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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2015, 05:43:43 pm »
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Many of the core developers are critical to the success of BTS and they are implicitly trusted by everyone who downloads the wallet. 

For this reason I would like to suggest that the next release of the BTS wallet set the "default" approval for the following core developers:

Me, Toast, Nathan, Vikram, Valentine, James, Ben, Dan N., Eric F.

Please list the core developers delegate names here so they can be easily identified

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2015, 06:15:27 pm »
Default should be a clean no vote.

I don't mind a dialog box upon install, a one time option, asking to add core devs individually to my wallet vote, but they should definitely be off by default.
I like this approach ... make it a popup upon first launch .. maybe opt-in some more delegates for the popup too .. some for development, marketing, backbone etc. ... some 100% pay some 3% pay .. just so that the initial votes are non-blank ..
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2015, 06:50:29 pm »
What would be very interesting is a thread with the official lists of devs so we can vote. If that doesn't exist yet.
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2015, 07:34:50 pm »
 
What would be very interesting is a thread with the official lists of devs so we can vote. If that doesn't exist yet.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #94 on: January 25, 2015, 04:28:10 am »
We need to be a little patient with this model.

Many devs prefer technical complexity to social complexity.
Asking them to participate in a continuous job interview is asking a lot.

I expect that those of us who enjoy interacting with people are going to have to pitch in and help them out a bit here.  Bytemaster has told us who he would like to have on his team.  He is very, very, very picky.

If we want BitShares to succeed, we won't ask alpha-geeks to perform unnatural acts.

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You do realize this is antithetical to the entire premise of being "hired by the blockchain"? In other words you are implying that it is impossible for stake-voters to accurately quantify the value of prospective hirees (because it is an "unnatural act" for devs to effectively market their services to the stakeholders).

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #95 on: January 25, 2015, 05:18:43 am »
We need to be a little patient with this model.

Many devs prefer technical complexity to social complexity.
Asking them to participate in a continuous job interview is asking a lot.

I expect that those of us who enjoy interacting with people are going to have to pitch in and help them out a bit here.  Bytemaster has told us who he would like to have on his team.  He is very, very, very picky.

If we want BitShares to succeed, we won't ask alpha-geeks to perform unnatural acts.

:)

You do realize this is antithetical to the entire premise of being "hired by the blockchain"? In other words you are implying that it is impossible for stake-voters to accurately quantify the value of prospective hirees (because it is an "unnatural act" for devs to effectively market their services to the stakeholders).

That's the whole point of this discussion: to figure out how to balance the need for core developers to stay funded + keep it open, transparent, democratic, and decentralized. BitShares needs core developers, but we can't be pre-marking anyone's ballots either!  ;)

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #96 on: January 25, 2015, 05:26:09 am »
We need to be a little patient with this model.

Many devs prefer technical complexity to social complexity.
Asking them to participate in a continuous job interview is asking a lot.

I expect that those of us who enjoy interacting with people are going to have to pitch in and help them out a bit here.  Bytemaster has told us who he would like to have on his team.  He is very, very, very picky.

If we want BitShares to succeed, we won't ask alpha-geeks to perform unnatural acts.

:)

You do realize this is antithetical to the entire premise of being "hired by the blockchain"? In other words you are implying that it is impossible for stake-voters to accurately quantify the value of prospective hirees (because it is an "unnatural act" for devs to effectively market their services to the stakeholders).

No, it just helps define what that has to mean.  If the block chain wants to employ the people it needs, then it must adapt to find a way to employ them.

We are in a phase where each delegate slot funds a part time employee, so to get a team of employees with all the right skills (including the ability to promote their own contributions) you need to have delegates work together to fill in their respective strengths and weaknesses.

Eventually, each delegate will be a small business.  101 teams.  Each team will be a mix of skills, presumably centered around someone who is able to represent that team's capabilities to the stakeholders.

So, until then, you may have to take the word of one trusted delegate about the contributions of several others she is working with.

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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #97 on: February 28, 2015, 05:48:22 pm »
just keep in mind how difficult it is to find AND KEEP core developers.
just keep in mind how difficult it is to find confidence AND KEEP believing in DPOS for the market, keep in mind how easy shareholders walk away and never come back again.
It's the holder to decide instead of employees, right? When we discussed what a DAC means, and Why is Bitshares better than Bitcoin, we said so.
Sorry to say that but we don't need a king, and we don't want to play the game of throne either. If somebody can decide who's on that list, what we need dpos for?
Leave all this to the system itself please.

@callmeluc you're right on target. Just poll the shareholders once a month or somethin. The code will decide which devs have contributed the most and those are the top (say, 10?) Devs who will appear in the poll that month. Shareholders can, not must, pick their dev choice of the month (in the client software). How do we track who's contributed the most.. i don't know, but i do know that we don't need a king to decide who is up for votes. We already have a system like that.
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Re: Default Vote for Core Devs???
« Reply #98 on: March 01, 2015, 01:26:23 am »
I would say do it for all dev's not just core dev's... since we are in the dev cycle its important for all devs to stay and even bring more in if possible.. doing this will push away other dev's like us as we would feel less important. Any new devs will also see this and say meh forget it... im not in the "in" club.
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