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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BSIP76:Set bitUSD feed threshold
« on: October 14, 2019, 10:31:32 am »

The feed is irrelevant.
What is relevant is the real price on DEX for which you get BTS for your bitUSD.

Big lie! If I want to force settle, which is supposed to be my right as a BitAsset holder,  I will be offered the price-feed value, not the market value. Thence, price-feed is totally relevant.

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BSIP76:Set bitUSD feed threshold
« on: October 14, 2019, 01:15:55 am »
At this very moment on CMC:

1 Bts = 0.027473 USD = A

According to the DEX's fake and corrupt and greedy price-feed:

1 Bts = 1/price-feed = 1/28.98551 = 0.0345 = B

So, the percent difference is:

100 x (B-A)/A = 25.6 %  !!!!

Now, tell me where did you get your 9%

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Stakeholder Proposals / Re: [Poll] BSIP76:Set bitUSD feed threshold
« on: October 13, 2019, 11:17:31 pm »
1 BitUsd now is around 20% below the peg.

So, BitCrab and CN-vote gang, will you let it go 50% off the peg to save your greedy and careless asses?

What a shameless and outright theft you are doing!

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General Discussion / Re: bitCNY live on LATOKEN from 14 October
« on: October 08, 2019, 06:17:43 pm »

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You buy more BTS make the price above 0.22 then it's pegged again.

How is it so? It's already 0.028 on CMC and 0.03 on the DEX!

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General Discussion / Re: A thought experiment on Bitshares.
« on: October 02, 2019, 04:33:44 pm »
The vote weight from the 1x CR from any BTS backed bitasset should be allocated to the bitasset holder, not the debt holder.

Bad idea....gives shitloads of power to BTS shorters..and it's much easier to drop price than raise it

I'd rather have that voting weight "lost" ....essentially the debtor's incentive is for price to go up, the holder's is for it to go down....one has put up 1x collateral, the other holds an asset worth 1x collateral with opposite incentives.

I'd say consider them as cancelling each other out and not assign that weight at all

I adjusted my conclusion accordingly. The advantage of having Joe's voting power = his collateral above 1 is that he has an incentive to add collateral.

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General Discussion / Re: A thought experiment on Bitshares.
« on: October 02, 2019, 09:06:14 am »
The vote weight from the 1x CR from any BTS backed bitasset should be allocated to the bitasset holder, not the debt holder.

Anything greater than the 1x CR should be allocated to the debt holder, but the 1x CR is effectively the property of the bitasset holder since the debtor sold the bitasset (and thusly the underlying BTS) to the now bitasset holder.

Interesting thought experiment, sounds familiar.. 🤔

Isn't that the case already? How is this exactly programmed into the core protocol?

Joe has 1000 bts and let's suppose 1 bts = 1 USD. Voting power of Joe = 1000.

Joe borrows 500 BitUSD by using his 1000 bts as collateral at a CR=2. He keeps his 500 BitUSD, What's his voting power now? 1000 or 1500?

Now, Joe buys 500 Bts from Carol using his 500 BitUSD. Carol is left with 500 BitUSD only.  Now Joe's voting power is 1500.

Before the transaction Carol's voting power = 500. What's Carol voting power after the trade?

I think the correct way to handle this according to the following equation proposed by Clockwork:

  • Joe's voting power after the trade: Collateral above of Cr=1
  • Carol's voting power from the trade: 0
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That is, in our example, once Joe uses his first 1000 Bts to create 500 BitUSD at a CR=2. His voting power becomes 500. Not because of the 500 BitUSD he holds now, but because the 500 Bts he has in excess collateral.

Once Joe takes those 500 BitUSD to Buy 500 Bts, his collateral is 1000 again. 500 bts from excess collateral + 500 Bts he just bought.

If Joe uses those 500 Bts to create 250 BitUsd, at a CR= 2, his voting power now becomes 500 Bts from excess collateral from the first trade + 250 Bts from excess collateral from the 2nd trade = 750.

Etc.

Sapiens

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General Discussion / Re: Shorting Attack Protection?
« on: October 01, 2019, 06:05:03 pm »
If the exact peg finally lead BTS to 0, why should we insist on it?

smartcoin peg is one purpose of BTS, not all, or not at the highest priority.

we just found that BTS cannot afford smartcoin exact peg at any conditions, need to adjust the policy.

Because it is not the peg what drives Bts price down. Proof of this is that we have had sustained increases in dollar price without breaking the peg in the past.

What drives price down is the dumping on CEXs. Do you want to drive price up? Simply stop the dumping. Do you want to stop the dumping? Simply convince people that Bitshares is a reliable ecosystem.

Finally, you want to generate a long term damage to this network? Simply deteriorate people's faith on it. Just like you are doing right now.

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General Discussion / A thought experiment on Bitshares.
« on: October 01, 2019, 04:26:48 pm »
A thought experiment about bitshares:

Let's suppose 1Bts = 1 USD.

Joe has 1000 bts which represent 1000 votes to him on the Bitshares ecosystem.

