Qora and Ciyam: Brainstorming Possible Symbiotic Relationships

[Tuck Fheman]

Qora - could work on decentralized net / messaging

dude, I just liked and reblogged your decentralized blog post onto our decentralized blog.

i had no idea they already had that functionality in.

[Tuck Fheman]

All I know is, I'm blown away by Qora v22. I've barely started getting into building a decentralized blog, but I'm very impressed by what they've done and I knew what to expect going in, still blown away.  @ Dev's

So if you're into Qora, give our decentralized Beyond Bitcoin blog a follow (just setting it up now) : http://127.0.0.1:9090/index/blog.html?blogname=beyondbitcoin

Here's a tutorial : https://youtu.be/dNJ9s08m0qc

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how about

Qora - could work on decentralized net / messaging
Sia - could work on decentralized storage and host (?) qora websites
CIYAM - atomic cross chain txs


those two could run on bitshares which would give the net an incredible value in my opinion.

[santaclause102]

If we could be perceived as the first crypto community embracing other blockchain projects that would be something really new 

[jsidhu]

Sia is another blockchain based storage platform I think could be good to talk to. I don't think they are as well known as storj, but the devs seem to be making progress and have some interesting ideas/applications.  Currently you can lease/rent storage as long as you have a few Siacoins. I think working with either storj, sia or both could be big, as most people won't want to pay for storage in some arbitrary currency, but instead with something they are familiar with(USD, EUR, etc).

Sia develiped a custom solution thinking they can do better than Bitcoin in less than 6 months. Terrible decision as they now have wallet problems. Their design is similar to storj... They are stuck in a custom coded mess imo. I think perhaps moving onto bitshares and implementing the storage stuff in p2p may solve their issues.

[lafona]

Sia is another blockchain based storage platform I think could be good to talk to. I don't think they are as well known as storj, but the devs seem to be making progress and have some interesting ideas/applications.  Currently you can lease/rent storage as long as you have a few Siacoins. I think working with either storj, sia or both could be big, as most people won't want to pay for storage in some arbitrary currency, but instead with something they are familiar with(USD, EUR, etc).

[Akado]

I do look fwd to a CIYAM / Bitshares integration... Ian was in on the idea, just needs a dev allocated.

[openledger]

Bitshares + Qora + CIYAM + Cryptonomex + CCEDK = Take over the world together.

 

[jsidhu]

I do look fwd to a CIYAM / Bitshares integration... Ian was in on the idea, just needs a dev allocated.

[Ander]

Bitshares + Qora + CIYAM + Cryptonomex + CCEDK = Take over the world together.

[openledger]

Spread the word

Coming soon at #CCEDK #Qora trading pairs in both BTC, EUR, USD and CNY,  Join Beyond Bitcoin Hangout Saturday https://beyondbitcoin.org/qora-decentralized-web-and-blogs/ …

[fuzzy]

Seems like the best thread to promote this in ...

This Saturday, July 25th - Beyond Bitcoin Bonus Hangout - Qora / CIYAM @ 2PM UTC

https://beyondbitcoin.org/qora-decentralized-web-and-blogs

2PM UTC = 10AM EST

We will post it to the forum like I did here:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17710.msg225741.html#msg225741

[openledger]

In case I have not mentioned this yet, Ripple is being implemented at the moment, stellar is next to be added in automode, and both should be up and running within next three-four weeks max.

[openledger]

So, It seems some news will be presented on the hangout on Saturday. I am not sure if I can make it myself, but would like to say  that there are some great news coming up when Vrontis will speak about Qora on on the hangout Saturday.

[Buck Fankers]

Seems like the best thread to promote this in ...

This Saturday, July 25th - Beyond Bitcoin Bonus Hangout - Qora / CIYAM @ 2PM UTC

https://beyondbitcoin.org/qora-decentralized-web-and-blogs

2PM UTC = 10AM EST

[fuzzy]

Stellar seems like a great idea. 
Monero---I thought from my (less than complete) research on it that Monero was actually a pretty solid little coin--from a tech perspective at least. 

Here are my thoughts though:
We have been focusing on our own little Island now for a long time.  It has been beneficial for us to do so for the initial stages in some respects, but as BitShares becomes truly decentralized and Cryptonomex begins doing work in other areas that may (or may not) end up gaining community consensus, it will be valuable to start forming alliances with other projects that have innovators and passionate communities with similar goals to our own. 

The number 1 thing we need is resilience---not just of the network infrastructure but also of the developer pool who can and will work for the BitShares holders.  In fact, this is the reason why Beyond Bitcoin is intentionally a "movement" not owned by Fuzzy.  God forbid something ever happen to me in the "land of the free", but if it does--I want our community to gain strength and resolve from my indefinite deten---I mean leave of absence.

BM once said at that investors need to look to projects with teams who are innovating in the space...so I am reaching out to all the community here to help us establish which projects these might be.  Because BM was right...and as always I think he is trying to teach us what he knows on how to do what we need to do moving forward. 

