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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:20:53 pm »
Quote from: tbone on January 28, 2016, 03:17:05 pm
Quote from: wallace on January 28, 2016, 03:07:45 pm
Quote from: tbone on January 28, 2016, 03:02:44 pm
Quote from: bitcrab on January 28, 2016, 02:48:11 pm
Quote from: jakub on January 28, 2016, 02:33:28 pm
Quote from: bitcrab on January 28, 2016, 02:07:06 pm
I hope you do not announce it in recent days,  if you announce it today I can only reject it, no other choice.
@bitcrab
And what is the reason for you having no choice?



because I plan to propose to do the real fee reduction to 1 BTS if I get enough support from forum.
so it will be better to announce your worker proposal after I finished this issue, either fail or succeed finally.
my proposal do not cost BTS, while yours will cost a lot.

Why do you continue to push for fees that are below our costs?  This is very irresponsible.  Also, even a flat fee at our cost would effectively kill the referral program.  If you succeed, that would be the second time you pushed your agenda through a back door.  That is terrible behavior.  You need to be stopped and removed from the committee.

why? just because a few people think this is not something you like?

You ask why?  Should I explain it to you like you're 5?  bitcrab is arguing to have a flat fee that is LESS than the cost to the network, and LESS than the spam deterrent.  He wants us to lose money on transfers, and he doesn't mind opening up an attack vector.  Do you think that is responsible behavior?

yes, because currently I do think lowering the fees is the right way to lead bitshares to success.

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:13:59 pm »
Quote from: tbone on January 28, 2016, 03:08:49 pm
Quote from: alt on January 28, 2016, 02:40:33 pm
of couse low fee could bring us more liquility than high fee.
you even doubt this?
I have no idea about this duscussion

Lower fees will bring more liquidity, but only to a point.  After that point, you gain nothing in liquidity and only reduce income by having lower fees.  You have NOT shown that you have the slightest clue where that point is.  So the only guarantee is that we will reduce income.  That is a fact.  Do you get it?  Probably not.

you need to think it bigger, pink

temporary no income doesn't mean no income. a lot of corporations attract plenty of users through free services at early stage.

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:07:45 pm »
Quote from: tbone on January 28, 2016, 03:02:44 pm
Quote from: bitcrab on January 28, 2016, 02:48:11 pm
Quote from: jakub on January 28, 2016, 02:33:28 pm
Quote from: bitcrab on January 28, 2016, 02:07:06 pm
I hope you do not announce it in recent days,  if you announce it today I can only reject it, no other choice.
@bitcrab
And what is the reason for you having no choice?

because I plan to propose to do the real fee reduction to 1 BTS if I get enough support from forum.
so it will be better to announce your worker proposal after I finished this issue, either fail or succeed finally.
my proposal do not cost BTS, while yours will cost a lot.

Why do you continue to push for fees that are below our costs?  This is very irresponsible.  Also, even a flat fee at our cost would effectively kill the referral program.  If you succeed, that would be the second time you pushed your agenda through a back door.  That is terrible behavior.  You need to be stopped and removed from the committee.

why? just because a few people think this is not something you like?

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 03:00:20 pm »
Quote from: Akado on January 28, 2016, 12:58:19 pm
@tbone I guess you don't pay attention. Where did I mention the flaw you pointed was towards the referral system or that you didn't support it?

I'm talking about all this sudden "need" to change what we have now. The quote from you is not even from the referral program but from the Lifetime membership part, which I disagree with you. It sets a commitment to the network and it's good to have that. Everyone is free to pay it or not.

@wallace if you want I can make 50 fake accounts and vote whatever option I want. Does your statement continue to stand true? Shareholder voting matters, not pools. These just help give an idea. It's not because of this pool that we need to "wake up". Unless you want me to make 50 fake accounts, of course.

if you think these are fake accounts, I have no idea because I can not prove it. but I know most of chinese community member support to lower the fee to 1

and as you said, let's vote on our blockchain

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 12:38:32 pm »
wake up... looking at this voting result

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 10:46:57 am »
it seems like if we wait, finally the people will realize how amazing our system is and they will come to follow us.

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the "1 BTS for transfer" proposal
« on: January 28, 2016, 06:23:54 am »
 +5% +5% +5%

apperciated your hard work for bitshares, bitcrab.

I always support to lower the fee just because our current situation is far from making profit. no user, no profit. referral system is useless under this situation. if you want the referral system work, lower the fee is the right choice now, maybe half a year later we can start to higher the fee if we have enough real users.

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 如果你能决定，你希望现在的转账费用是多少
« on: January 27, 2016, 04:45:25 pm »
看到这么多人回复，仿佛看到了一点希望

为了我们自己，尽量投票吧！

降低手续费这个事如果真的能成功，那将是宣告中国社区回归的一天！

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 如果你能决定，你希望现在的转账费用是多少
« on: January 27, 2016, 03:13:02 pm »
1BTS

希望1BTS能够持续至少三个月到半年，能够带来相当数量的用户再考虑适当提高手续费的问题

我在英文社区也提过这个，但BM的无脑死忠们说这样搞是在做慈善，无语。。。

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 按百分比计算转账手续费功能，开发完成
« on: January 21, 2016, 04:30:12 pm »
只要降低，就支持，降得越低越支持