Joe uses his bts to borrow 500 bitUSD at a CR=2

He then uses those 500 bitUSD to buy 500 bts. Now he has a voting power of 1500 on the ecosystem.

He now uses this 500 bts to borrow 250 BitUSD and buy more bts. His voting power now is 1750.

And so on, and so forth.

Eventually, with an investment of 1000 bts Joe duplicates his voting power.

When bts price goes down, Joe uses his newly acquired (and created out of thin air) voting power to coerce every witness into faking the price-feed and into breaking the Peg.

He also wants the MCR to be brought down to 1.1 instead of 1.6. He has found that, with such low MCR, his initial 1000USD could be converted to 10K worth of voting power.

He argues that because he IS the community, he has right to change the rules. He argues that because he IS the community, he must not keep the deals he agreed upon at the moment of opening his debt positions.

Other businesses and people that rely on BitAssests trustworthiness, are also part of the community but, of course, they are not AS important.

Bitshares brand may also be damaged by the move, but that's not AS important.

Now, with an altered price-feed, Joe can go into as much as debt as he wants. For, he will never be margin called, forever. Ever creating more and more shitty BitUSD.

Question #1: Who is Joe?
Question #2: Do you think Joe will stop here?

Answer to question #1: Joe is any weak spirit who falls prey of his greediness and the wrong set of incentives. If, according to the Bitshares protocol, voting power can be created out of thin air, at the sole expense of borrowing BitAssets into existence then, by the law of probability, somebody will exactly do as Joe.

So, what's the conclusion? The whole process of SmartAssets creation need to be re-designed. The collateral is not held by the debtor but by the blockchain as a guarantee. Thence, its voting power cannot be held by the debtor either. Also, if any given entity can increase its voting power by creating debt then, as a consequence, the decision making of the blockchain is being transferred to the most impulsive and risk avid individuals. This must not be the case, if we pretend this blockchain to grow strong.


Answer to question #2: No

Sapiens

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Thanks to everyone for the initiative.

Next time, a video recording, or at least a voice recording would help. So that we can listen the dialog while driving, cooking, etc.

S.


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I propose that a fund is created to take over weakly collateralized margin positions. and whenever this fund's CR tops a given value, let’s say 3, the excess of collateral is used to buy some smart-assets in the market, assets like BitUSD, BitBTC, etc. These new bought assets can then be put in a second fund, whose mission should be to pay for workers, not in BTS as today happens, but directly in stable coins. This last step should alleviate the effect from the other feedback loop: the WFL.


WFL: Worker Feedback Loop, is the dumping of BTS in the market by the same very workers that are improving the system.

I took from my analysis, here:

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@aguerrido/feedback-loops-and-analysis-of-bitshares-architecture-in-relation-to-smart-assets-sustainability

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Worker are already paid in bitAssets by shorting BTS on the DEX.

Exactly, that shorting we must prevent.

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General Discussion / Re: Thoughts on new OMO fund
« on: August 10, 2019, 12:10:56 am »
I support only if the so called OMO fund is planned as a mean to pay the workers using stable SmartAssets instead of bts.

Also, aside from BitFiat, the fund should help revibe BitBtC

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General Discussion / Re: New BSIP:GS protection via core code
« on: August 09, 2019, 11:57:12 pm »

I just saw this!

Sure man, this is al open source! ;D ;D ;D

BTW, I had to check about 10 reCAPCHATs to be able to post this. Quite suspicious.

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1. Createing bitAssets with a margin position takes some risk
2. You can decrease the reserve pool spending by voting for the refund workers
3. We should introduce a margin call fee (0.1-0.2%) to increase income
4. We should also increase the costs for make/take an order to increase income

We need to pay the workers in SmartAssets, not necessarily created on margin calls by the reserve pool. Instead, it could be assets strategically bought on the market. Paying workers in bts is a shoot in the foot of the system to itself. And that is because those workers  dump their just earned bts on the market, either for BTC or a fiat/stable coin just to pay for their bills. This dump lowers BTS price and accelerates de depletion of the reserve pool with each new worker.

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I totally support this.

The topic of which asset use to pay workers has implications al around the ecosystem, including global settlement. I wrote a pretty deep analysis about it.

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A second, harmful, negative-feedback loop on BTS price comes via Bitshares’ workers. Worker is the name given by the community to the projects, financed by the blockchain itself, that contribute to the improvement of the ecosystem. Paradoxically, the more workers are financed, the more BTS is sold, on a daily basis, by those very workers in order to obtain BTC or fiat to pay for their bills. So, the workers’ need to sell big chunks of BTS daily is driving the price down in the immediate term, and this is mostly independent of market conditions. In a bull market this effect is somehow lessened by the stimulus of the people behind the workers to keep some BTS and profit from the rise in price. However that’s not always possible due their own immediate financial obligations. Under bearish conditions, on the other hand, the effect from this constant ‘dump’ of BTS into the market may be dramatic. For the purpose of this writing, I will call this second feedback “Worker Feedback Loop (WFL)”.     

To see the whole analysis you can go here

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@aguerrido/feedback-loops-and-analysis-of-bitshares-architecture-in-relation-to-smart-assets-sustainability

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