Notification from the Chinese community about "sfinder"

[bytemaster]

It is really simple, I will not vote for a paid position but as long as upgrades are prompt and blocks are produced he can maintain a delegate.   

[BTSdac]

   coins，
if you run the keyid delegate if you want to answer

[Rune]

I am thrilled to see how effectively the stakeholder community is able to resolve this!

This is one of the really big tests of public dispute and stakeholder consensus in the ecosystem. If we're able to quickly and reliably figure out what happened, and vote accordingly, then we will be in very good shape for the prime time rollout of delegates!

Exciting!

Personally, I'm very busy and won't have time to dig through evidence for this. I will vote and remove votes according to the directive of a forum personality i trust beyond any reasonable doubt, and I think many/most "lazy" stakeholders will follow this strategy as well.

I think it is imperative that trusted personalities such as Dan and Stan quickly go through as much evidence as they can, then publicly announce a quick TL;DR of the evidence (as they see it) along with how they are voting as a result of that evidence.

[neosp]

Nice try , Coins .....
Last week somebody on this forum pointed out that sfinder often spread FUD on BTC38 , you jumped out and defended him (or you ) , not only you did not deny the guy on BTC38 is sfinder ,

but also said "He did a lot of contributions for the community , in his unique way to guide the Chinese community no to be just followers....... He's reminding you guys in his own way that market behavior exist , the flower in the greenhouse can not withstand storm.".

Still want to claim sfinder isn't the guy on BTC38 ? More lies , please !
We've been watching you since Feb.
And please do not edit the post , I've saved it already .  Oh , by the way , I've saved all of your posts . So be careful for what you say next , because if there was a hole in there , I can find it . I watched Sherlock holmes growing up .

[neosp]

here are some nice snapshots of what sfinder said:

1. there was also a 'sfinder', who was a shareholder of NEM, but claimed that NEM is a scam. And this behavior was revealed in this post (EN):


2. another post of 'sfinder' at another forum, who have the same avatar of 'sfinder' here, posted this message about I3 (see translation below):


It means:

sfinder: I have confirmed this with the hosts, that BM won't attend the bitcoin conference held in Beijing in May. They explained that this conference will conflict with their development schedule.

However, everyone can also interpret this message as: "the trick of B* the lier was exposed, so he is too shamed to come to this conference." "You see, this lying company even lies about a conference", "this is a sign of them to run away with all the money, everyone should be careful", "only chinese people are investing PTS, how can they neglect us?"

In brief, "the scam is about to blow, you better sell all your pts ASAP, or it's price will crash to zero."

[Empirical1.1]

If true, then 5 delegates in the top 100, is a nice little dilution earner.

I think they'd need to be created again to get more than 3%.

Yip. That's good.

We'll have to wait for the outcome, but still the fact that the most popular few delegates could potentially be malevolent for so long is not good for dilution, (esp. marketing) or even controlling 5 delegates at all. If it's all a carefully constructed smear campaign then it already foreshadows other problems too.
BTC38 controlling 10%+ BTS, with TITAN is not good. Accusations of attempts to form secret power blocks is not good. It all points to the flaws of adopting a simplistic company metaphor for BTS at this stage. At the very least people should admit BTS is probably not ready for it. Each morning I feel I'm waking up into a bigger theatre of the absurd that was all totally predictable & we could have already been at no.2 on another path. This can still work, but gee, what a gamble. Rant over.

