What's the point of keyhotee?

[foveveb]

[Stan]

I get the point, but I just can't get passed the name. Keyhotee is named after Don Quixote, right?  Was he not a crazy delusional fool with good intentions who was laughed at and made fun of until he was tricked into giving up and then dies? Plus the name just seems cheesy. No offense, the concept in its infancy is good, but I don't see this attracting many people with this name.

Kleenex was a non-sense word that grew to be synonymous a whole product category.  Keyhotee is a similar word that will come to represent its own new product category.

In the meantime, we admire the spirit of Don Quixote as embodied in his theme song The Impossible Dream.  We admire his sense of honor and integrity.  We admire his courage in the face of impossible odds, whether imagined or not.  And in our case, we chuckle sadly at the sleeping masses who foolishly imagine that the dragons of our day are merely windmills.   

[robozombie]

I get the point, but I just can't get passed the name. Keyhotee is named after Don Quixote, right?  Was he not a crazy delusional fool with good intentions who was laughed at and made fun of until he was tricked into giving up and then dies? Plus the name just seems cheesy. No offense, the concept in its infancy is good, but I don't see this attracting many people with this name.

The Keyhotee name is as meaningful as, say, Google or Yahoo names! What does the name 'Google' says to you? It sounds really funny to me, but let's see... Google is one of the biggest corporations ever - yes! Funny name included! So, if I were you, I wouldn't pick up on the project's name too much, but instead on the development and growth of the same as a DAC.

[Ggozzo]

I get the point, but I just can't get passed the name. Keyhotee is named after Don Quixote, right?  Was he not a crazy delusional fool with good intentions who was laughed at and made fun of until he was tricked into giving up and then dies? Plus the name just seems cheesy. No offense, the concept in its infancy is good, but I don't see this attracting many people with this name.

[bytemaster]

Hi Stan,

Excited about Keyhotee, much better spelling it phonetically as you have done, the meaning still stays.
Do you think the new website and branding will be ready before the launch of Keyhotee on new years eve? (same question to bytemaster
That would be fantastic if it is!

I have delegated this task to Super3 who will be working on this full time now rather than just part time.   In the interest of decentralizing responsibility Super3 will handle this all as fast as he can and there is little I can do to accelerate it.

[Number 1]

Hi Stan,

Excited about Keyhotee, much better spelling it phonetically as you have done, the meaning still stays.
Do you think the new website and branding will be ready before the launch of Keyhotee on new years eve? (same question to bytemaster
That would be fantastic if it is!

[robozombie]

I think that's pretty cool, Stan. It goes to show it's a very meaningful project!

[Stan]

The difference between Keyhotee and everything else:  Ease of Use by Design.

1) I2P is great for what it does, but the economics of the system are wrong.   
2) Keyhotee will form a Darknet automatically, 0 configuration from users required.
3) TOR suffers from relying on 'donation economics' which doesn't scale and thus poor performance.
4) Currently, most web content is hosted in a centralized manner.  A single company can take down the content.
5) PGP is too hard to use, not a good standard and provides poor security due to tendency to 'not use it' or user error.

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

Don't you think it's very ambitious for a team of four, or there's more going on behind the scene?

https://github.com/InvictusInnovations/keyhotee/graphs/contributors

About the phonetics of Keyhotee: for example, for Spanish speakers, it sounds almost like 'Quijote' (derived from the name of the main character of Miguel de Cervantes' landmark novel The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha). I don't know if it's a coincidence, but I like the Keyhotee name  .

It was chosen on purpose to refer to Don Quixote.  Most english speakers do not know how to spell or pronounce Quixote.

It'd sound something like Keyhawttih (With the strong part of the intonation in bold. That's the closest sound to Spanish there is for the word 'Quijote'. The Quixote word is part of the Old version of Spanish language. There's 'México', but the 'x' in that word sounds in a different way in Modern Spanish. That 'x' represents this old language today,though).