Thank you everyone for continuing to do what you can to help.  This stuff is important (though at times a little daunting and uncomfortable--being that most of us are Fanboys of the CNX team). 

*P.S.*  To the CNX team, please look at this as an opportunity for us to bring you highly innovative devs and communities who are very similar to you.  Please also consider this as potential grounds for RECRUITING TALENT to help work with you on various projects.  Alliances formed will give you more manpower to accomplish what needs accomplished for BitShares to become what it needs to become. 

[Buck Fankers]

lulz, thought I was typing a private msg.

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How about
- Monero
- Stellar
?

I'm fine with all mentioned coins to this point except for Monero. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793787.20 < had a good laugh there

[xeroc]

How about
- Monero
- Stellar
?

[fuzzy]

IMHO we should focus on non-satoshi-based 2.0 blockchain tech:
- CIYAM
- Ethereum
- NEM/NXT
- SAFE
- StorJ
(no particular order)

Sounds sexy. 

[cass]

IMHO we should focus on non-satoshi-based 2.0 blockchain tech:
- CIYAM
- Ethereum
- NEM/NXT
- SAFE
- StorJ
(no particular order)

 

[xeroc]

IMHO we should focus on non-satoshi-based 2.0 blockchain tech:
- CIYAM
- Ethereum
- NEM/NXT
- SAFE
- StorJ
(no particular order)

[openledger]

Let me know when Qora is enabled and I will send Qora there to trade.

 

[Ander]

Let me know when Qora is enabled and I will send Qora there to trade.

[Tuck Fheman]

suggestion is in the mail Tuck, if that is possible to begin with feel free to share already now with rest of community, will have to go sleep now, then we can speak again about this tomorrow.

it's all setup, emailed you, thanks Ronny & Ander!

[openledger]

suggestion is in the mail Tuck, if that is possible to begin with feel free to share already now with rest of community, will have to go sleep now, then we can speak again about this tomorrow.

[Ander]

CCEDK is a heck of a lot easier for me because all I have to do is put in orders, dont have to worry about running servers or nodes or other things that I dont know how to do. :p

[Tuck Fheman]

I could put up buy/sell walls on ccedk as well.  (Which is probably infinitely easier than what metaexchange is going to need.  Though it would be cool if we can get both working).

(Dang, I need some BTC for this, I shoved it all into BTS this week, lol).

  Excellent Ander, thanks!!!

@ccedk

[Ander]

I could put up buy/sell walls on ccedk as well.  (Which is probably infinitely easier than what metaexchange is going to need.  Though it would be cool if we can get both working).

(Dang, I need some BTC for this, I shoved it all into BTS this week, lol). 

[openledger]

need more people forging.

Before saying too much, please read pm @Tuck Fheman

[Shentist]

I'm thinking about being liquidity provider for this.  PMed you monsterer.

But if it would require a bunch of technical skills or keeping a wallet running 24/7 I don't know that I could do it.

let us talk, maybe we can help you to run the technical side. But PM monsterer is a good first step to talk the technical side

[Shentist]

I saw a comment that polo disabled qora withdrawals, went and checked and it is true.

So even if metaexchange gets its 4 btc worth of qora, what will it do if it runs out?

we are running a market maker bot who trys to balance his portfolio. So in theory if we are running out on one side, the price is so good someone will sell it to us back!

we are trying to be an exchange with an internal market maker.

and

if we are running out of assets, you are free to place limit orders on our market as you know from 3rd party exchanges. But on our exchange you have not to setup any account and running
everything with your own wallets. The money you want to transfer is only for the time in transaction at risk. So, if you place a limit order and not right away executed you are adding a little bit of 3rd party risk as well.

[Tuck Fheman]

I'm thinking about being liquidity provider for this.  PMed you monsterer.

But if it would require a bunch of technical skills or keeping a wallet running 24/7 I don't know that I could do it.

 

[Ander]

need more people forging.

When I try to run Qora and Bitshares at the same time by computer blue screens.

[Ander]

I'm thinking about being liquidity provider for this.  PMed you monsterer.

But if it would require a bunch of technical skills or keeping a wallet running 24/7 I don't know that I could do it.

[Tuck Fheman]

need more people forging.

[Ander]

And polo enabled again.  They must have just been restarting the wallet.

[monsterer]

I saw a comment that polo disabled qora withdrawals, went and checked and it is true.

So even if metaexchange gets its 4 btc worth of qora, what will it do if it runs out?

Really, we want a liquidity partner to take over qora operations; but, yes you are correct if there's no way to replenish supply, the operator risks running out completely.

[Ander]

I saw a comment that polo disabled qora withdrawals, went and checked and it is true.

So even if metaexchange gets its 4 btc worth of qora, what will it do if it runs out?

[Tuck Fheman]

someone want to sell 4 BTC worth in Qora for a reasonable price, so we could set this up on our own.

This may be doable, will let you know soon.