[coins]

there  were a threads for it (see Toast 's reply  AS WELL)
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10850.msg143739#msg143739

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10850.msg143818#msg143818

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10850.msg143674#msg143674

 https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10905.msg143803#msg143803

we can not prove the guy in btc38 is "sfinder".  as i know you can name youself anyname in btc38.

sfinder is "sfinder" in this forum in this community .


sfinder is a long term contributor to this community including donate his own server to setup a demo wallet for the community.
as i know sfinder is trying to following the spending of BM's 400btc  funding that issued to chinese community in this April

currently only around 2500cny being received by chinese community
see his post  as following

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10842.0

I3中国社区的推广基金(400个比特币,當時值近200萬人民幣)问卷，看看大家是否知道bm给我们的市场发展基金

1)I3中国社区的推广基金终于可以让社区监督其400个bts推广基金的账目了，根据sudo网友的回帖（贴在下面，谢谢ripplexiaoshan 版主提供的宝贵链接），以前查账是需要提交申请的。
沈波先生终于能允许社区自由查账说明了他对社区要求的大力支持

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10912.msg143938#msg143938

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydHlTd1VnaWF3SXA5Q20wUU9NTFN6UkE#gid=0

sfinder告诉我原来的链接是不让大家看的，要看得申请，我看了sudo 6月1号的回复证实了sfinder的说法

他从去年开始每个月从AGS收10个BTC, 如果追踪一下地址你会发现所有的钱都到了一个账号，账号余额上千币
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqTwk-e7yzJydDFnQmlkTVlkbWpubnJBbzR2UG5ucnc&usp=sharing#gid=0

最近又从AGS拿了400个BTC, 然后最有意思的是把账目锁起来了不给外人看。所有的I3账目包括每人的工资都是公开的，只有中国区的是锁住的，这得有多黑暗阿，简单的从blockchain看这400个btc进了两个人的大账号，这俩人是谁不得而知。

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydHlTd1VnaWF3SXA5Q20wUU9NTFN6UkE#gid=0

现在中国除了几个大V的微波还有什么宣传么？真正在实实在在做推广的人有谁从沈波哪里拿到过1分钱？Snail你收到过宣传经费么？熊熊你呢？heyD的微波？论坛的版主？麦克猫的翻译？除了引长工那100bts，他的钱都花哪里去了？我觉得英文好的同学应该把这个情况告诉stan。 实在忍不住了上来说两句，大家评评理。

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I3中国社区的推广基金使用情况汇总贴

bm给予大中国区(4/25/2014)400个比特币（请看下面发放凭证當時值近30萬美元200萬人民幣），用与比特股中国区的推广，资金在中国区负责人手上掌握，目前我准备将收集到的使用情况反馈给英文区以及I3

如果你们领取者能发帖汇总，也是对沈波的工作的支持以及对bts推广的支持，而且还可以回击好事者的无聊质疑。
目前不仅国内就连国外社区的朋友都在问为什么中国社区的推广基金使用没有明细账

** “BTS中文区发言人” 中的翻译成员也有收到沈波先生的资助，望你们也协助沈波先生的工作，将收到的明细报给社区**

1)比特股之家收到2494BitCNY





https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqTwk-e7yzJydDFnQmlkTVlkbWpubnJBbzR2UG5ucnc&usp=sharing#gid=0


400个比特币发放凭证

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862 4/25/2014 Bitshares-Eastern-Operation Storage (China) 100.00 BTC Invictus 1NFbNPYhQHeDGLXboXX9VTCHnPe6N9p71E ff02d912608860c157a64feb6f309a15dd1e1922b7710c6fe1de10787e44847e https://docs.google.com/a/invictus-innovations.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydHlTd1VnaWF3SXA5Q20wUU9NTFN6UkE#gid=0
962 4/25/2014 Bitshares-Eastern-Operation Storage (China) 100.00 BTC Invictus 13nf5jATZ5ucdZPzDpwJwA1MELvQ7LKdU1 f153deeb39fc49107f9e91b7486742e8ea90782907d89417aa78531eb83130ad https://docs.google.com/a/invictus-innovations.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydHlTd1VnaWF3SXA5Q20wUU9NTFN6UkE#gid=0
1,062 4/25/2014 Bitshares-Eastern-Operation Storage (China) 100.00 BTC Invictus 17VaGyg29yxz2zX824ospGasjAQBHdq1do f8b5a21181f140b3dd383af44c07c970b8fc4b738e2fa3b019e507dde8b61dcf https://docs.google.com/a/invictus-innovations.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydHlTd1VnaWF3SXA5Q20wUU9NTFN6UkE#gid=0
1,162 4/25/2014 Bitshares-Eastern-Operation Storage (China) 100.00 BTC Invictus 1BAygNmQGYdhi5hfCijUSHQh91Et3tvj4M 0e7f95f760c60854b9ac1eae4746e28808272c0c44b1a83b36d3ca82efb3ebeb https://docs.google.com/a/invictus-innovations.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtRmp4NraeAydHlTd1VnaWF3SXA5Q20wUU9NTFN6UkE#gid=0


