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1、115快照的PTS能否参加后续第三方DAC的分配?原来说的至少10%还算数吗?
2、合并后的BTS开发计划如何。DNS多久能出来。
3、SEC正在进行的调查,3I会不会受影响?
4、对发帖前DNS购买者的补偿方案确定了吗?何时实施?

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translated from here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10672.msg141720#msg141720 1. After Nov. 5th, sould 3rd party still honor PTS by allocating shares to them? Are they still 10% at least? 2. Wht is the roadmap of the superDAC? When will the DNS function be launched? 3. What is the effect of the investigation of SEC to I3? 4. What is the plan for DNS buyers? When will it be implemented?
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用少量通胀给机枪矿池10%的补贴,这样所有通过机枪矿池的人挖BTS比挖其他的收益高出大约10%。就能吸引更多人用机枪矿池挖BTS
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关于通胀
1、新规则下代表工资在满负载和空载下,100%支付率50BTS每块的报酬是否都一样?比如按现在的交易量,100%支付率代表一天收入约多少?
2、线性解锁的两年PTS,VOTE,DNS,AGS,通胀已达10%,在加上代表工资通胀,这是否与BM所说的年通胀最多10%矛盾?
3、通胀封顶吗?还是无限通胀?

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about inflation: 1. if the new superDAC will use inflation to pay delegates, when a delegate is full loaded (10trx/block) and ilde (0trx/block), will this delegate get same 50BTS (assuming pay rate 100%)? 2. in the first 2 years of superDAC, PTS, VOTE, DNS, AGS holders will be air-dropped by inflation. Furthermore, delegates will be paid by inflation too. Will these altogether exceed 10% as BM promised? 3. Is inflation rate limited or un-limited?
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北京时间,什么时候开

目前是每週五晚上十一 點 (上次是九點, 對美西的人來說是早上六點太早了)
但是由於mumble多人會議是要錢的,
目前都是由fuzzy在掏腰包, 所以:
1. 想問問題的可以事先問
2. 如果要增加人數上限就得加錢, 請用實際行動表示支持
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关于通胀
1、新规则下代表工资在满负载和空载下,100%支付率50BTS每块的报酬是否都一样?比如按现在的交易量,100%支付率代表一天收入约多少?
2、线性解锁的两年PTS,VOTE,DNS,AGS,通胀已达10%,在加上代表工资通胀,这是否与BM所说的年通胀最多10%矛盾?
3、通胀封顶吗?还是无限通胀?
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北京时间,什么时候开

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1、115快照的PTS能否参加后续第三方DAC的分配?原来说的至少10%还算数吗?
2、合并后的BTS开发计划如何。DNS多久能出来。
3、SEC正在进行的调查,3I会不会受影响?
4、对发帖前DNS购买者的补偿方案确定了吗?何时实施?

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translated from here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10672.msg141720#msg141720 1. After Nov. 5th, sould 3rd party still honor PTS by allocating shares to them? Are they still 10% at least? 2. Wht is the roadmap of the superDAC? When will the DNS function be launched? 3. What is the effect of the investigation of SEC to I3? 4. What is the plan for DNS buyers? When will it be implemented?
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关于合并,股东的疑惑:
1、DAC的盈利机制是否发生变化?(是否仍然是靠销毁受托人收取的交易手续费-减少股份总量等方式来为股东盈利)
中文社区有人对此存疑,担心BM因为找不到DAC的盈利方式,受托人没有利润,要搞通胀来给受托人发工资,每个块增发50BTS(他计算这将导致7%的年通胀)。
目前已引发踩踏事件。
+5% 及时传递信息,否则中文社区听风就是雨,踩踏不断,比如:

20141029晚BTSX跌破¥0.13……

log的AGS群里有人拿BM在此帖https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10679.0的发言断章取义截取这段话
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Each delegate position earns about $2500 per month at todays market cap with 100% pay.    A delegate with 100% pay rate under the new rules...  50 BTS per block.  这都是BM原话。
说BTS改规则了,BM找不到DAC获利的方法,现在的代表没利润,要挖矿搞通胀来发工资了,光发代表工资就年通胀7%。他认为,一个块“产生”50BTS,还不减半,比POW还狠……
在群集引起一阵恐慌,我不知道这是恶意做空还是什么,总之,又是一个信息沟通(语言交流)不畅导致的踩踏事件!