The artwork at invictus-innovations.com/keyhotee/ carries a ton of profound meaning for those familiar with the seminal works of Cervantes and Tolkein.

[robozombie]

The difference between Keyhotee and everything else:  Ease of Use by Design.

1) I2P is great for what it does, but the economics of the system are wrong.   
2) Keyhotee will form a Darknet automatically, 0 configuration from users required.
3) TOR suffers from relying on 'donation economics' which doesn't scale and thus poor performance.
4) Currently, most web content is hosted in a centralized manner.  A single company can take down the content.
5) PGP is too hard to use, not a good standard and provides poor security due to tendency to 'not use it' or user error.

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

Don't you think it's very ambitious for a team of four, or there's more going on behind the scene?

https://github.com/InvictusInnovations/keyhotee/graphs/contributors

About the phonetics of Keyhotee: for example, for Spanish speakers, it sounds almost like 'Quijote' (derived from the name of the main character of Miguel de Cervantes' landmark novel The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha). I don't know if it's a coincidence, but I like the Keyhotee name  .

It was chosen on purpose to refer to Don Quixote.  Most english speakers do not know how to spell or pronounce Quixote.

It'd sound something like Keyhawttih (With the strong part of the intonation in bold. That's the closest sound to Spanish there is for the word 'Quijote'. The Quixote word is part of the Old version of Spanish language. There's 'México', but the 'x' in that word sounds in a different way in Modern Spanish. That 'x' represents this old language today,though).

[bytemaster]

The difference between Keyhotee and everything else:  Ease of Use by Design.

1) I2P is great for what it does, but the economics of the system are wrong.   
2) Keyhotee will form a Darknet automatically, 0 configuration from users required.
3) TOR suffers from relying on 'donation economics' which doesn't scale and thus poor performance.
4) Currently, most web content is hosted in a centralized manner.  A single company can take down the content.
5) PGP is too hard to use, not a good standard and provides poor security due to tendency to 'not use it' or user error.

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

Don't you think it's very ambitious for a team of four, or there's more going on behind the scene?

https://github.com/InvictusInnovations/keyhotee/graphs/contributors

About the phonetics of Keyhotee: for example, for Spanish speakers, it sounds almost like 'Quijote' (derived from the name of the main character of Miguel de Cervantes' landmark novel The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha). I don't know if it's a coincidence, but I like the Keyhotee name  .

It was chosen on purpose to refer to Don Quixote.  Most english speakers do not know how to spell or pronounce Quixote.

[robozombie]

The difference between Keyhotee and everything else:  Ease of Use by Design.

1) I2P is great for what it does, but the economics of the system are wrong.   
2) Keyhotee will form a Darknet automatically, 0 configuration from users required.
3) TOR suffers from relying on 'donation economics' which doesn't scale and thus poor performance.
4) Currently, most web content is hosted in a centralized manner.  A single company can take down the content.
5) PGP is too hard to use, not a good standard and provides poor security due to tendency to 'not use it' or user error.

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

Don't you think it's very ambitious for a team of four, or there's more going on behind the scene?

https://github.com/InvictusInnovations/keyhotee/graphs/contributors

About the phonetics of Keyhotee: for example, for Spanish speakers, it sounds almost like 'Quijote' (derived from the name of the main character of Miguel de Cervantes' landmark novel The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha). I don't know if it's a coincidence, but I like the Keyhotee name  .

[bytemaster]

To stay on topic: Let me say first that I don't like the name "Keyhotee". Maybe for native english speakers it makes sense in a way... in many other languages it's just like "what?", unlike "Google", "Yahoo" or even "Microsoft" or "Facebook". - But ok, the name shouldn't be the most important thing about it (even if it kind of is if we talk about mass-appeal).

I have to correct myself a bit according to this I think. Maybe "Keyhotee" will be the new "Google", which sounded silly, too.
So in the end - maybe - the name and it's pronunciation don't matter that much.

