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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #150 on: July 17, 2015, 11:06:34 am »
That's good news BM, thank you  +5%

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #151 on: July 17, 2015, 01:11:57 pm »
Funny you mentioned that. Just had an interesting talk with someone about a BTC wallet that could do such things. Seems very possible to do that here as well.

Yes, of course, everyone is going to start talking about this, just like they are talking about many of our other features.  This particular feature is in the news because it is low hanging fruit for today's crypto programmers, and very juicy fruit I might add $$$.

love this idea! only suggestion is to enable some way to stop payment to an address in case one gets compromised. we'd need a clever way to make sure that doesn't become an attack vector for the wallet with a third party able to shut down all transfer channels...

No, that is the whole value of the "zombify" button.  The immutability of this contract is exactly the feature that makes it valuable.  It's a derivative of the value that the immutable blockchain concept has already proved in practice, and why every crypto project currently exists. 

If there is only one thing that the success of bitcoin has taught us, is that immutability has mad real world value (currently $3 billion in value jack).  So this is a direct derivative feature of bitcoin's immutability, that we must exploit ASAP (only because it is one of the easier features to implement).

You cannot ever ever (therein lies the true value) ever ever for eternity change the parameters of the wallet.  It just pays out, on time, until it is empty.  How can you attack a zombie wallet besides stealing the destination private keys?  That is the same attack vector to the private keys you now own, so there is zero added security issue.

Step 1. you designate the walets you want to send funds to and the frequency. Make sure you have these keys protected.
Step 2. You hit the kill switch
Step 3. If one of the destination wallets gets compromised, too bad (just like losing your private key, there is no recourse).  This is an eternal 1 way transaction.  The only way to get around that snafu, if you are still alive is to stop funding this annuity and set up another.  These are indestructible contracts that have extremely high real world value and are critical to our platform ability.  Since the majority of the work is structuring the annuity software portion, I imagine that coding the "kill switch" would be the easy part.

Please, and pretty please.

All I'm begging for is a "kill switch" for the annuity function, is that too difficult to code?

Annuity "kill switch" = wallet can no longer send funds or be modified in any way, but it continues to frequently pay destination wallets, and can accept funds.


i agree that immutability has big value, but so does flexibility. the market is surely big enough for two similar products, one immutable and the other flexible enough to enable a mutlifactor authentication method to change the payout streams on command.

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #152 on: July 17, 2015, 02:42:28 pm »



Beautiful !  I'm digging the GUI.  Nice work

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #153 on: July 17, 2015, 03:16:38 pm »
i agree that immutability has big value, but so does flexibility. the market is surely big enough for two similar products, one immutable and the other flexible enough to enable a mutlifactor authentication method to change the payout streams on command.

That's what I'm saying.  We need an "immutability button" option for annuities.  I should have just proposed it in that vernacular.

ha ok great so let's get to work :)

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #154 on: July 17, 2015, 05:50:07 pm »


Looks nice.

But to [member=11456]svk[/member]:

The value, amount, and price quantities in the GUI aren't right aligned and also seem to be missing comma separators for large numbers.

There should be a quick toggle button to switch the Quote and Base assets (thus inverting the prices and switching the Value and Amount fields).

Since there is so much horizontal space in the middle column, I think it would be nice if it also included a Value column so that people could see the value of their order in units of the Base asset.

Also, I assume that this screenshot is older since here I see you were arguing for a symmetric ordering for the buy and sell columns of the user's unfilled orders, which I strongly agree with.

Finally, I don't like the way the timestamp is represented. First, I hope that the representation of the timestamp will adjust to fit with the user's preferences (so this would be an option in their preferences to globally adjust date and time display in the client, as well as other locale-related things like the characters to use for the decimal vs the separator). But if you were going to choose a default, I think the one represented in the screenshot isn't a good default. If you look at the time alone, then reading left to right, it goes from more significant units to less significant units (hh:mm:ss), but if you look at the date alone, it goes from less significant units to more significant units (DD:MM:YYYY). Putting it together and reading it from left to right, the significance of the units don't follow a nice pattern. So I think the YYYY:MM:DD, hh:mm:ss format makes the most sense as a default since the lexicographical order is equivalent to the chronological order.
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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #155 on: July 17, 2015, 06:01:19 pm »


Looks nice.

But to [member=11456]svk[/member]:

The value, amount, and price quantities in the GUI aren't right aligned and also seem to be missing comma separators for large numbers.

