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Re: What happens when you're the first black president?
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2014, 12:23:55 am »
OP has been so badly deceived in so many ways and on so many levels that I wouldn't know where to begin his disillusionment process.

On the other hand, having any discussion at all with a person who's mind frame is trapped within a framework of partisan politics and parties to begin with .... there is little use presenting any economic realities to him.

Since we are fast approaching Remembrance Day, suffice it to say that he reminds me of the (un)thinking lemmings in the 1st World War who charged into machine gun fire ostensibly for their kin and country but in fact, because they were too lazy and uncritical, for  the profit of another Banker's War. Am I going to celebrate those brain-dead idiots by glorifying their "exploits"? Yeah, right. Go peddle your poppies to today's zombies.

There are better ways to spend your time. Be thankful he is here complaining as opposed to doing something more destructive with his ignorance.

Again rather than ad hominem attacks please try and debunk the numbers I provided in the original post.
The truth is that you won't be able to debunk those numbers as they are factual. You remind me of the climate deniers who choose to believe what they believe despite thousands of scientific papers making the case that our continued fossil fuel use is harming the planet. There is a reason the planet Venus is the hottest planet yet second planet from the sun and it is because it has a high level of carbon dioxide.

 As I asked already are we as a nation better off today than we were in 2008-2009? Is the economy growing?  Is unemployment down? Are housing prices up? How is the stock market doing now versus the last few years of Bush? If the economy is better off today there has been significant improvement over the last few years than why has the right been vehemently opposed to the president? They'll say that it is because of his policies blah blah blah but I think it really is because he is a biracial man in the White House. Its so obvious and it has been very obvious since the beginning. 


I have news for you.  There is no such thing as republican or democrat.  It is all an illusion.   As for using the word racism...when people use this crap it just means they want to win an argument without substantive points.

I don't really identify as a democrat although I do lean left. There is such a thing as a conservative and progressive. Call it republican or dixiecrat it doesn't matter. Apparently there are visible differences in the brains of both. Most notably conservatives tend to be more anxious and fearful which is why they are xenophobic and quick to go to war even if there are no funds for the war. Oh gotta love W. Liberals have a higher openness to experience and openness to experience is the only personality trait that directly correlates  with intelligence. So yes liberals are in general more intelligent which is why you tend to find a higher percentage of non believers with people who lean left. Seriously it is embarrassing that people believe in ridiculous fairy tales that aren't backed by empirical evidence but in order for evolution to work you do need variance in intelligence. That is why on the one hand you have someone like Ray Kurzweil and on the other you have Sarah Palin who apparently is able to see Russia from her home in Alaska lol.

There is a reason the United States is becoming less conservative. It is because less intelligent conservatives ideas are being displaced by more logical ones. Survival of the fittest.

I've talked to many conservatives in person and live in a conservative states. As I read their body language and ask them questions it becomes very apparent to me that the reason they don't like Obama really is because he is black and they are racists.

As far as winning an argument, if you can please debunk my argument that we are better off now than we were right before Obama became president please do so. Don't post opinionated posts as that doesn't count as evidence.

 


I dont debunk your numbers...i say that the jobs that from these policies were government jobs and jobs that pay less than average.  Silly boy...errr i mean racist against anybody not black. Go back to reading snopes.

Is that what you heard on faux news? Majority of the jobs most certainly not government jobs. Quick link from the Bureau of labor statistics. Oops my mistake I guess my original post was off by a little. Unemployment rate is actually 5.8% as of October and not the 6.1% I originally posted. Looks like plenty of non farm private sector jobs where added and wages increased an average of 3-4 cents.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Wages have been stagnant or in decline or decades. Edit: Because of technology and automation. 


Now tell me what the NDAA is.  Tell me about the IRS scandal and remember you are in company with techies here...

Yes I am aware of the National Defense Authorization Act. I'm aware that it was signed into law when no one was paying attention. Yes, I am also aware of the IRS issue. Yes, this is all a threat on freedom but so is voter ID laws meant to discourage minorities from voting. Sounds like we're back in pre civil rights America.

Tell me what the transpacific partnership is about....then you might impress me.

Again.  I am not democrat or republican.  I am a person who thinks for himself and doesnt let the color of anybodies skin get in the way of reason.

I don't consider myself democrat or republican either although I do lean left on many issues. I believe you but unfortunately most people on the right aren't as intelligent or independent minded as you. They just listen to and believe what faux news says.
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Re: What happens when you're the first black president?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2014, 06:03:05 am »
"Net Neutrality' is Obamacare for the Internet" - Ted Cruz


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Re: What happens when you're the first black president?
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2014, 06:16:22 am »
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Since we are fast approaching Remembrance Day, suffice it to say that he reminds me of the (un)thinking lemmings in the 1st World War who charged into machine gun fire ostensibly for their kin and country but in fact, because they were too lazy and uncritical, for  the profit of another Banker's War. Am I going to celebrate those brain-dead idiots by glorifying their "exploits"? Yeah, right. Go peddle your poppies to today's zombies.