I'm a little slow on the uptake on some things around I.I.I.
After seeing the Keyhotee video by bytemaster ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pZaTdEtK-8 ) I once again have more questions.
It all sounds a little "too big" to me. The whole 13 minutes I thought "yes, that all makes sense". But the question is: isn't there anything like this already?
Hasn't anybody had the idea to solve those problems about passwords, accounts, et cetera before? Or is there but nobody got attention yet?
It seems like Keyhotee really is something like "the next generation internet" - but why does it take "some company from the countryside" to invent/create something like this "out of the blue"?
I mean there are smart people in the computer industry (and everywhere else) and it is 2013 already.
Do you really think and expect that Keyhotee will be "the new http://" ?
That would be a revolution. Could it be it started "around here" in this forum and with just a few people aware of it's existence?
I mean there's just 1300 people who watched the youtube video above.
Are all of us here really part of something that big?
Frankly I cannot believe it and think maybe I'm missing some important part.

This missing ingredient was the decentralized key database that could scale to support billions of users along with BitMessage style communication.  These are both less than 1 year old and the ramifications will take care of the rest.   I do believe that decentralized technologies will replace every major aspect of the internet over the next 15 years.

[Gekko]

To stay on topic: Let me say first that I don't like the name "Keyhotee". Maybe for native english speakers it makes sense in a way... in many other languages it's just like "what?", unlike "Google", "Yahoo" or even "Microsoft" or "Facebook". - But ok, the name shouldn't be the most important thing about it (even if it kind of is if we talk about mass-appeal).

I have to correct myself a bit according to this I think. Maybe "Keyhotee" will be the new "Google", which sounded silly, too.
So in the end - maybe - the name and it's pronunciation don't matter that much.

I'm a little slow on the uptake on some things around I.I.I.
After seeing the Keyhotee video by bytemaster ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pZaTdEtK-8 ) I once again have more questions.
It all sounds a little "too big" to me. The whole 13 minutes I thought "yes, that all makes sense". But the question is: isn't there anything like this already?
Hasn't anybody had the idea to solve those problems about passwords, accounts, et cetera before? Or is there but nobody got attention yet?
It seems like Keyhotee really is something like "the next generation internet" - but why does it take "some company from the countryside" to invent/create something like this "out of the blue"?
I mean there are smart people in the computer industry (and everywhere else) and it is 2013 already.
Do you really think and expect that Keyhotee will be "the new http://" ?
That would be a revolution. Could it be it started "around here" in this forum and with just a few people aware of it's existence?
I mean there's just 1300 people who watched the youtube video above.
Are all of us here really part of something that big?
Frankly I cannot believe it and think maybe I'm missing some important part.

[bytemaster]

BitShares are going to need a wallet so they might as well make a fully featured one.

Let's all hope it doesn't get bloated. I'm more with the Unix philosophy "Write programs that do one thing and do it well."
(I'm thinking about a media player in Keyhotee and stuff like that... Heaven forbid! )

Keyhotee will have a client/server architecture locally (like bitcoind) which will allow people to build different user interfaces on top of the core code.

[Gekko]

BitShares are going to need a wallet so they might as well make a fully featured one.

Let's all hope it doesn't get bloated. I'm more with the Unix philosophy "Write programs that do one thing and do it well."
(I'm thinking about a media player in Keyhotee and stuff like that... Heaven forbid! )

[Pocket Sand]

I'm really excited with the ease of setup that keyhotee will offer while being able to locally decrypt data using the block chain. In terms of security, people were mentioning earlier about using the type of security the armory wallet uses but if keyhotee will allow third party addons, people could easily add 2-step authentication to provide almost impenetrable security to their wallet (something along the lines of something like digipass dynamic security)

[devilfish]

Oh and having thought about this over night I think keyhotee is fairly on target with what Invictus are trying to. BitShares are going to need a wallet so they might as well make a fully featured one.

[devilfish]

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

Was it really Macintosh that changed everything? If I think of computer I think of "C64", "MS-DOS" and "Windows". Even if Microsoft stole ideas - those were the mass-products that changed everything, in my opinion. Just like Linux (not Unix!) changed everything later, again - in another way.

