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General Discussion / Re: Privatizing BitAssets
« on: May 06, 2015, 01:02:26 pm »
I've suggested on the 'Ripple fined' thread, there's a difference between two classes of asset related digital token:

Class 3: Tokens with value pegged to match other assets
Class 4: Tokens that are explicitly linked to real world assets

In the event that BitShares ventures beyond Class 3 and into Class 4, it might expect more interest from Government but that should not be beyond Government helping to establish licensing and making the law clear and responsive in ways that help evidence and enforce the explicit link between digital token and asset.

Only money transport services like Ripple truely need AML and KYC etc.. another reason not to partner with Ripple.

This assuming Government acts rational.. the UK is making sensible moves but the US is already off target, so unclear what will happen in reality.

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General Discussion / Re: Ripple fined
« on: May 06, 2015, 10:06:57 am »
This bit is very interesting:

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Pursuant to the agreement, Ripple Labs will also undertake certain enhancements to the Ripple Protocol to appropriately monitor all future transactions.

Could regulators put pressure on Bytemaster & co to change the BitShares protocol? Of course the answer to that would be "the community has the source code and wouldnt accept those changes" (I would fork them out immediately).

Is the main difference that Ripple was selling the XRP themselves, so its not really centralized whereas BitShares isnt really owned/sold by any one group?

It helps to consider different classes of activity.
Done right, I would expect to see the following.. and it seems the UK perhaps is gearing up for this.
Ripple is clearly Class 2 below and no surprise from the fine, I would expect strict KYC and AML will be enforced on them.. quite right too.
BitShares atm is Class 3 and perhaps BTS could be considered Class 1.


Class 1: Money
# Would expect: No regulation or Government intervention needed here.

Class 2: Money transport
# Would expect: KYC and other consumer protection and the usual requirements for money transfer services, might be appropriate.

Class 3: Tokens with value pegged to match other assets
# Would expect: No regulation or Government intervention needed here.

Class 4: Tokens that are explicitly linked to real world assets
# Would expect: Government could help establish licensing and making the law clear and responsive in ways that help evidence and enforce the explicit link between digital token and asset.

Class 5: Zero value applications, such as private key signing.
# Would expect: No action at this time.


and then also, I've suggested before:
Class 2 and Class 4, could benefit from having a certain level of Government regulation and consumer protection. While digital currencies or tokens can represent value, it is only those explicitly linked to real world assets and wealth that need Government regulation and consumer protection. Blockchain technology, for all its acting in place of third party authority, cannot bridge the gap from the internet into the real world.

Class 1 and Class 3, needs no regulation by Government and would suffer from that. The exchange of those classes between people, might need to be acknowledged and understood by courts and in legislation. To be clear, the values within these digital currencies and pegged assets, are a private concern and it would be inappropriate and unnecessary for Government to interfere with those interests.

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The question is kind of misframing my point(though respectful and constructive, as I have come to expect from you). There is nothing keeping 1000's of businesses from using the bitshares platform, but we have to provide incentives for businesses to want to do the opposite of what we see today. It is a matter of incentives...and a delegate to subsidize your freedom-loving (3D Printing, free energy) business is a huge benefit.  This is especially true if competitors are monitoring each other in hopes of taking eachothers' delegates.  I think the incentives are absolutely critical. 

It isn't just that we reach a high marketcap, but also how we set the foundation for that growth in a way that incentivizes companies to see bitshares' citizens' rights as the number one priority.

But this is not the point of the OP. ;)

The incentive should be the utility that BitShares provides. There is no point in a product that need subsidising .. bribing users is a short term indicator that something's wrong. If the timing is wrong, then wait a while and find a different class of user/audience who will engage at this stage.

If it's a matter of bridging that gap in time, then approach Richard Branson or similar.. he's apparently hosting some Bitcoin summit roughly now: http://www.coindesk.com/richard-branson-blockchain-summit-private-island/ If not him, then Bill Gates etc. Fortune favours the brave?

Perhaps what we need more that what is typically PR, is ambassadors. The best will be those close to the core dev team who can communicate exactly on target what is possible and inspire that support.

Trifold brochures etc are all very well.. but who's getting the message? The measure of PR/Marketing is the volume [quality x quantity] of the message they are creating. It's unclear that the message is getting out or to the right people in the right way.. perhaps it is and we're suffering the natural evolution of BitShares class of activity right now, coupled with pressure on BTC from merchants turning it over. Perhaps the halving date in 2017 will be the next uptick. Plan for worst case and enjoy the difference..  8)

Edit: fixed detail of Richard Branson event : http://www.coindesk.com/richard-branson-blockchain-summit-private-island/

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General Discussion / Re: Should there even be a PR Focus Group? (Poll)
« on: April 29, 2015, 07:25:46 pm »
ehm .. most content if not all in the wiki has been written for FREE by volunteers of the community .. how come you think you can get paid for doing it?

People are free to pitch for a delegate in whatever way they want. Votes win prizes..

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General Discussion / Re: Should there even be a PR Focus Group? (Poll)
« on: April 29, 2015, 04:21:57 pm »
@robrigo and I are doing the Wikipedia pages as we speak.
 
Rough Draft work:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zCMUJtqB3Gm9Za9plByINf_MRy0oPr5zuEU5BpyhvRQ/edit
 
Final Draft work:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BitShares

Very encouraged by all your efforts @kenCode  :)

In that wiki beta, is that block of Background really more important than the concept? Can I suggest that the history of BitShares is a bore?.. Block 1 of the wiki then should be later just ~"The History of BitShares Evolution".