There should be a quick toggle button to switch the Quote and Base assets (thus inverting the prices and switching the Value and Amount fields).

Since there is so much horizontal space in the middle column, I think it would be nice if it also included a Value column so that people could see the value of their order in units of the Base asset.

Also, I assume that this screenshot is older since here I see you were arguing for a symmetric ordering for the buy and sell columns of the user's unfilled orders, which I strongly agree with.

Finally, I don't like the way the timestamp is represented. First, I hope that the representation of the timestamp will adjust to fit with the user's preferences (so this would be an option in their preferences to globally adjust date and time display in the client, as well as other locale-related things like the characters to use for the decimal vs the separator). But if you were going to choose a default, I think the one represented in the screenshot isn't a good default. If you look at the time alone, then reading left to right, it goes from more significant units to less significant units (hh:mm:ss), but if you look at the date alone, it goes from less significant units to more significant units (DD:MM:YYYY). Putting it together and reading it from left to right, the significance of the units don't follow a nice pattern. So I think the YYYY:MM:DD, hh:mm:ss format makes the most sense as a default since the lexicographical order is equivalent to the chronological order.

Thanks for the feedback, I agree with most of your points.

The screenshot is from Cass's branch where he tried out changing the cancel buttons like mentioned in the PR, it's not actually merged so for now the open orders are still symmetrical.

I'm still technically on holiday until the end of the week but I'll try and get some work done to correct the things you've mentioned.
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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #156 on: July 17, 2015, 06:37:36 pm »


Looks nice.

But to the untrained it still looks confusing. BM mentioned in one mumble that it would be modular to allow people to have it set up differently. When you look at BitReserve its easy and obvious if you want to buy or sell Oil, even to someone who doesnt know what shorting is. If you are not familiar with trading it needs to be as intuitive as what bitreserve have.

I think we should make this screen to interpret as possible.



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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #157 on: July 18, 2015, 02:24:38 am »

when will the test need be released?
Is there an eta on when the 2.0 will be released? By sept 1st?

No way it will be that soon.  Hopefully this year.

Today we were pushing over 500 transactions per second through a test network with 4 nodes with ease.   The bottleneck right now is how fast an individual wallet can produce transactions and not how fast the network can process transactions.   The network code is the same as under BTS and had never been pushed to these kinds of limits, so today we fixed a few things.   

We have a working snapshot of BTS imported into Graphene.  All of the tests are currently passing. 

The GUI is what we are waiting on now and it is coming along very well, but as you can see still needs quite a bit of work.   Everything is far more fluid and smooth in the new GUI the feel is greatly improved. 


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if the GUI style  have several kinds  to choose?   like mt4   classic etc

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #158 on: July 19, 2015, 06:41:19 pm »
Is BTS 2.0 redesigning the whole GUI instead of building on the existing one?

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #159 on: July 20, 2015, 06:56:18 am »
Is BTS 2.0 redesigning the whole GUI instead of building on the existing one?
The communication technology between client/GUI and P2P-core client has fundamentally changed. Hence a rewrite. It is also alot(!!!) more responsive now!
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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #160 on: July 20, 2015, 01:05:20 pm »
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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #161 on: July 20, 2015, 02:22:39 pm »
It seems that the issue of bit-assets yield being removed in 2.0 is being treated as a fundamental change to the social contract as it affects business models already built around this feature.

But it wasn't done that way, and now there are plans to make a fundamental change to the social contract. 

My question is this: can we expect the bond market to be flexible enough and user-friendly enough to fully replace the lost functionality of bit-assets yield?

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #162 on: July 20, 2015, 02:36:14 pm »
And I'd like to make sure bytemaster is aware of this opportunity for BitShares:
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17563.0.html

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #163 on: July 23, 2015, 01:13:30 pm »
Can we please discuss how open bitasset positions will be handled in the 2.0 migration? Here's a thread i started on the subject, but we still don't have a definitive answer:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17681.0.html

so far i've learned that open orders will be cancelled, funds returned to each account. What we don't know is how open positions will be handled, especially bc 2.0 won't have identically matched assets to those currently trading, e.g. no bitUSD with interest paid directly.

the sooner we figure this out the better for all of us actively trading in our markets.

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Re: Hangout Questions for Bytemaster (Due Friday @ 10:00am EST)
« Reply #164 on: July 23, 2015, 01:46:11 pm »
How do I gain access to this hangout when it is live?