Microsoft stole from Apple who stole from everyone (Xerox is one that comes to mind with the GUI development).

[bitcool]

The difference between Keyhotee and everything else:  Ease of Use by Design.

1) I2P is great for what it does, but the economics of the system are wrong.   
2) Keyhotee will form a Darknet automatically, 0 configuration from users required.
3) TOR suffers from relying on 'donation economics' which doesn't scale and thus poor performance.
4) Currently, most web content is hosted in a centralized manner.  A single company can take down the content.
5) PGP is too hard to use, not a good standard and provides poor security due to tendency to 'not use it' or user error.

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

Don't you think it's very ambitious for a team of four, or there's more going on behind the scene?

https://github.com/InvictusInnovations/keyhotee/graphs/contributors

[Gekko]

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

Was it really Macintosh that changed everything? If I think of computer I think of "C64", "MS-DOS" and "Windows". Even if Microsoft stole ideas - those were the mass-products that changed everything, in my opinion. Just like Linux (not Unix!) changed everything later, again - in another way.

To stay on topic: Let me say first that I don't like the name "Keyhotee". Maybe for native english speakers it makes sense in a way... in many other languages it's just like "what?", unlike "Google", "Yahoo" or even "Microsoft" or "Facebook". - But ok, the name shouldn't be the most important thing about it (even if it kind of is if we talk about mass-appeal).

If Keyhotee will be as easy and idiot-proof as WhatsApp, the camera-app on Android or iOS, or even Google, and it looks good - it could become big, because everybody can use it no matter how dumb.
If it is free, open and really secure - it gets the nerds and techies, too. Hopefully.

Another thing is that "the first thing I see" when I google Keyhotee is "some strange company" creating a "just another" product. First thought "another startup wanting to become Facebook. Good luck. Next!" ...
Where is Keyhotee on Wikipedia? It has to be shown that Keyhotee foremost is an "open idea" in community hands, against surveillance, maybe backed by company money but still alive if the company goes bankrupt, and there will be no ads in it, ever, and no "pro-version" to buy. And a clear to see reason why to choose a new, not even born yet, product against "all the others".

If with Keyhotee (damn hard to type, too ;-) ) you want to reach something that will be pre-installed on every new computer and smartphone, you most almost reach the impossible. It's not always the best system that "wins", you have to reach "that certain something" to make it successful. (See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war that VHS won!)

[bytemaster]

I2P is the same as any other central server based services.

It is not. I2P is decentralized. It is a "layer on top of the internet" where you can (or will be able to in the future) do everything you can do in the "normal" internet - but encrypted, anonymous, censorship resistant. You can use torrents, e-mail, websites and much more in I2P. For example: if you create a Website in I2P (called eepSite) this website is on the PC you create it on. If you switch off your PC, the website is down. If everybody (every "user") in I2P switches their PC off, the I2P network is dead. There are no "central servers" keeping anything alive. Every user is his own server (and client) and uses other users' I2P-PCs to transfer encrypted data between each other (through tunnels).
Drawbacks so far: it is slow(er). But that should change as more users become active and the software matures.
And you need to run a (java-based) client-software all the time to use it.

While I'm convinced about the ingenuity behind BitShares and DACs, I'm still not sure if Keyhotee is in fact like http://xkcd.com/927/

Ahh..  My bad.  i didn't quite read in-depth about I2P.  Thank you for the correction.

The difference between Keyhotee and everything else:  Ease of Use by Design.

1) I2P is great for what it does, but the economics of the system are wrong.   
2) Keyhotee will form a Darknet automatically, 0 configuration from users required.
3) TOR suffers from relying on 'donation economics' which doesn't scale and thus poor performance.
4) Currently, most web content is hosted in a centralized manner.  A single company can take down the content.
5) PGP is too hard to use, not a good standard and provides poor security due to tendency to 'not use it' or user error.