以下是我根据自己对原帖内容的理解给他的回复:
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建议你好好看原帖,上下文联系着看,从楼主的话开始看。

先看一个计算公式:
【50BTSX/块】÷101个代表×$0.02×6个块/分钟×60分钟/小时×24小时/天×30天/月
=$2,566.3366336634

然后我告诉你我读完原帖后的理解:
你索引的第一句话是BM在3#楼层的回帖,回帖全文为
【 I would support you in this... this would be a "salary position" and not "give away funds"... so I support such a position.

Each delegate position earns about $2500 per month at todays market cap with 100% pay.   It isn't much, but then again you are independently wealthy and are seeing your own stake grow. 】
BM对楼主的这一举动给予肯定和支持,并说很支持这样的推广型受托人职位,但这是一个“挣薪水的职位”,没有“资金补贴”。(言下之意,对于楼主的推广,3i不会支付薪水,只能靠自己在帖子里说到的那些推广计划,用实际行动去拉票,笼络持股人让你当选前101能挣薪水的受托人)
然后BM说目前受托人挣薪水的(最理想)状况是:按BTSX目前的市值一个受托人席位如果按100%支付率(即不销毁,把手续费全拿走)每个月能挣$2500(看上面的公式)。

BM只是在陈述代表挣薪水的状况,而12#楼层的Xeldal君提出了疑问【 I assume this $2500 a month is for a 'salary delegate' and not a standard delegate.  Is there some official explanation of what a salary delegate is/how it works.  I've obviously missed it. 】他理解为这是一个月工资$2500/月的“挣薪水受托人”(他自己发明的这个词,BM原话是说的“挣薪水的职位”)而不是一个标准的受托人职位(目前DPOS系统标准受托人是靠持股人投票支持当选的,一般支付率设置均不是100%,而是80%、50%、10%、1%甚至更低,支付率过高的都被股东踢出101队伍了),问能否给出个官方解释说说什么是挣薪水受托人以及他是怎么运作的?自己是不是已经错过了机会。

BM在13#楼层回复12#楼层的话:【
A delegate with 100% pay rate under the new rules...  50 BTS per block. 】意思是新规则下允许这样的挣薪水受托人:设置100%支付率(应该是可以受到额外照顾-用市场营销的推广成效让大家支持你继续当选前101受托人,把手续费全拿走而又不会被踢出101队伍),签署一个区块获得50BTS报酬。

【 50 BTS per block 】是怎么来的:目前系统的交易手续费是0.5BTSX/笔,如果交易需求较多,100%支付率,满负荷运转(正常交易,非压力测试极限承载能力)10s一个块,1s容纳10笔交易,所以一个块是50BTSX(合并成SuperDAC后就是50BTS)的收益。

2、对于一直没有导入钱包(PTS钱包,捐助AGS的PTS钱包/BTC钱包)去兑换目前已在市场流通的BTSX、DNS的原始股和天使股股东,合并事件对他们的利益是否有影响?即使合并前不进行任何操作:不去兑换BTSX放到BitsharesX钱包,不去兑换DNS放到KeyID钱包,合并完成后在SuperDAC里直接导入原始股和天使股钱包(PTS钱包,捐助AGS的PTS钱包/BTC钱包)依然能分得相应比例的BTS?

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translated from here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10672.msg141374#msg141374

questions of shareholders about the merge: 1. Is the profiting mechanism changed? It was done by burning transaction fees, but now is it changed to issuing new shares to pay delegates? This will result in 7% of infation per year if 50BTS is issued every block, and this has caused some panic here. 2. For people who haven't import their balances into BTSX, what are they going to encounter if they just not import before the launch of superDAC?
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问题:
1、有关合并分配的事,就这么定了吗?
投资者对原分配方案不满,3I又怕改动会给市场带来更多不利,难道不能找到更好的解决方法吗?
PTSER和AGSER作为核心支持者, 真的不能再获得原承诺的10%?
军心已动摇,不再考虑稳定军心?

2、关于整合的SUPERDAC,11月底出产品,是不是就在BTSX基础上先改UI界面,后续在完善DNS和VOTE功能?这个时间确定能出产品吗?跳票的可能性大不大?

3、DNS和VOTE的开发进度到哪一步了?完全整合到BTSX需要多长时间?有项目规划的时间表吗?