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中文 (Chinese) / Re: 无缝衔接：中国人民银行数字货币研讨会在京召开
« on: January 21, 2016, 04:22:20 pm »
Quote from: ebit on January 21, 2016, 02:29:11 pm
无缝衔接，是比特股下一阶段要优化的重点。目前，比特股犹如孤岛，所提供的服务只能供我们自娱自乐。一旦要和网站应用衔接时，就发现缺乏资料，缺乏技术支持。仅有 sharebits 和openledger做出了些尝试，但，对整个互联网用户群来说，这种尝试的门槛非常高。所以，比特股的开发者们应该将注意力分一部分来满足潜在用户群的技术渴求。

如果每个论坛都可以一键定制自己的网页钱包，那么，论坛积分就可以导入内盘。论坛用户无障碍的进行积分交易，感觉不到比特股的存在。

以BM为首的一部分人认为普通的用户都是投机者，投机是可耻的行为，我们的系统这么高大上，大家很快就会被吸引，什么文档啊规则啊，这么好的系统难道不会自己研究？什么？没人用？我这么好的系统没人用？一定是你们自己太懒了，你们这样的人对BTS没有尊重感，没有loyalty, 早早离开吧，不需要你们！

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the percent based transfer fee
« on: January 21, 2016, 04:08:12 pm »
Quote from: jakub on January 21, 2016, 02:28:29 pm
Quote from: wallace on January 21, 2016, 01:57:41 pm
why bitshares lack of users, just because these kind of words.

a feature, a system, people choose not to use it, the problem must be up to the system itself, not the users.

I strongly disagree.
We cannot satisfy everyone.

We are talking about one kind of user: one who is rich enough to move large amounts of money on a regular basis but is not willing to pay $100 for LTM.
Do you really think we can sponsor such a user and still have a sustainable business that supports its own development?

This is an illusion. We are a business, not a charity.

Please give me an example of an existing system where you can move a large amount of money on pay-as-you-go basis without paying substantial transfer fees.
And please include:
- cost of covering the price volatility risk (so for bitcoin transfers add the cost of hedging volatility and converting from and to fiat)
- cost of maintaining a bank account (so for legacy systems add the monthly cost of keeping a business account with a bank)

the reality is almost no new user use the referral system. what you're talking about is most like we already have 2 crowd, 1 is the referral system users, 1 is the crowd want to take advantage of the system. do we?

shortly meet the requirement of speculators is not charity, currently we need every thing we can do to attract the speculators, even the system have no profit, these people will bring much more users to the system and system will have profit in future because of this. a long vision is a business just needed. honestly I think we should reduce the transfer fee to 1 BTS for at least 3 months or half an year.

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General Discussion / Re: poll for the percent based transfer fee
« on: January 21, 2016, 01:57:41 pm »
Quote from: jakub on January 21, 2016, 11:45:43 am
Quote from: bitcrab on January 20, 2016, 08:30:22 am
I do not understand why you set cap to 100 BTS, which means each time one transfer more than 100k BTS will pay 100BTS, about $0.3
in my view the cap should be close or a little above 0.0001 BTC, that's why I prefer 20 BTS.
it will be funny if the BTS transfer be more expensive than inter-Bank CNY transfer.

If you are a user who needs to transfer bigger amounts on a regular basis, you need to become LTM.

That's the whole point of the referral program.
If you buy LTM, BitShares can offer you very competitive pricing, much better than inter-bank fees.
If you don't buy LTM, you will only have the small transfers cheap, not the big ones.

In other words, there is only one group of users who are not taken care of: those who want to transfer big amounts on a regular basis but still don't want to buy LTM.
And my point is this: we will be fine if we ignore this group of users - they need to go away, BitShares is not for them.

The original intention of percentage-based fees was to offer the following deal to the big-transfer guys:
- either you agree to sponsor the small-transfer guys
- or you buy LTM

If the percentage-based fees project turns out to be a backdoor way to kill the referral program, it will be hard for me to continue supporting it.

EDIT: It's not fair to compare non-LTM transfer fees to inter-bank transfer fees.
You don't get access to inter-bank transfers if you haven't paid huge fees beforehand for setting up and maintaining an account there.

why bitshares lack of users, just because these kind of words.

a feature, a system, people choose not to use it, the problem must be up to the system itself, not the users.

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General Discussion / Re: why bts lack users？？？？？？？？
« on: January 21, 2016, 05:03:21 am »
Quote from: alt on January 21, 2016, 04:56:34 am
Quote from: sudo on January 21, 2016, 04:37:03 am
why？？？？？？
maybe everybody have known that they have to pay for development and high fees when they join us.
anyway, in this year, I never introduce BTS to my friend or anybody else.
and a lot of people which I know as an active community memeber have left BTS.

because we belive we deserve the higher payment because of our NiuBilitiy techincal, but nobody else think so

it's just a few people's toy

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General Discussion / Re: Mt Gox > Cryptsy - Time for BTS?
« on: January 15, 2016, 09:33:17 am »
Bitshares can fix this kind of Mt Gox issue? the answer is no. for this case, the difference is DEX will never been frozen.

For example, let's try to imagine a scenario when ccedk cold wallet been hacked: their BTC/LTC/BTS... was gone, if you have ccedk issued UIA you will lost money, but if you have already traded the UIA to some other smartcoin or UIA which not belongs to ccedk you will survive. the worst case is that you didn't know about this and you still bought the OPENBTC, OPENLTC.....

so before reintroduce our DEX to other community let's think it twice, what kind of problem Bitshares can fix?

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