Can we do these things

[Erlich Bachman]

It's the same thing with the NOTEs sharedrop. They paid all those transaction fees.

Wow I didnt know that.

Being able to sharedrop or pay a dividend with just 1 transaction fee should be on the roadmap for a post-2.0 feature development imo.  (If its not already in 2.0).

Agreed, the "single" transaction fee is derivative of how many transactions were applied to the system.  For instance, if I sent 9 dividends out, then the fee should show up in my transaction history as a single 0.9BTS fee = (0.1BTS/transaction)(9 dividends sent out)

Just like how Peertracks paid 1500 BTS for 15,000 transactions (at 0.1BTS per transaction)x(15,000 NOTES holders) when distributing NOTES

We can create bulk discounts by amount, for instance:

1/2 price on 10k-100k simultaneous transactions
75% off 100k-1M simultaneous transactions
>1M simultaneous transactions = regular price

This prevents spam attacks with false dividends paid to millions of accounts,

[xeroc]

Not sure about the transaction format in BTS2, but at least in BTS0.9 you can bundle many deposit/withdraw operations into one transaction .. afaik the tx max size is 1MB.
IIRC, with BTS2, the fee is deterministically coupled with the size of the transaction, hence this may cost your more ...

Anyway, the blockchain knows the address<->balance pairs already, so it should be possible to implement a dividend operation to reduce the size of the transaction and thus the fee ..

[Ander]

It's the same thing with the NOTEs sharedrop. They paid all those transaction fees.

Wow I didnt know that.

Being able to sharedrop or pay a dividend with just 1 transaction fee should be on the roadmap for a post-2.0 feature development imo.  (If its not already in 2.0). 

[arhag]

For dividends to work, we need to be able to issue a dividend (or sharedrop), with only one transaction fee.

While not essential for a dividend to work [1], I agree it is highly desirable. That is a feature we could vote for with a worker proposal in BitShares 2.0.

Say if I create a UIA and I want to share drop it on Brownie-PTS, would I have to pay a transaction fee for each account I am share dropping on?

Yes.

Surely thats not the case, how did NOTEs issue their UIA (they are slightly different because they sharedropped on PTS/AGS, but they still have a share dropped UIA.

It's the same thing with the NOTEs sharedrop. They paid all those transaction fees.


Edit:
[1] A special dividend operation is not necessary to achieve the effect of a dividend distributed to a target asset that is not blinded. However, a special dividend operation is needed if we want to distribute dividends to assets that we want to use in Confidential transactions. For example, if someone wants to sharedrop a UIA on BTS holders, they are not able to give it to anyone who keeps their BTS amounts blinded for privacy reasons. The BTS holders would be put in an unfortunate position of either giving up their privacy or giving up the sharedrop. The solution to avoid forcing the user to give up either is to create a special dividend operation that also works well with blinded amounts. I discuss such an operation in a proposal I posted here.

[Ander]

For dividends to work, we need to be able to issue a dividend (or sharedrop), with only one transaction fee. 

[MrJeans]

Alternatively, can I share drop a second UIA on users in proportion to how much of a particular other UIA they have (more indirect way of providing dividends)?

You can pull out the "addresses"/account names which own some funds and sharedrop them with an arbitrary asset .. again you will be required to pay the tx fee

I gave this some thought.
Say if I create a UIA and I want to share drop it on Brownie-PTS, would I have to pay a transaction fee for each account I am share dropping on?

Surely thats not the case, how did NOTEs issue their UIA (they are slightly different because they sharedropped on PTS/AGS, but they still have a share dropped UIA.

[MrJeans]

Thanks for the response.
I will follow up with the threads.
The transaction fees are worrying.

[xeroc]

Can I purchase bitUSD and share drop it on users in proportion to how much of a particular UIA they have (akin to providing dividends)?

Sure. Though this will cost transaction fee. I can recall that there are some discussion about how an in-house "dividends" should be implemented in BTS2 ..
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16554.0.html

Alternatively, can I share drop a second UIA on users in proportion to how much of a particular other UIA they have (more indirect way of providing dividends)?

You can pull out the "addresses"/account names which own some funds and sharedrop them with an arbitrary asset .. again you will be required to pay the tx fee

Also can I halt markets/prevent trading of a UIA I control (e.g if I want to do a share split I may want to prevent people from trading for an hour while the split is executed)?

Yes you can:
http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/BitShares/UserAssets

[MrJeans]

Can I purchase bitUSD and share drop it on users in proportion to how much of a particular UIA they have (akin to providing dividends)?

Alternatively, can I share drop a second UIA on users in proportion to how much of a particular other UIA they have (more indirect way of providing dividends)?

Also can I halt markets/prevent trading of a UIA I control (e.g if I want to do a share split I may want to prevent people from trading for an hour while the split is executed)?

boom! 3 questions, who has the answers