Bottom line, computers existed prior to Apple, but the Macintosh changed everything.  Ease of use matters and is something that cryptography has not yet achieved.

[NineLives]

I2P is the same as any other central server based services.

It is not. I2P is decentralized. It is a "layer on top of the internet" where you can (or will be able to in the future) do everything you can do in the "normal" internet - but encrypted, anonymous, censorship resistant. You can use torrents, e-mail, websites and much more in I2P. For example: if you create a Website in I2P (called eepSite) this website is on the PC you create it on. If you switch off your PC, the website is down. If everybody (every "user") in I2P switches their PC off, the I2P network is dead. There are no "central servers" keeping anything alive. Every user is his own server (and client) and uses other users' I2P-PCs to transfer encrypted data between each other (through tunnels).
Drawbacks so far: it is slow(er). But that should change as more users become active and the software matures.
And you need to run a (java-based) client-software all the time to use it.

While I'm convinced about the ingenuity behind BitShares and DACs, I'm still not sure if Keyhotee is in fact like http://xkcd.com/927/

Ahh..  My bad.  i didn't quite read in-depth about I2P.  Thank you for the correction.

[Gekko]

I2P is the same as any other central server based services.

It is not. I2P is decentralized. It is a "layer on top of the internet" where you can (or will be able to in the future) do everything you can do in the "normal" internet - but encrypted, anonymous, censorship resistant. You can use torrents, e-mail, websites and much more in I2P. For example: if you create a Website in I2P (called eepSite) this website is on the PC you create it on. If you switch off your PC, the website is down. If everybody (every "user") in I2P switches their PC off, the I2P network is dead. There are no "central servers" keeping anything alive. Every user is his own server (and client) and uses other users' I2P-PCs to transfer encrypted data between each other (through tunnels).
Drawbacks so far: it is slow(er). But that should change as more users become active and the software matures.
And you need to run a (java-based) client-software all the time to use it.

While I'm convinced about the ingenuity behind BitShares and DACs, I'm still not sure if Keyhotee is in fact like http://xkcd.com/927/

[bytemaster]

Perhaps I'm missing the point however my understanding was that any PTS sent to a Keyhotee ID address remain the property of the sender. The idea being that they can't be withdrawn or traded elsewhere until Keyhotee launches.
In that way Invictus gets a strong initial following at least until the launch of Keyhotee and those who donate to Keyhotee ID still retain their PTS on the launch of Keyhotee.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

It is a donation to the development of Keyhotee. 

[Number 1]

Perhaps I'm missing the point however my understanding was that any PTS sent to a Keyhotee ID address remain the property of the sender. The idea being that they can't be withdrawn or traded elsewhere until Keyhotee launches.
In that way Invictus gets a strong initial following at least until the launch of Keyhotee and those who donate to Keyhotee ID still retain their PTS on the launch of Keyhotee.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[bytemaster]

Or maybe the browser will get into keyhotee. 


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[bitcool]

Also, I feel like, for Keyhotee to catch on, regardless of how nice it is, it's going to have to get into the browser (maybe not initially, but it has to happen eventually)

Pretty sure it will happen naturally if Keyhotee catch some fire.

[8bit]

Ohhh god..  Come on dude, you know what I'm about to say:  Let me rephrase..

Tor is an open source company and servers are in different locations (proxies) meaning its NOT IN YOUR control.  Data is stored on them proxies (logs).  Meaning accessible with allot of push if needed.  Which is what I meant above.  Its still central because YOU do not have control!!!

Keyhotee is ON YOUR PC encrypted on a blockchain.  No one can access it but you.  Proxy somewhere vs your control?  Emmmm  which will I pick?

That is not what 'centralized' means, and Tor is not centralized. Tor is a network of over four thousand decentralized nodes operated by different people all over the world. The idea behind Tor is that logs won't matter because Tor pushes connections through multiple relays. An exit node will be able to tell what the last relay was in a connection, but can not trace the connection back further than that. In order to reveal someone's identity, you would have to compromise every node between the individual and the exit node. To my knowledge, Tor itself has never actually been compromised in practice. Techniques used to take identify Tor users (javascript attacks and personally identifiable information) are not specific to Tor, have nothing to do with Tor itself, and are just as applicable to something like Keyhotee.

