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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #435 on: December 01, 2015, 10:25:56 am »
Dang .. I manged to maneuver myself into a position I never wanted to be ..

* On the one hand I don't want to appear greedy and am thankful for anything that I receive out of generosity
* furthermore I did publicly state that I did my work "for free" for quite some time
* however, it sometimes feels as if people assume I am rich and can work for free all day long
* Finally, I need to figure out on my own how to make a living from the blockchain space in particular the Graphene-based chains

Anyway .. my fault .. but I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers .. but I can tell you it is less than 50k
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #436 on: December 01, 2015, 11:14:47 am »
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #437 on: December 01, 2015, 11:58:02 am »
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #438 on: December 01, 2015, 12:29:59 pm »
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #439 on: December 01, 2015, 02:20:32 pm »
[member=4792]38PTSWarrior[/member] .. want to guess how much I received?

I am curious and also curious if you feel you have received close to 100Brownies/hour of unpaid work.

I dont want anyone feeling screwed over if at all possible and im sure bm feels the same.
I am happy with the 8k brownie pts I have received which I guess is not much since the inflationary "late days of brownie points". Did I work more for BTS?
WHAT IS WORK? There has to be a sense of productive work and unproductive work. If anyone that says he did something for BTS is getting paid "hourly"... what do we end up with?

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #440 on: December 01, 2015, 05:21:01 pm »
I think you guys should take a deep breath and remember this:

Technically all Brownie Points mean is that you are on my good side.  Brownie Points are not redeemable for anything and do not create any obligations between me and anyone else.   BROWNIE.PTS is a tool that allows me to keep track of everyone who is in my good favor and to what extent.
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #441 on: December 01, 2015, 10:28:30 pm »
[member=120]xeroc[/member] iirc I read a post you made where you disclosed how many you got, though you might have edited out the number later, I say this because I think I remember comparing in my mind and thinking it odd the number you got to how many I received, I was gifted the ratio of 100 brownies per hour worked, and I had thought you had many more hours than 400 (I am thinking I read you posted it was 40,000).


btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #442 on: December 02, 2015, 07:49:49 am »
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #443 on: December 02, 2015, 07:54:49 pm »
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.  it is largely a big and thankless job...but im doing the best i can with it to help our community and those who have chosen to directly contribute to bitshares rather than sit back, work extra hours to buy more stake. 

The difficult thing in bitshares is that those who work for bts generally free of charge will someday be in the position where they have very little control over what they helped construct.  Instead it will be centralized exchanges and some whales who largely did not participate other than through buying bts (which is fine, but slightly unfair to BRN holders whose work will have literally been why the whales will be super wealthy).  It is a tough question and though I can make rules, at least at first im trying to simply stick to the basics of what bm wanted rather than make it something difficult.

That said, I guess the definition of "work" is different for different people. For someone in the position 38ptswarrior is in...everyday life probably seems like a heck of a lot of work, which is likely why such a sum was chosen by him in terms of hours worked. 

It should be indisbutable that 38 has done a good deal of advocating for bitshares.  However, it is also apparent that many of us have been here from near day one who could come up with very similar numbers.  This number, however, if given to 38ptswarrior, would likely anger many others who could have gone as far as to expect that much, but chose to remain a bit humble in their enumeration of work hours.  Im going to sit and think about this for a few and ask [member=4792]38PTSWarrior[/member] to consider his listing and help me out to find a happy medium.  I personally know of noone who has so many brownies as is being asked for. 

[member=120]xeroc[/member], i believe you have been severely underpaid for your work.  Please consider my request to 38 to have beeen extended to you as well. 
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #444 on: December 02, 2015, 08:06:35 pm »
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.

[member=30868]kenCode[/member] i get frustrated with you because you do so much and dont ask for anything...then fight me trying to give you brownies for all I KNOW you have done.  >:(

So with that said, I think im going to give you some anyway...and you can complain...but if they end up worth nothing then you are no worse off than you are now.  However, if you are interested in ShareBits like i know you are...they will be a big sharedrop target so we can give them to the community instead of all to exchanges...

« Last Edit: December 02, 2015, 08:09:25 pm by fuzzy »
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #445 on: December 02, 2015, 10:04:00 pm »
Hours per day

2013
December:  4

2014
January 6
February 6
March 2
EDIT: Forgot April in the calculation! Keep it :)
May  2
June 2
July 2
August 2
September 2
October 8
November 8
December 8

2015
January 8
February 8
March 8
April 8
May 8
June 8
July 4
August 4
September 4
October 4
November 4

 
4: 6 months x 4 hours = 720
6: 2  months x 6 hours =  360
8: 9 months x 8 = 2160
2: 6  months x 2 = 360

= 3600

Originally  calculation after fuzzy told me to really think about it: 23 months x 4 hours = 2760 hours (sorry if I calculated this
December in)

Now I really really thought about it again and wrote down all the months and get 3600.

