Maker sharedrop on the BitShares community

[D4vegee]

Agreed. Also, brownies are actively traded on BTS right now. Wouldn't be hard for someone that BM doesn't like/approve of with deep pockets to just buy a whole bunch. And be super-duper "appreciated". lol.

I would be extremely disappointed to see future DACs choose BROWNIE.PTS as a sharedrop over BTS. Alot of people donated whatever they could to AGS, and the idea was that future DACs that wanted the community support would sharedrop on those who funded early innovation. BROWNIE.PTS only represents the tiniest, most vocal, most talented segment of the community (or those who have Fridays at 10AM off).

Spot on.

[Ander]

It's BROWNIE.PTS, it's just blank. Then the client usually hangs for a while and I have to force quit. I think maybe my computer just doesn't have the balls for 0.9.1?

Happens to me too in some markets.

This happens to me too at first, but after some time it all finally appears. 

Getting my notes was incredibly hard.  I placed several small orders at different prices, and then it crashed.  Then hours later when I resynced the blockchain, I got in and put in several more orders, and then it crashed.  When I finally got in again I put in one big order near .150, was glad when it eventually got hit.

Yeah, we need 2.0 really badly.

[Ander]

I would say that the guy who created BROWNIE asset was trying to scam people, except that it was actually created first.

The only way you can create sub assets like BROWNIE.PTS is if you own the Parent Asset BROWNIE.  Bytemaster is the creator of both.
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/info?asset=BROWNIE
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/info?asset=BROWNIE.PTS

I didnt know that.
I was initially tricked by the existence of BROWNIE, as others probably have been also.

[unreadPostsSinceLastVisit]

Happens to me too in some markets.

I tried to buy some NOTES last night, barely got the order placed then had the same symptoms. Then the order expired.

But I was able to trade some bitUSD for BTS with no problems at all. Maybe it's a volume related bug? I'd say that it doesn't matter, I can just wait until 2.0, but where NOTES and BROWNIE.PTS are concerned maybe I can't...

[Xeldal]

I would say that the guy who created BROWNIE asset was trying to scam people, except that it was actually created first.

The only way you can create sub assets like BROWNIE.PTS is if you own the Parent Asset BROWNIE.  Bytemaster is the creator of both.
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/info?asset=BROWNIE
https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/info?asset=BROWNIE.PTS

[Akado]

Agreed. Also, brownies are actively traded on BTS right now. Wouldn't be hard for someone that BM doesn't like/approve of with deep pockets to just buy a whole bunch. And be super-duper "appreciated". lol.

Wait really? After finally completing the (currently arduous) task of getting the blockchain to sync I've been trying to buy some BROWNIE.PTS for a couple days, but the orderbook screen is completely blank in my client, so I assumed that everybody was just hodling. Is it just me? I'm looking at it now.

The orderbook should look the same as this:

https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=BROWNIE.PTS

If its blank, its probably because youre looking at BROWNIE and not BROWNIE.PTS or something like that.  I would say that the guy who created BROWNIE asset was trying to scam people, except that it was actually created first.

It's BROWNIE.PTS, it's just blank. Then the client usually hangs for a while and I have to force quit. I think maybe my computer just doesn't have the balls for 0.9.1?

Happens to me too in some markets.

[unreadPostsSinceLastVisit]

Agreed. Also, brownies are actively traded on BTS right now. Wouldn't be hard for someone that BM doesn't like/approve of with deep pockets to just buy a whole bunch. And be super-duper "appreciated". lol.

Wait really? After finally completing the (currently arduous) task of getting the blockchain to sync I've been trying to buy some BROWNIE.PTS for a couple days, but the orderbook screen is completely blank in my client, so I assumed that everybody was just hodling. Is it just me? I'm looking at it now.

The orderbook should look the same as this:

https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=BROWNIE.PTS

If its blank, its probably because youre looking at BROWNIE and not BROWNIE.PTS or something like that.  I would say that the guy who created BROWNIE asset was trying to scam people, except that it was actually created first.

It's BROWNIE.PTS, it's just blank. Then the client usually hangs for a while and I have to force quit. I think maybe my computer just doesn't have the balls for 0.9.1?

[Ander]

Agreed. Also, brownies are actively traded on BTS right now. Wouldn't be hard for someone that BM doesn't like/approve of with deep pockets to just buy a whole bunch. And be super-duper "appreciated". lol.

Wait really? After finally completing the (currently arduous) task of getting the blockchain to sync I've been trying to buy some BROWNIE.PTS for a couple days, but the orderbook screen is completely blank in my client, so I assumed that everybody was just hodling. Is it just me? I'm looking at it now.

The orderbook should look the same as this:

https://bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=BROWNIE.PTS

If its blank, its probably because youre looking at BROWNIE and not BROWNIE.PTS or something like that.  I would say that the guy who created BROWNIE asset was trying to scam people, except that it was actually created first.

[bobmaloney]

Wait really? After finally completing the (currently arduous) task of getting the blockchain to sync I've been trying to buy some BROWNIE.PTS for a couple days, but the orderbook screen is completely blank in my client, so I assumed that everybody was just hodling. Is it just me? I'm looking at it now.

It has been reasonably active for a few weeks

http://www.bitsharesblocks.com/asset/orderbook?asset=BROWNIE.PTS

[vikram]

BM doesn't want to implement the EVM because it is slow and can't capitalize on graphene's architecture.
You can read someone's thoughts here (vikram's?)  https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/blacklizard-app-finarch#black-lizard--be-the-platform-not-the-app

Those are @theoretical's notes.