[Ben Mason]

I think this is a great idea... The more the different projects start collaborating, the easier it will be to knock out the incumbent big corporations. 

^^^^  THIS!!!  EXACTLY THIS!!! ^^^^

  QORA would be a nice starter

Projects beginning to collaborate and align is the most exciting development!

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Metaexchange would be interested to start trading Qora but

first : we would need a liquidityprovider who has at least 4-10 BTC worth in qora and the same amount in BTC

or

someone want to sell 4 BTC worth in Qora for a reasonable price, so we could set this up on our own.

@fuzzy you can mention it to them

!!

I mentioned it in their BCT thread too.

[xeroc]

Metaexchange would be interested to start trading Qora but

first : we would need a liquidityprovider who has at least 4-10 BTC worth in qora and the same amount in BTC

or

someone want to sell 4 BTC worth in Qora for a reasonable price, so we could set this up on our own.

@fuzzy you can mention it to them

!!

[fuzzy]

Metaexchange would be interested to start trading Qora but

first : we would need a liquidityprovider who has at least 4-10 BTC worth in qora and the same amount in BTC

or

someone want to sell 4 BTC worth in Qora for a reasonable price, so we could set this up on our own.

@fuzzy you can mention it to them

I will gladly mention this to them.  P.S.  I still would love to chat with yourself and Monsterer at some point

[Shentist]

Metaexchange would be interested to start trading Qora but

first : we would need a liquidityprovider who has at least 4-10 BTC worth in qora and the same amount in BTC

or

someone want to sell 4 BTC worth in Qora for a reasonable price, so we could set this up on our own.

@fuzzy you can mention it to them

[fav]

I think this is a great idea... The more the different projects start collaborating, the easier it will be to knock out the incumbent big corporations. 

^^^^  THIS!!!  EXACTLY THIS!!! ^^^^

  QORA would be a nice starter

[Tuck Fheman]

I think this is a great idea... The more the different projects start collaborating, the easier it will be to knock out the incumbent big corporations.  Divided we are to weak and unfocused to do much.

 

I suspect a decentralized reddit-like offering is not too far off. From what I've learned recently, everything is already in place and simply setting up a layout is about all it would take.

[emailtooaj]

I think this is a great idea... The more the different projects start collaborating, the easier it will be to knock out the incumbent big corporations. 

^^^^  THIS!!!  EXACTLY THIS!!! ^^^^

[puppies]

Qora is currently focused on decentralized blogging, web, and social networking, and on smart contracts (AT).  Bitshares is working on being the primary decentralized exchange for all crypto.

Of course, Bitshares does have future feature plans that overlap with what Qora is doing, but this isnt the primary current focus.

This is kind of what I was thinking because if we can garner the support of their community and devs we can perhaps ask them to do a work proposal to integrate those functionalities that we feel will be best connected with bitshares.  Having devs from the chains listed on our exchange working on the adding to bitshares will make it like a supernet, but better for multiple reasons

Yes.

If they are open to using the bts blockchain it would save both of us from having to duplicate work.

[fuzzy]

Qora is currently focused on decentralized blogging, web, and social networking, and on smart contracts (AT).  Bitshares is working on being the primary decentralized exchange for all crypto.

Of course, Bitshares does have future feature plans that overlap with what Qora is doing, but this isnt the primary current focus.

This is kind of what I was thinking because if we can garner the support of their community and devs we can perhaps ask them to do a work proposal to integrate those functionalities that we feel will be best connected with bitshares.  Having devs from the chains listed on our exchange working on the adding to bitshares will make it like a supernet, but better for multiple reasons

[Ander]

At a very simple level, if we can enable Qora trading in the Bitshares Exchange Network, then each coin would get a benefit:

* Qora would solve the problem it has had for many months that it has no reliable exchange.  Its traded on bter (lol) and poloniex, and both of them periodically have problems and disable trading/withdrawals/deposits.  Sometimes for months.  So the Qora community, though small, is actively looking for the service Bitshares provides.

* Bitshares would gain more customers, which is more transactions on the Bitshares network, and possibly the support of another crypto community.

Both coins are working on different things right now, which arent really in competition with each other.  Qora is currently focused on decentralized blogging, web, and social networking, and on smart contracts (AT).  Bitshares is working on being the primary decentralized exchange for all crypto.

Of course, Bitshares does have future feature plans that overlap with what Qora is doing, but this isnt the primary current focus.

[lil_jay890]

I think this is a great idea... The more the different projects start collaborating, the easier it will be to knock out the incumbent big corporations.  Divided we are to weak and unfocused to do much.

[fuzzy]

I am currently preparing for a bonus hangout with Qora and CIYAM.  These bonus hangouts are meant to help us bring in more chains that are attempting to offer real value and innovation in ways that might align well with our own favorite project. 

I'd like to open this subject up for the community to give their opinions on what mutual benefits might be gained from both sides. 

So please give your opinions so I can take them I to account as I work and plan behind the scenes