There is no need to install 4 different apps to make your semi freedom function (Tor, Freenet, I2P, Bit wallet).

These are all applications which do (roughly) the same thing. I'm worried Keyhotee is this: http://xkcd.com/927/

[NineLives]

Ohhh god..  Come on dude, you know what I'm about to say:  Let me rephrase..

Tor is an open source company and servers are in different locations (proxies) meaning its NOT IN YOUR control.  Data is stored on them proxies (logs).  Meaning accessible with allot of push if needed.  Which is what I meant above.  Its still central because YOU do not have control!!!

Keyhotee is ON YOUR PC encrypted on a blockchain.  No one can access it but you.  Proxy somewhere vs your control?  Emmmm  which will I pick?

There is no need to install 4 different apps to make your semi freedom function (Tor, Freenet, I2P, Bit wallet).

Again, that is only scratching the surface of the example we spoke of.

[8bit]

Torrents are great, but they didn't catch on because they're good at legal sharing. (though they are) They caught on because they're good at illegal sharing.

However, we already have systems in place for this... GPG encrypted messages and networks like Tor, Freenet, I2P, etc... And at this point, Tor is getting pretty good at what it does. It's reasonably fast, and very easy to use.

Tor can't stop the government watching how much money you spend?  Or Tor isn't going to stop any official taking your financial assets?

No, but bitcoin + mixers can...

Like I said, torrents is just ONE example and its just scratching the surface.  Tor, Freenet, I2P is the same as any other central server based services.  You really think Tor is going to deny the government access to its logs if needed?  There is NO VPN anonymous service that will truly stop high-end governments from gaining access to your day to day internet activities.

Remember, Keyhotee is on a blockchain.

Tor, Freenet, and I2P are not centralized. Tor is a decentralized network of proxies, Freenet is a decentralized hosting network, and I2P is a protocol for secure friend to friend communications.

[NineLives]

Torrents are great, but they didn't catch on because they're good at legal sharing. (though they are) They caught on because they're good at illegal sharing.

However, we already have systems in place for this... GPG encrypted messages and networks like Tor, Freenet, I2P, etc... And at this point, Tor is getting pretty good at what it does. It's reasonably fast, and very easy to use.

Tor can't stop the government watching how much money you spend?  Or Tor isn't going to stop any official taking your financial assets?

Like I said, torrents is just ONE example and its just scratching the surface.  Tor, Freenet, I2P is the same as any other central server based services.  You really think Tor is going to deny the government access to its logs if needed?  There is NO VPN anonymous service that will truly stop high-end governments from gaining access to your day to day internet activities.

Remember, Keyhotee is on a blockchain.

[8bit]

Torrents are great, but they didn't catch on because they're good at legal sharing. (though they are) They caught on because they're good at illegal sharing.

However, we already have systems in place for this... GPG encrypted messages and networks like Tor, Freenet, I2P, etc... And at this point, Tor is getting pretty good at what it does. It's reasonably fast, and very easy to use.

[NineLives]

That's all well and good, but the average person just doesn't give a shit about security. How many people use Facebook? How many people use Google instead of StartPage? StartPage offers almost the EXACT experience, and is actually discrete, however, the vast majority of people choose Google instead.

You miss understand my friend.
You will still be able to use Google and Facebook etc if you choose.  That doesn't change.

Lets talk about the average person:
Once upon a time, there were no torrents.  Before torrents was invented, people in general didn't understand why it was needed when Newsgroups / Usernet or Napster etc was available (I'm going back a few years).  Soon, Napster got sued and was forced to put legal content on.  As I type, Newsgroups / Usernet are going through DMCA shutdown and its very hard to download anything, even TV shows

Now torrents is the only real way to get what you want.  Its based on a P2P network with no central servers.  It's an excellent tool.  The government are finding it hard to shut down.  They are making ISP's lock down torrent download sites like PirateBay.  This will go on and on and on until YOU will do what YOUR government wants that allows them in control.

