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Offline santaclause102

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2015, 08:25:30 pm »
Cat's already out of the bag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913075.0

Thanks newmine. I have to ask, if you hate BitShares so much...why the hell do you spend so much time here?
Newmine, what is your motivation in doing this?
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2015, 08:26:14 pm »
I agree this is a PR disaster waiting to happen if done by default, especially if there is no change to the current wallet GUI.

If we can't generate enough interest in voting to combat voter apathy in the short term, then second best option is a dialog on first load of the wallet that makes it easy for users to vote in a slate of developers.

I'd argue that this mechanism should allow multiple slates to be loaded with delegates from the whole ecosystem - carousel style. I think it would be fair if the core dev team showed up as the default slate.

I understand BM's thinking on this,  and I think it's fair that all core dev's should get at least one 100% slot in the short term. I'm able to make that assessment based on the days I've spent in the forum over the last year - I'm an old timer with and understanding of who the core devs are and what they have done so far. New users and outsiders don't have the information I have and they will call 'scam' if core devs are voted in by default and transparently. Simple as that.

I think it's important that the 'dialog' being discussed, if required, is opt-in and not opt-out. With the correct wording explaining why the core team being voted in is so important I think the votes required would come in. Cass could likely do a great feel-good treatment for this so that people are encouraged to vote 'Yes'. A 'Select All' option as well as being able to vote individual delegates in or out on this dialog would be the way to go.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2015, 08:59:24 pm by pseudoscops »

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2015, 08:40:55 pm »
How this thought came through anyway?
When investors complained, you guys said"greedy", "if you don't believe in this, just walk away." And when developers complained just like what's going on here, we can also say "greedy"!If you don't satisfy or you don't feel safe enough or whatever reasons you have, just walk away, go find a better job somewhere else. This is blockchain employment buddy.
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2015, 08:41:17 pm »
Cat's already out of the bag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913075.0

Thanks newmine. I have to ask, if you hate BitShares so much...why the hell do you spend so much time here?
Newmine, what is your motivation in doing this?
Criticize inside (constructive at best), represent outside if you want to help BitShares grow!

Ignore him, he is a trader who has sold and now hoping for lower prices.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2015, 08:43:25 pm »
I agree with Psuedocops 100%.

Perhaps this brief 'Why you should vote for the devs!" dialog box should appear right after a user registers their account, with options to:

[Vote for All Developers] [Vote Later]

*Remember, you can ALWAYS change your vote at ANY TIME!

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2015, 08:48:17 pm »
Cat's already out of the bag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913075.0

Thanks newmine. I have to ask, if you hate BitShares so much...why the hell do you spend so much time here?
Newmine, what is your motivation in doing this?
Criticize inside (constructive at best), represent outside if you want to help BitShares grow!

Ignore him, he is a trader who has sold and now hoping for lower prices.
That makes sense.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2015, 08:53:01 pm »
Cat's already out of the bag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913075.0

Thanks newmine. I have to ask, if you hate BitShares so much...why the hell do you spend so much time here?

The core idea is awesome, that's why I came.

The constant alterations, the piss poor management of "donated" funds specifically in the marketing aspects, the greed involved in the "dilution" FMV/VOTE BS, the greedy last sharedrop/money grab of AGS acquired BTS, the change of 100% delegates to 50BTS/block and 60K BTS registration fee etc. is what I am hating. My investment has been compromised as now we have a guaranteed sell pressure on the price of BTS since all the "Devs" will be selling BTS to the tune of 4200 BTS*Number of 100% delegates. It has also been compromised because there was supposed to be a professional PR/marketing campaign for the last 6 months and we were constantly lied to in the form of "it's coming, just wait". Version 1.0 was said to be released at the end of November.......then December and now February, so what, they change the code to secure more money for themselves?

I stay, hoping someone forks this garbage back to what it was intended to be.

Cat's already out of the bag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913075.0

Thanks newmine. I have to ask, if you hate BitShares so much...why the hell do you spend so much time here?
Newmine, what is your motivation in doing this?
Criticize inside (constructive at best), represent outside if you want to help BitShares grow!

Ignore him, he is a trader who has sold and now hoping for lower prices.

I actually never traded this away. Still have every BTS and bitUSD. More bitUSD now.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2015, 08:58:53 pm »
bad idea... makes it harder for us devs who are contributing and harder to become a delegate
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2015, 09:05:02 pm »
283 post from Newmine

it must be love or maybe hate.

I will never spend so much time to something i don't like, and as soon i am not convinced anymore i will sell. Human beings are great because we can adapt to new situations. That is the reason we are the dominant species on Earth.

BitShares has only one problem - we are totally focused on Bytemasters writing. Voting is a problem, but just fix the problems we have with the client and increase the presents of the core devs to the public. Some DEVs never post much here. Toast is a good example he is widely respected and voted to number 1, but some core devs are not well known so they will have a hard time.

In our ecosystem the devs should adapt as well, so get public and post more. I know it is total against the nature of most devs, but it is needed.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2015, 09:05:39 pm »
Just build us a decent vote function that is easy to use and has a prominent position within the interface. Then, I think, you'll get a higher participation rate, since a lot of people who can't figure out how to vote now will be casting their votes then. I've already voted for these guys, but in essence, the message ought to be 'get us a functional client and then we'll vote you in.'

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2015, 09:24:59 pm »
Nice job on the bitcointalk fire drill everybody. 
Seems there are arsonists among us.
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2015, 09:27:28 pm »
Ignore him, he is a trader who has sold and now hoping for lower prices.

I actually never traded this away. Still have every BTS and bitUSD. More bitUSD now.

Liar.

Who are you trying to fool? I hope you get banned here as you're quite clearly trolling to further your own selfish interests. This is nothing short of hurting others and should be prevented.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2015, 09:35:52 pm »
I prefer stupid people are upfront and obvious. He's doing us a favour spawning activity on BitcoinTalk. More threads the better.. 'bad press' like this is weak and then good for the positive attention it will draw from sensible people who are not so easily taken in.
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2015, 09:37:22 pm »
bad idea... makes it harder for us devs who are contributing and harder to become a delegate

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2015, 09:55:29 pm »
Setting default delegate approval is pretty high centralisation. This is something everyone is trying to avoid... I hope...

On the other hand there is indeed a voter apathy and this makes the "income" of some of the core devs uncertain. The solution to this serious problem shouldn't degrade the qualities of the system. 

A possible (but still controversial) approach to solving this might be:
On the client first startup bring up a list of ALL slates and/or voting window. The user should be able to choose zero, one or more slates/delegates before continuing work. Of course there could be debates about slate/delegate ordering but this should push more people to vote. There could even be an explanation text why voting for core developer's slates is beneficial.

In any case I do NOT think there should be any default selected slates/delegates.