[天籁]

Crazy stuff. We're talking about the top three delegates here by the way, (the .coin delegates), that have far more votes than any other delegates. If he's really so bad how did he manage to get that many votes? bts.coin has almost 100 million more votes than the next "non-sfinder" delegate.

We are talking about some serious accusations here.  And these accusations are coming from a 'newbie' account.  Are the accusations based on concrete evidence or are they derived from hearsay?  Is this part of an effort to protect the bitshare ecosystem from a rogue delegate(s) or is this part of a smear campaign (eg by a group of 'opposing delegates' or people with personal grudge against the named person).  Like what svk has pointed out, it is crazy to think someone of that nature (if proven) has a hold on the delegates at top few positions.  Where do all the hundred of millions of votes come from?   What has sfinder said or done?  What is his side of the story?

Please stay tuned. A lot of materials & stories will be coming...

[monsterer]

If true, then 5 delegates in the top 100, is a nice little dilution earner.

I think they'd need to be created again to get more than 3%.

[julian1]

If true, then 5 delegates in the top 100, is a nice little dilution earner.

[cube]

Crazy stuff. We're talking about the top three delegates here by the way, (the .coin delegates), that have far more votes than any other delegates. If he's really so bad how did he manage to get that many votes? bts.coin has almost 100 million more votes than the next "non-sfinder" delegate.

We are talking about some serious accusations here.  And these accusations are coming from a 'newbie' account.  Are the accusations based on concrete evidence or are they derived from hearsay?  Is this part of an effort to protect the bitshare ecosystem from a rogue delegate(s) or is this part of a smear campaign (eg by a group of 'opposing delegates' or people with personal grudge against the named person).  Like what svk has pointed out, it is crazy to think someone of that nature (if proven) has a hold on the delegates at top few positions.  Where do all the hundred of millions of votes come from?   What has sfinder said or done?  What is his side of the story?

[Empirical1.1]

Thank you for the information.

So he has 5 delegates in the top 101? Wow.

[neosp]

What is his version of the events?

you can wait for his repond. Meanwhile, you can take a look at what he said and have your judgement:



It means:

星在飘还在找 (qq# 1927882308): got to post a thread which claims that there is a scandal about i3, that someone has stolen 2,000,000 CNY of marketg fund. So the price will definitely drop to 6 cents.

[xeroc]

Based on the proofs I got from different members of Chinese community, I confirm the truth of the OP. I have transferred all the proofs to Bo Shen, CEO of Dacsunlimited. BM or Stan will know all the details soon.

Thanks!

[ripplexiaoshan]

Frightening that he managed to get so much delegates. We need journalist (or rather hacker/journalist) delegates able to watch other delegates... (I love the "stay turned up", we're living a TV serie).

How can we confirm that all those delegates are indeed sfinder's ? sfinder is a hero member, I hope he will respond openly

The campaign post of coin team. Originally, there were 5 members, including sfinder. Now, three them have left. They are preparing an announcement right now.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6459.msg85918#msg85918 


The campaign post of chinese and help.chinese

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=5766.30


Two other posts related to this event:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10850.0
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=10905.0


Based on the proofs I got from different members of Chinese community, I confirm the truth of the OP. I have transferred all the proofs to Bo Shen, CEO of Dacsunlimited. BM or Stan will know all the details soon.