[unreadPostsSinceLastVisit]

Agreed. Also, brownies are actively traded on BTS right now. Wouldn't be hard for someone that BM doesn't like/approve of with deep pockets to just buy a whole bunch. And be super-duper "appreciated". lol.

Wait really? After finally completing the (currently arduous) task of getting the blockchain to sync I've been trying to buy some BROWNIE.PTS for a couple days, but the orderbook screen is completely blank in my client, so I assumed that everybody was just hodling. Is it just me? I'm looking at it now.

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I would be extremely disappointed to see future DACs choose BROWNIE.PTS as a sharedrop over BTS. Alot of people donated whatever they could to AGS, and the idea was that future DACs that wanted the community support would sharedrop on those who funded early innovation. BROWNIE.PTS only represents the tiniest, most vocal, most talented segment of the community (or those who have Fridays at 10AM off).

I can tolerate the idea of CNX dropping on BROWNIE.PTS - since their business model is private and shouldn't effect BitShares. Tiny group of people sharedropping a tiny group of contributors doing work for private enterprises makes sense to me, as eerily similar to legacy business models as it seems, I can stomach it, I suppose, it's like somebody starting a private business and doing their payroll through a blockchain.

But I'm not sure I could support any DAC that chose BROWNIE.PTS as a sharedrop target without also sharedropping the community behind them. I can see why you'd want to consider targeting the wizards (and hangout attendees) who own BROWNIE.PTS, I just worry that it's another step closer to a kind of exclusivity that doesn't belong in cryptocurrency. Also, consider the people who read the transcripts of the hangouts. If being at a hangout counts for some BROWNIE.PTS, shouldn't that also? BROWNIE.PTS isn't a perfect system for doing what it's trying to do. (DISCLAIMER: I might be a little butthurt from not having any, so maybe I'm biased).

Lot's of people are lurkers. Lot's of people choose to support BTS with their money instead of their direct efforts. That counts, in my opinion.

[bobmaloney]

I'm going to go ahead and throw out the following suggestion from the standpoint that it:

1. Casts the widest net

2. Offers the possibility of bringing back the attention of some early supporters that recognized the need and importance of something like bitUSD (but have drifted away due to numerous reasons) to Bitshares, while introducing them to Maker.

5% - PTS
5% - AGS
5% - BTS
5% - Brownie.PTS

The demographics of each group listed above offers a unique set of potential benefits/qualities and that it would be wise to consider what may be gained from including all of them.

Obviously, the recommendations from those CURRENTLY in the forum for this single snapshot of time will side heavily on BTS/Brownie.PTS (and which I would personally gain most from) - but this community has seen plenty of interest and early support from individuals who could probably be found more heavily in PTS/AGS as well.

My .02 BTS

[fuzzy]

Can you say what public blockchains are looking to implement EVM that you know of so far?

Nothing that I know of. There's one that wants to sharedrop onto BTC I think.

@bytemaster, would you mind speaking to the feasibility of implementing EVM into Bitshares sometime down the road and whether that could fit into your vision?  Thanks.

BM doesn't want to implement the EVM because it is slow and can't capitalize on graphene's architecture.
You can read someone's thoughts here (vikram's?)  https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/wiki/blacklizard-app-finarch#black-lizard--be-the-platform-not-the-app

Hm...if there was a guy I knew who could put together a team to gain the benefits of both bitshares and ethereum....who would it be?  If the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) is so great and a way can rationally be found to implement it, I think it would be a potential competitor to both....and if you sharedropped on both communities, you might see some interesting things happen (and not have to worry about not getting enough crowdfunding)

[Ander]

While I would actually profit more from a Brownie sharedrop, I think it is correct to sharedrop to BTS, if your goal is to gain the support of a userbase, as opposed to the couple hundred people who have brownies.  I think Brownies will be good for some bytemaster special sharedrop in the future, but it doesn't make much sense for other crypto developers to use it.

Also, I would like to see BTS be perceived as a potential sharedrop target, which could increase its value in the eyes of potential investors.

[mint chocolate chip]

Don't worry - he can't talk me out of it

Seems I didn't express myself perfectly.
It never was the intention to "talk you out" of sharedropping onto BTS .. I rather wanted to bring additional thoughts on the table.

Heck, I would definitely profit more from being sharedropped via BTS than I would with Brownies .. but that is not the point .. it is not about throwing away money ..
it is about reaching potentially interested people... And I am not certain that every BTS holder has a clue about what is going on with rune's maker .. I would even go as far as stating that brownie.pts holders are most active in the community (and you may want to sharedrop those)

Side fact: BTS has 393,395,829 BTS UNCLAIMED right now .. why sharedrop those?

Just thoughts trying to be as objective as possible with the goal to bring something new to the table ..
nuf said

Are you sure you would definitely profit more, I would think that you are one of these top 10 brownie.pts holders so from a % standpoint I would think you likely have a much higher % of brownie.pts of the total supply than BTS of the total supply.

FYI, here's a richlist of BROWNIE.PTS
http://richlist.btsgame.org/

Guessummary:
- Total 4,479,548 brownies are distributed
- Top 10 addresses own 2,790,692 (62.30%)
- 52 addresses own over 10,000 BROWNIES.PTS
- Top 11-52 addresses account for 31.81% (1,424,990)