Also, perhaps it needs something sharp at the top to punch those who don't like to read too much. Perhaps: "BitShares - The Decentralized ?+'Asset'? Exchange. Trade Dollars, Gold, Bitcoin, and more without counterparty risk."

 +5%

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General Discussion / Re: Should there even be a PR Focus Group? (Poll)
« on: April 29, 2015, 03:39:56 pm »
What do you think about bitcoins difficulty in governing  itself?

Consensus is everything. Consensus follows from form resolving over time. Hammer the same point over and over until everyone is fed up with it. Only then make a change. Too much changes are hard to follow and unsettling.

People like stability. If they are uncertain, they will not invest or they will move to the next novelty. Same goes for all projects.

Done right, BitShares has huge potential. Nothing has substaintially changed.


At the moment everything blockchain related is something like survival of the fittest, the strongest and most persistent thoughts will survive. Uncertainty rules as legislation frustrates innovation but those projects that are prepared and ready for a big influx of investment once that is given the green light will succeed.

I keep repeating my view relative to BitShares because I think it's key: We need focus, to help resolve and establish sustainable consensus.. and we need to ensure the message is crystal clear and unambiguous.. [Milestones; a clear list of what is unique about BitShares; a Mission statement; a Vision statement] will help with that. The GUI seems to have taken a big step forward and I've not looked closely but I expect there efforts to make it faster to update and especially on first use.

PR perhaps then can help define the limits and parameters of what's likely and possible, so consensus is easy. The worst case is that nothing is defined; everyone with their own interpretations of uncertainty and expectations for BitShares, and all those then finding more difference than similarity. Which again, is why having input from leaders is key to maintain focus.

One of my previous posts critiqued the wiki, for addressing only one audience. Put a link at the top of the forum to the singular detail that literally everyone should know. PR perhaps can help making that detail clear to different audiences. Think like someone who knows nothing about BitShares and stumble over the different entry points. Are there enough examples of what to expect?

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General Discussion / Re: Should there even be a PR Focus Group? (Poll)
« on: April 29, 2015, 02:15:27 pm »
There is value in effort that breaks new ground, reaches out and engages new investors - communicating the message clearly.

It's not a matter of working hard but working effectively. The form of PR/marketing we do not need is the form that large corporations use cynically as damage management.

Anything that can leverage interest and new business, that can release devs and others who can work more effectively on other areas, is worthwhile.

So, perhaps we need more Sales/marketing than PR/marketing. Whichever way you want to consider it, there is work to be done ensuring that those who could use BitShares understand its potential.

Where is the low hanging fruit?.. Is it possible to get into MSM? Producing YouTube vidoes maybe useful but is enough being done to ensure that the message is getting where it's needed. Navel gazing adds no value.. Is BitShares talking to new people?.. Again I think setting out the stall with simple elements that can act as hooks and catch the curious, do matter: Milestones; a clear list of what is unique about BitShares; a Mission statement; a Vision statement.

PR experts perhaps can review the outputs and reform those for different audiences.. channel people by their interest to what they need to know, make it simple to understand and simple to action their interest.

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General Discussion / Re: Oh the Irony...
« on: April 28, 2015, 10:17:08 am »
...and here we all are sobbing like babies :D

It would be nice instead to have a simple set of milestones to point at. Something simple like http://maidsafe.net/roadmap would be ideal.

Milestones; a list of what is unique; coupled with both a mission statement and a vision statement. I don't know, why we don't have those already - front and centre. There's no point in pulling punches in a competitive market. Perhaps it doesn't matter and the market caps are an illusion but it would be nice to make the most of simple opportunities where there exist.

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General Discussion / Re: Can we implement Patreon in bitshares?
« on: April 27, 2015, 08:18:26 pm »
That would be a good idea for PeerTracks too.. are they limiting themselves to music or all art?.. It does seem to be music obviously but could easily be any digital art??

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General Discussion / Re: Staff Meeting Notes - Monday, April 20, 2015
« on: April 23, 2015, 09:04:36 pm »

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General Discussion / Re: Staff Meeting Notes - Monday, April 20, 2015
« on: April 23, 2015, 07:29:23 pm »
Perhaps could have an indicator on a scale of 1 to 10, so we know how excited to get?..

1.. Progress as normal
2.. New PR brochure out in June.
.
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7.. Partnering with Ripple
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11.. Partnering with the a central bank and BTS will be rebranded as GBP.

Place your bets..  :P

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General Discussion / Re: Gift Off
« on: April 23, 2015, 07:13:18 pm »
Will send them an email later.. just getting DDOS'd :/

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General Discussion / Gift Off
« on: April 23, 2015, 11:39:01 am »
Gift Off UK adds Fifty New Gift Cards to their Collection & Expands Operations Further
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Gift Off which specialises in offering gift cards in exchange for over 27 different digital currencies has just this week added another fifty options to their range of over one hundred and eighty gift cards already available, as well as expanding their operations into another few European countries.

See https://giftoff.com/

I have to say I hesitate because I cannot find proof that they are not just using stolen credit cards.. which would be a simple scam to work.

Still if it's for real, then perhaps BitShares and bitUSD.. or better bitEUR and bitGBP should be included?
https://giftoff.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202402432-Can-you-add-this-currency-to-Gift-Off-

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That non-fishy example would only work on the back of a known establish organisation backing it up.. otherwise it looks like bad math. Who's going to invest in a new startup that is guaranteed to lose money?.. d'oh! ;D

For the OP's pitch, I'd suggest evidence is the best route to confidence. Provide depth of information and show a well costed business case. It's too easy to take other people's money encouraged by good intentions.

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