Torrents wasn't needed and now billions rely on it.  And I'm talking about none technical people.  I'm sure you must use it too?

That's ONE example from hundreds and hundreds of unlimited things you can do in your own free space @ Keyhotee that fits your way of life, even if your just a facebook user.

This is going to be another tool, like torrents, that will change the way the Internet is used.

[8bit]

That's all well and good, but the average person just doesn't give a shit about security. How many people use Facebook? How many people use Google instead of StartPage? StartPage offers almost the EXACT experience, and is actually discrete, however, the vast majority of people choose Google instead.

[bytemaster]

I understand your points and they are great points but let me try and simplyfy it for anyone who doesn't quite understand why keyhotee is needed in today's internet world (without jargon).

PRIVACY, SECURITY, FREEDOM..
I work in IT and I know for a fact, NOTHING is private.  You visit a site, your internet provider knows.  You send an email, your internet provider knows.  You download something, yep.. you got it, your provider knows.  If they know, the TAX man knows, and in return, and if needed, the government knows.  Like it or not, your being watched.  Of-course, Unless, you know how to manually encrypt, vpn and setup privacy which is a small task within it self but you still can't hide what you spent from your BANK?

Now, to people like me, this isn't an issue.  I don't do illegal things at all (besides download TV episodes I suppose) but, WHY am I allowing my government and tax man to view what I do?  Why should they see how much money I have and how much TAX they can take?  What if crypto currency was denied through some legislation?  Why should it be ok for ANYONE to see what I do in the privacy of my internet world?

The examples are a bit extreme.  Keyhotee I believe will start off with the essentials, that will then allow lots of developers to help it grow and soon enough, you will have your full freedom..

I hope my theory was correct and please do feel free to correct me.  I'm also learning as we go on

Great response and right on.

[NineLives]

I understand your points and they are great points but let me try and simplyfy it for anyone who doesn't quite understand why keyhotee is needed in today's internet world (without jargon).

PRIVACY, SECURITY, FREEDOM..
I work in IT and I know for a fact, NOTHING is private.  You visit a site, your internet provider knows.  You send an email, your internet provider knows.  You download something, yep.. you got it, your provider knows.  If they know, the TAX man knows, and in return, and if needed, the government knows.  Like it or not, your being watched.  Of-course, Unless, you know how to manually encrypt, vpn and setup privacy which is a small task within it self but you still can't hide what you spent from your BANK?

Now, to people like me, this isn't an issue.  I don't do illegal things at all (besides download TV episodes I suppose) but, WHY am I allowing my government and tax man to view what I do?  Why should they see how much money I have and how much TAX they can take?  What if crypto currency was denied through some legislation?  Why should it be ok for ANYONE to see what I do in the privacy of my internet world?

The examples are a bit extreme.  Keyhotee I believe will start off with the essentials, that will then allow lots of developers to help it grow and soon enough, you will have your full freedom..

I hope my theory was correct and please do feel free to correct me.  I'm also learning as we go on

[Beetle559]

Did you see the video? http://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=14.0

Another point you missed is that it's private, there are no servers for governments to spy on.

[8bit]

I already have a bitcoin wallet, and an email client, and and instant messenger, etc... and I can already access these all through one application: my web browser. I understand why decentralization is awesome, but it's really a moot point if no one is using it. So from the perspective of the end user- perhaps the average person who doesn't necessarily have a lot of computer knowhow and isn't necessarily interested in the philosophy of decentralization, what will Keyhotee offer?

Also, I feel like, for Keyhotee to catch on, regardless of how nice it is, it's going to have to get into the browser (maybe not initially, but it has to happen eventually), and it needs to launch with a less silly-sounding name. Are there any plans for web, and is keyhotee a code name or the final name?

EDIT: No disrespect intended. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around this.