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Offline santaclause102

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2015, 06:06:36 pm »
How many people can actually vote right now? I can't. Clicking "update vote" does nothing. And I am on the latest version (linux; ....27.2-1; re installed today).
Link to issue: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12519.msg166051#msg166051
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2015, 06:07:33 pm »
I think that this is a terrible idea leading to a very bad PR and I would delete this thread before many people see that proposal and start spreading unnecessary FUD. We cannot afford any more BTS dumping and if you go down that road this will undoubtedly happen.

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they can just come to one word, "privilege". people who spread FUD don't care what you really mean.
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2015, 06:08:42 pm »
I think eventually the client needs a 'Delegate Campaigns' tab which shows delegate bids right in the client, possibly also with 'Delegate Slate Campaigns'. We could have a semi-annoying reminder every once in a while, or the delegate campaigns tab glowing a different color until they vote.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2015, 06:10:44 pm »
I think eventually the client needs a 'Delegate Campaigns' tab which shows delegate bids right in the client, possibly also with 'Delegate Slate Campaigns'. We could have a semi-annoying reminder every once in a while, or the delegate campaigns tab glowing a different color until they vote.
+5% +5% One example why this would be a good idea: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=12666.msg169179#msg169179

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2015, 06:13:32 pm »
I can't believe that we even discuss this... I don't even want to mention why this is a bad PR idea as I will give bad actors and FUDers food for thought..

I have another proposal as well... Let's make a delegate that is always voted and pay AGS shareholders every week. AGS shareholders were the ones who supported the project without expecting anything in return anyway..

Please delete this thread before too many people see it..

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2015, 06:14:02 pm »
How many people can actually vote right now? I can't. Clicking "update vote" does nothing. And I am on the latest version (linux; re installed today).

I can vote fine, v0.4.27.2 (built from source) on linux.

It would also be nice if there was a way for delegates to retire and reject all current votes, instead of just dropping block production and waiting to be voted out.  There are still init delegates that have more support than some developers.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2015, 06:18:15 pm »
How many people can actually vote right now? I can't. Clicking "update vote" does nothing. And I am on the latest version (linux; re installed today).

I can vote fine, v0.4.27.2 (built from source) on linux.

It would also be nice if there was a way for delegates to retire and reject all current votes, instead of just dropping block production and waiting to be voted out.  There are still init delegates that have more support than some developers.
Voting def. doesn't work for me and I have the latest version (built from source today).

Delegate retiring would make a lot of sense.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2015, 06:21:44 pm »
I can't believe that we even discuss this... I don't even want to mention why this is a bad PR idea as I will give bad actors and FUDers food for thought..

I have another proposal as well... Let's make a delegate that is always voted and pay AGS shareholders every week. AGS shareholders were the ones who supported the project without expecting anything in return anyway..

Please delete this thread before too many people see it..

There's no need to censor this thread. It's obvious that BM just wants a discussion about this since a lot of the core devs are getting scared of losing their paycheck. Losing a core dev is still a lot worse than putting default votes in the official client, but I don't think either needs to happen. We just need to vote these guys in.

How about instead of having default votes, our entire community makes sure to make a lot of noise here in general discussion over the next couple of weeks to get everyone to vote for our core devs. They'll all be voted in soon enough.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2015, 06:22:03 pm »
How many people can actually vote right now? I can't. Clicking "update vote" does nothing. And I am on the latest version (linux; re installed today).

I can vote fine, v0.4.27.2 (built from source) on linux.

It would also be nice if there was a way for delegates to retire and reject all current votes, instead of just dropping block production and waiting to be voted out.  There are still init delegates that have more support than some developers.

Yet more info to support the claim one of BitShares fundamental building blocks (i.e. voting) needs much more attention paid to it. Not just the act of voting but also the infrastructure about the delegates, slates, metrics / performance stats etc. IMO most of that should be available inside the wallet.

There's been discussion on various threads about putting info on the blockchain. Delegate info should be published there, if nothing else as a public record of accountability for each delegates performance.
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2015, 06:22:45 pm »
I could have delete or edit this OP with better approach .

But I don't know if BM would feel ok about this .... :o
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2015, 06:25:25 pm »
I'd just go with a yes/no dialog in the next wallet version on first launch.

"Would you like default votes set to support the developer team?"

Or something to that effect.  Doing it silently could be bad PR.
That sounds reasonable and would achieve the same goal.

 +5% That would be a good compromise.
But generally I agree that we should be extremely careful with this.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2015, 06:31:01 pm »
Lol.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2015, 06:41:10 pm »
I can't believe that we even discuss this... I don't even want to mention why this is a bad PR idea as I will give bad actors and FUDers food for thought..

I have another proposal as well... Let's make a delegate that is always voted and pay AGS shareholders every week. AGS shareholders were the ones who supported the project without expecting anything in return anyway..

Please delete this thread before too many people see it..

There's no need to censor this thread. It's obvious that BM just wants a discussion about this since a lot of the core devs are getting scared of losing their paycheck. Losing a core dev is still a lot worse than putting default votes in the official client, but I don't think either needs to happen. We just need to vote these guys in.

How about instead of having default votes, our entire community makes sure to make a lot of noise here in general discussion over the next couple of weeks to get everyone to vote for our core devs. They'll all be voted in soon enough.

NOBODY has the right to decide who should be on that list and add it to the system. 
Are we talking about some king knight his followers from the throne here?
I can't believe we even discuss this, yeah, so do I.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2015, 06:42:19 pm »
Many of the core developers are critical to the success of BTS and they are implicitly trusted by everyone who downloads the wallet. 

For this reason I would like to suggest that the next release of the BTS wallet set the "default" approval for the following core developers:

Me, Toast, Nathan, Vikram, Valentine, James, Ben, Dan N., Eric F.   

Each of these guys is implicitly trusted and contributing directly to the github source.    This would really help the core team to get and keep the votes necessary without having to worry much about their salary.   Users could always "unvote" them.   

Thoughts?

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2015, 06:42:34 pm »
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There's no need to censor this thread. It's obvious that BM just wants a discussion about this since a lot of the core devs are getting scared of losing their paycheck.
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The Devs SHOULD get scared of losing their paycheck if they don't continue to do their job as everyone else in real life. Having the devs automatically get elected and paid will make many people very uneasy..

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Losing a core dev is still a lot worse than putting default votes in the official client, but I don't think either needs to happen. We just need to vote these guys in.

Of course we all need to make sure that all of these guys are always voted since they are doing a great job. But these guys need also to keep having a large BTS stake to vote for themselves. What happens if they all dump their shares and are still get voted?

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How about instead of having default votes, our entire community makes sure to make a lot of noise here in general discussion over the next couple of weeks to get everyone to vote for our core devs. They'll all be voted in soon enough.

Whenever one of the Devs is risking to get voted out, the people managing their delegate should make a lot of noise to the community so they get elected back.

Don't kill the democracy of the voting system by applying these kind of rules. This proposal I feel is contradicting the core principles that BM is evangelizing all this time.