so more people come and join in DACs.

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General Discussion / Re: Get your BTS X balance easily from web
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:43:29 am »
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Copy and paste all your PTS/BTC address

http://yibite.com/query/bts.php


then do the sum yourself. There might be hidden address in your wallet, so use "listaddressgroupings" to display all your donation address first.

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can you recommend a good translator? would love hear more from China. +5%

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BitShares PTS / Re: Price
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:37:29 am »
What?
The price represents the current market valuation. At every moment in the future, the price will reflect the market valuation at that moment. You want I3 to prop it up somehow by infusing it with even more value? You want the market value to be higher than the market value. Did you buy PTS on wrong assumptions about what it represents or something? There's no deadline for DAC proposals...

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Unless they release a product favoring PTS soon or ask a third party to do so, then PTS may not recover, else it will recover when they finally get round to it, but it will be temporary and after that it will drop beyond redemption.

"PTS will drop and not recover unless it recovers before then".

I think the point is, this is another symptom of the failure to communicate even basic messaging.  PTS *should* be very valuable, arguably more valuable now that Invictus has proven (ostensibly) that this vehicle can actually deliver a new, unique blockchain product and therefore they'll do it again.

But the only messaging I saw threw out a bunch of ideas, the majority of which they don't think they'll build this year because Bitshares itself will take so much time, so outside help is needed and a high value contest (bounty) is most appropriate IMO given the variables in this situation.  You promote the contest through various channels, it brings in new developers and people who want to see what the developers are building, you spend no time and a fixed amount of resources for a variable and increasing (if you do it right) number of participants and work.

Do you mean 3rd party DACs? Otherwise it's almost certain they'd pay that reward to themselves for BTS X or BTS DNS.

I don't think BTS products should count

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BitShares PTS / Re: Left my all PTS in Bter....What happens now?
« on: March 04, 2014, 12:36:30 am »
Be happy. Bter makes good on the deal!

You can see in your balance on bter that you have PTS_S in addition to PTS. Once Bitshares is out, you can use these PTS_S to claim your shares. (:

I'm in the same situation as CLains, except that my PTS is at Cryptsy. Will I be able to claim my shares? Plz say YES!

I would contact Cryptsy, but it is very unlikely.

Reach out to BigVern on twitter, I've had success by being nice. They are building cred and trust, good deeds are in their best interest.

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