In some months I left the hostel and worked 12 hours. Because I made a break also,  I calculated 8 hours.
Even when I have a break I pitch BTS since end 2013 to everyone who shows a slight interest. Because I want to change the world.

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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #446 on: December 03, 2015, 06:13:00 am »
btw, to the powers that be if continued effort is worthy of brownies, thanks for considering... https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.msg257961.html#msg257961
bitsharesblog.com is a great thing! Please continue with that!

[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #447 on: December 03, 2015, 07:45:25 am »
[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.  it is largely a big and thankless job...but im doing the best i can with it to help our community and those who have chosen to directly contribute to bitshares rather than sit back, work extra hours to buy more stake. 

That said, I guess the definition of "work" is different for different people. For someone in the position 38ptswarrior is in...everyday life probably seems like a heck of a lot of work, which is likely why such a sum was chosen by him in terms of hours worked. 

[member=120]xeroc[/member], i believe you have been severely underpaid for your work.  Please consider my request to 38 to have beeen extended to you as well. 
Thanks for you kind words. However, I never actually wrote down my hours and
won't ask for any compensation for work that I did back when I "worked for the
fun" and was mostly curious to learn the tech and some coding languages. Calling
it "severely underpaid" doesn't fit in my case IMHO since I WANTED to do what I
did not because of any compensation. I wouldn't dare asking for more brownies
though I would gladly take them.

You should also note that I do have an agreement with CNX since September this
year and get compensated not only for my technical support but also for
documentation and all kinds of development that are Graphene/BitShares related.

During the last years, I have received a lot of trust and new friends among this
community and that is motivation enough.
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #448 on: December 03, 2015, 08:37:03 am »
[member=120]xeroc[/member] [member=4524]mint chocolate chip[/member] yes it is.  and id gladly distribute brownies to you if you can give a general idea of the hours spent working...I am mostly doing this to help out and generally try to get a number of hours figured out for me so i know that it is not my bias deciding.  obviously, however, I hope those who are telling me the hours they worked are doing so transparently here in this thread and also that the other brownie holders are not being undercut for the work theyve done.  it is largely a big and thankless job...but im doing the best i can with it to help our community and those who have chosen to directly contribute to bitshares rather than sit back, work extra hours to buy more stake. 

That said, I guess the definition of "work" is different for different people. For someone in the position 38ptswarrior is in...everyday life probably seems like a heck of a lot of work, which is likely why such a sum was chosen by him in terms of hours worked. 

[member=120]xeroc[/member], i believe you have been severely underpaid for your work.  Please consider my request to 38 to have beeen extended to you as well. 
Thanks for you kind words. However, I never actually wrote down my hours and
won't ask for any compensation for work that I did back when I "worked for the
fun" and was mostly curious to learn the tech and some coding languages. Calling
it "severely underpaid" doesn't fit in my case IMHO since I WANTED to do what I
did not because of any compensation. I wouldn't dare asking for more brownies
though I would gladly take them.

You should also note that I do have an agreement with CNX since September this
year and get compensated not only for my technical support but also for
documentation and all kinds of development that are Graphene/BitShares related.

During the last years, I have received a lot of trust and new friends among this
community and that is motivation enough.

<3

Thanks for the info.  I am glad cryptonomex is paying you for your work because it is essential. 
« Last Edit: December 03, 2015, 08:39:35 am by fuzzy »
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Re: Announcing Brownie Points (BROWNIE.PTS)
« Reply #449 on: December 03, 2015, 03:37:14 pm »
I don't think its a good idea to publish my numbers

I am begging for stealth (blinded) transactions and multisig in the light wallet. The moment we see stealth, that is the day whales and savers will start to move in to Bitshares. Multisig will bring in more businesses and their investors. The Asset Bot (it creates UIA/FBA for you) will help to shield them.

That's not my point

No, it's my point.. prioritization. Let's bring liquidity.
[member=30868]kenCode[/member] i get frustrated with you because you do so much and dont ask for anything...then fight me trying to give you brownies for all I KNOW you have done.  >:(
So with that said, I think im going to give you some anyway...and you can complain...but if they end up worth nothing then you are no worse off than you are now.  However, if you are interested in ShareBits like i know you are...they will be a big sharedrop target so we can give them to the community instead of all to exchanges...

well thanx fuzzy man i guess brownies are ok, i can dump them on the market, make some bts and gen tx fees in the process which in turn helps Bitshares :)
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