My intention isn't to state whether or not I agree with you.
I think, however, it's worth bearing in mind that it was a lot harder to educate oneself in the early 20th century. Decent information was much harder to obtain, predominantly due to the lack of internet. Do you think you are viewing this from a strong point of retrospect?

"Decent information" and the advances in computer technology and information systems are irrelevant to the hard work of going inside and examining how your beliefs were formed and coming to an understanding of how your perceptions are skewed, and reinforced, by those beliefs.

I understand, and agree in large part. However, "decent information" is'nt completely irrelevant. The way I see it, when a broad base of information is easier to come by, it is harder for the powers that be to affect people's opinions.

Net Neutrality' is Obamacare for the Internet- Ted Cruz 
That broad base of information wouldn't be easier to come by if net neutrality were no more. Idiots like Ted Cruz aren't in favor of net neutrality as a matter of fact internet freedom is advocated by people who lean left.


It is easy to get frustrated by the fact that many people don't bother to think hard about the world around them, and about the way their own thoughts and actions arise. It leads to problems when people are easily manipulated.

Exactly which is why people still believe in Jesus, New Testament, Old testament. People believe vaccines cause autism when that has been proven false and instead what happens is that idiots that believe this are the reason diseases like polio which were considered eradicated in the United States have sprung up again. It is also why people who watch faux news were terrified of ebola.

The internet allows the wide availability of information, and also the ability to share thoughts and ideas quite freely. I say that this makes it harder for the powerful to brainwash the masses. If only more people would stop playing Farmville on Facebook, and start to delve a bit deeper!

Luckily I don't play farmville or spend time on facebook. Sometimes I do read scientific articles by searching for them on Google scholar though. Again wide easy access to information is threatened by idiots like Ted Cruz that equate net neutrality to Obamacare. Yeah lets allow mega corporations to pay for the information you have access to. They did this with mainstream media now they're trying to move to the world wide web. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2014, 06:58:11 am »

It is funny how you think the world is a 2 dimensional object.

Not only 2 dimensional in general, but leaving  in exactly the 2 detentions you have decided to put on it.


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Re: What happens when you're the first black president?
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2014, 07:24:16 am »
Jae, I'm right there with you. Not a single thing you've said in this thread is wrong. There are plenty of racists who hate Obama (that has been proven actually). The country is better off now than it was in 2008 (much higher employment for one thing). A certain TV network lies. And Ted Cruz is a moron. Check, check, check, check.

Yet I also agree with the other posters that there is more going on. Neither Obama nor Cruz nor their parties are truly addressing the problems we need to have fixed.

In the end, the party labels and the regular pendulum swing between them in these elections is doing little to address the fact that we are using our planet's resources at a voraciously unsustainable pace and polluting much faster than the planet's ability to heal, that kids are being treated with drugs instead of nourished, while their schools cannot afford pencils, that the economy is run by big banks, agriculture is run by chemical companies, the middle class and upward mobility have nearly disappeared, and meanwhile we are spending trillions of dollars we don't have to prop up a house of cards...those are the things that Obama and Cruz don't even talk about. Because they understand it is the big financial elites that run the world. Presidents, Senators, and governments just work for them.
 
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2014, 07:32:33 am »

In the end, the party labels and the regular pendulum swing between them in these elections is doing little to address the fact that we are using our planet's resources at a voraciously unsustainable pace and polluting much faster than the planet's ability to heal, that kids are being treated with drugs instead of nourished, while their schools cannot afford pencils, that the economy is run by big banks, agriculture is run by chemical companies, the middle class and upward mobility have nearly disappeared, and meanwhile we are spending trillions of dollars we don't have to prop up a house of cards...those are the things that Obama and Cruz don't even talk about. Because they understand it is the big financial elites that run the world. Presidents, Senators, and governments just work for them.
 
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2014, 08:48:20 pm »
Jae, I'm right there with you. Not a single thing you've said in this thread is wrong. There are plenty of racists who hate Obama (that has been proven actually). The country is better off now than it was in 2008 (much higher employment for one thing). A certain TV network lies. And Ted Cruz is a moron. Check, check, check, check.

Yet I also agree with the other posters that there is more going on. Neither Obama nor Cruz nor their parties are truly addressing the problems we need to have fixed.

In the end, the party labels and the regular pendulum swing between them in these elections is doing little to address the fact that we are using our planet's resources at a voraciously unsustainable pace and polluting much faster than the planet's ability to heal, that kids are being treated with drugs instead of nourished, while their schools cannot afford pencils, that the economy is run by big banks, agriculture is run by chemical companies, the middle class and upward mobility have nearly disappeared, and meanwhile we are spending trillions of dollars we don't have to prop up a house of cards...those are the things that Obama and Cruz don't even talk about. Because they understand it is the big financial elites that run the world. Presidents, Senators, and governments just work for them.

There are also plenty of racists who hate white people...leading with this argument is ridiculous.

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2014, 12:15:37 am »
Jae, I'm right there with you. Not a single thing you've said in this thread is wrong. There are plenty of racists who hate Obama (that has been proven actually). The country is better off now than it was in 2008 (much higher employment for one thing). A certain TV network lies. And Ted Cruz is a moron. Check, check, check, check.