4、Brian 在市场上的推广进度在怎么样了?有推进的时间表吗?预计什么时间能出第一张预付卡?

5、MUSIC和PLAY作为第三方DAC,项目组能透露一下相关进展吗?预计什么时间出测试版?


如上是我希望了解的问题,其他的大家继续。。。。

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translated from here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10672.msg141003#msg141003

1、What is the current plan of allocation of superDAC? Is it final now? May you could re-consider it if there are many people complain about it? Shouldn't PTSer and AGSer get their 10% what they are originally promised?

2、Now the superDAC is going to be released in late November. Will it refine the UI in the first place, and integrate DNS and VOTE later on? Will this schedule being delayed?

3、What is the development progress of DNS and VOTE now? What is the roadmap for integrating them into BTS?

4、What is the progress of Brian? When can we get the first BTS debit card?

5、MUSIC and PLAY as 3rd party DAC, what is the progress of them?
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1、115快照的PTS能否参加后续第三方DAC的分配?原来说的至少10%还算数吗?
2、合并后的BTS开发计划如何。DNS多久能出来。
3、SEC正在进行的调查,3I会不会受影响?
4、对发帖前DNS购买者的补偿方案确定了吗?何时实施?

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mumble参会方式有没有介绍下?

參加方式請看這裡:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4150.0

基本上就是安裝了mumble, 然後用以下資訊來加入:
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Address: vx31.commandchannel.com
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Username: "Your Forum Handle Here"
Pass:  w0rldCh@NG3rsUN!t3
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希望能明确PLAY的分配方案,是否与AGS及PTS持有量有关?
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mumble参会方式有没有介绍下?

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mumble参加方式,能否介绍下
好多人都不知道

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当一个id 随便举例一个不如aa  在btsx和keyid里 分别属于不同的人,这种情况以后怎么办?
id系统按理说应该和谐统一,不会让人困惑误解

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关于合并,股东的疑惑:
1、DAC的盈利机制是否发生变化?(是否仍然是靠销毁受托人收取的交易手续费-减少股份总量等方式来为股东盈利)
中文社区有人对此存疑,担心BM因为找不到DAC的盈利方式,受托人没有利润,要搞通胀来给受托人发工资,每个块增发50BTS(他计算这将导致7%的年通胀)。
目前已引发踩踏事件。
+5% 及时传递信息,否则中文社区听风就是雨,踩踏不断,比如:

20141029晚BTSX跌破¥0.13……

log的AGS群里有人拿BM在此帖https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10679.0的发言断章取义截取这段话
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Each delegate position earns about $2500 per month at todays market cap with 100% pay.    A delegate with 100% pay rate under the new rules...  50 BTS per block.  这都是BM原话。
说BTS改规则了,BM找不到DAC获利的方法,现在的代表没利润,要挖矿搞通胀来发工资了,光发代表工资就年通胀7%。他认为,一个块“产生”50BTS,还不减半,比POW还狠……
在群集引起一阵恐慌,我不知道这是恶意做空还是什么,总之,又是一个信息沟通(语言交流)不畅导致的踩踏事件!

以下是我根据自己对原帖内容的理解给他的回复:
Quote
建议你好好看原帖,上下文联系着看,从楼主的话开始看。

先看一个计算公式:
【50BTSX/块】÷101个代表×$0.02×6个块/分钟×60分钟/小时×24小时/天×30天/月
=$2,566.3366336634

然后我告诉你我读完原帖后的理解:
你索引的第一句话是BM在3#楼层的回帖,回帖全文为
【 I would support you in this... this would be a "salary position" and not "give away funds"... so I support such a position.