Yet I also agree with the other posters that there is more going on. Neither Obama nor Cruz nor their parties are truly addressing the problems we need to have fixed.

In the end, the party labels and the regular pendulum swing between them in these elections is doing little to address the fact that we are using our planet's resources at a voraciously unsustainable pace and polluting much faster than the planet's ability to heal, that kids are being treated with drugs instead of nourished, while their schools cannot afford pencils, that the economy is run by big banks, agriculture is run by chemical companies, the middle class and upward mobility have nearly disappeared, and meanwhile we are spending trillions of dollars we don't have to prop up a house of cards...those are the things that Obama and Cruz don't even talk about. Because they understand it is the big financial elites that run the world. Presidents, Senators, and governments just work for them.

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Re: What happens when you're the first black president?
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2014, 12:21:11 am »
Jae, I'm right there with you. Not a single thing you've said in this thread is wrong. There are plenty of racists who hate Obama (that has been proven actually). The country is better off now than it was in 2008 (much higher employment for one thing). A certain TV network lies. And Ted Cruz is a moron. Check, check, check, check.

Yet I also agree with the other posters that there is more going on. Neither Obama nor Cruz nor their parties are truly addressing the problems we need to have fixed.

In the end, the party labels and the regular pendulum swing between them in these elections is doing little to address the fact that we are using our planet's resources at a voraciously unsustainable pace and polluting much faster than the planet's ability to heal, that kids are being treated with drugs instead of nourished, while their schools cannot afford pencils, that the economy is run by big banks, agriculture is run by chemical companies, the middle class and upward mobility have nearly disappeared, and meanwhile we are spending trillions of dollars we don't have to prop up a house of cards...those are the things that Obama and Cruz don't even talk about. Because they understand it is the big financial elites that run the world. Presidents, Senators, and governments just work for them.

There are also plenty of racists who hate white people...leading with this argument is ridiculous.

That is also true, however the whole point of my original post isn't to spread a let's hate whitey message. What else is it if it's not racism that drives the hate towards the President? I wouldn't be saying that if we really were worse off today than we were prior to Obama being president.



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Re: What happens when you're the first black president?
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2014, 12:55:12 am »
Racism is not the only thing driving hate of Obama. Some people don't like his policies or positions on issues. So there is some substantive disagreement. I'd say the racism represents a single digit (low double digit, at most) percentage of the people who don't like him.

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2014, 09:00:27 am »
Racism is not the only thing driving hate of Obama. Some people don't like his policies or positions on issues. So there is some substantive disagreement. I'd say the racism represents a single digit (low double digit, at most) percentage of the people who don't like him.
Thank god for a sense of rationality.

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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2014, 08:39:12 am »
Racism is not the only thing driving hate of Obama. Some people don't like his policies or positions on issues. So there is some substantive disagreement. I'd say the racism represents a single digit (low double digit, at most) percentage of the people who don't like him.
Thank god for a sense of rationality.


Wow lol

Using the words "god" and "rationality" in the same sentence isn't... rational lol

Unless there is an actual study out there that shows exactly what percentage of people and in particular those on the right hate him for his skin color, I think our opinions are based on our interactions with people in the state we live in.

For instance, I live in a very conservative state and to be honest it seems to me that about 90% of the people who identify as conservative here dislike the President because of his skin color and not his policies.
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2014, 08:47:01 am »
Jae, I'm right there with you. Not a single thing you've said in this thread is wrong. There are plenty of racists who hate Obama (that has been proven actually). The country is better off now than it was in 2008 (much higher employment for one thing). A certain TV network lies. And Ted Cruz is a moron. Check, check, check, check.

Yet I also agree with the other posters that there is more going on. Neither Obama nor Cruz nor their parties are truly addressing the problems we need to have fixed.

In the end, the party labels and the regular pendulum swing between them in these elections is doing little to address the fact that we are using our planet's resources at a voraciously unsustainable pace and polluting much faster than the planet's ability to heal, that kids are being treated with drugs instead of nourished, while their schools cannot afford pencils, that the economy is run by big banks, agriculture is run by chemical companies, the middle class and upward mobility have nearly disappeared, and meanwhile we are spending trillions of dollars we don't have to prop up a house of cards...those are the things that Obama and Cruz don't even talk about. Because they understand it is the big financial elites that run the world. Presidents, Senators, and governments just work for them.

There are also plenty of racists who hate white people...leading with this argument is ridiculous.

I agree with your statement and it really isn't just white people that are racists. There are some blacks, hispanics, and asians that are racist as well. However, people that do in fact have racist tendencies have common beliefs to the white racists. In general they are 'conservative' don't take certain scientific theories seriously like evolution of mankind in the animal kingdom or acknowledgment of global warming and they supposedly derive morals from fallacious religious texts. If they had it there way they would like a theocracy.

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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2014, 08:49:37 am »

It is funny how you think the world is a 2 dimensional object.

Not only 2 dimensional in general, but leaving  in exactly the 2 detentions you have decided to put on it.

Actually it is 10 dimensions depending on what physicists you talk to it might be 11 dimensions. We only perceive 4 though. :)
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