Each delegate position earns about $2500 per month at todays market cap with 100% pay.   It isn't much, but then again you are independently wealthy and are seeing your own stake grow. 】
BM对楼主的这一举动给予肯定和支持,并说很支持这样的推广型受托人职位,但这是一个“挣薪水的职位”,没有“资金补贴”。(言下之意,对于楼主的推广,3i不会支付薪水,只能靠自己在帖子里说到的那些推广计划,用实际行动去拉票,笼络持股人让你当选前101能挣薪水的受托人)
然后BM说目前受托人挣薪水的(最理想)状况是:按BTSX目前的市值一个受托人席位如果按100%支付率(即不销毁,把手续费全拿走)每个月能挣$2500(看上面的公式)。

BM只是在陈述代表挣薪水的状况,而12#楼层的Xeldal君提出了疑问【 I assume this $2500 a month is for a 'salary delegate' and not a standard delegate.  Is there some official explanation of what a salary delegate is/how it works.  I've obviously missed it. 】他理解为这是一个月工资$2500/月的“挣薪水受托人”(他自己发明的这个词,BM原话是说的“挣薪水的职位”)而不是一个标准的受托人职位(目前DPOS系统标准受托人是靠持股人投票支持当选的,一般支付率设置均不是100%,而是80%、50%、10%、1%甚至更低,支付率过高的都被股东踢出101队伍了),问能否给出个官方解释说说什么是挣薪水受托人以及他是怎么运作的?自己是不是已经错过了机会。

BM在13#楼层回复12#楼层的话:【
A delegate with 100% pay rate under the new rules...  50 BTS per block. 】意思是新规则下允许这样的挣薪水受托人:设置100%支付率(应该是可以受到额外照顾-用市场营销的推广成效让大家支持你继续当选前101受托人,把手续费全拿走而又不会被踢出101队伍),签署一个区块获得50BTS报酬。

【 50 BTS per block 】是怎么来的:目前系统的交易手续费是0.5BTSX/笔,如果交易需求较多,100%支付率,满负荷运转(正常交易,非压力测试极限承载能力)10s一个块,1s容纳10笔交易,所以一个块是50BTSX(合并成SuperDAC后就是50BTS)的收益。

2、对于一直没有导入钱包(PTS钱包,捐助AGS的PTS钱包/BTC钱包)去兑换目前已在市场流通的BTSX、DNS的原始股和天使股股东,合并事件对他们的利益是否有影响?即使合并前不进行任何操作:不去兑换BTSX放到BitsharesX钱包,不去兑换DNS放到KeyID钱包,合并完成后在SuperDAC里直接导入原始股和天使股钱包(PTS钱包,捐助AGS的PTS钱包/BTC钱包)依然能分得相应比例的BTS?
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问题:
1、有关合并分配的事,就这么定了吗?
投资者对原分配方案不满,3I又怕改动会给市场带来更多不利,难道不能找到更好的解决方法吗?
PTSER和AGSER作为核心支持者, 真的不能再获得原承诺的10%?
军心已动摇,不再考虑稳定军心?

2、关于整合的SUPERDAC,11月底出产品,是不是就在BTSX基础上先改UI界面,后续在完善DNS和VOTE功能?这个时间确定能出产品吗?跳票的可能性大不大?

3、DNS和VOTE的开发进度到哪一步了?完全整合到BTSX需要多长时间?有项目规划的时间表吗?

4、Brian 在市场上的推广进度在怎么样了?有推进的时间表吗?预计什么时间能出第一张预付卡?

5、MUSIC和PLAY作为第三方DAC,项目组能透露一下相关进展吗?预计什么时间出测试版?


如上是我希望了解的问题,其他的大家继续。。。。

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我先想想要讨论的一些问题

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大家好, 很感謝有這個機會能夠跟大家一起參與比特股的種種, 未來這個帳號會作為我們的代表號, 並發布相關信息.

我們規劃的第一件事情, 就是要蒐集大家的問題, 以在每周五的mumble有機會跟I3提出討論.

英文社區目前收集問題的機制是這樣的:
1. mumble負責人 fuznuts(義工)會在開會的前一天 (星期四)在reddit上面開當周的問題帖子
2. 大家自由在上面提出自己要問的問題 (英文)
3. 由於開會時間有限, reddit上面可以對每個問題投票, 票數高的才有機會被問到


上面的機制目前運作良好, 唯一的問題是語言的障礙
因此為了解決這個問題, 我們想要採取以下的方式:

1. 如果有想提出的問題, 覺得無法透過論壇發文獲得解答
2. 可以請你在這個討論串當中回文提出, 同時也可以進行後續的討論, 我們會整理在一起, 並翻譯成英文發到reddit上面
3. 因此每個人的問題會一起公平競爭, 票數較高的就有機會被問到
4. 針對有被問到的問題, 會在會後將回應整理到這個帖子上面


謝謝大家
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 04:17:43 pm by cn-members »
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