What is the focus of BitShares now?

[ag]

Ideally we even start with liquid markets

you seem confident. more than me.

[EstefanTT]

I've lost quite a bit over the years with the various emanations of this project. I stick with it. Maybe I have no right to comment but I want to ask one thing. Please, please don't release the new wallet if it is anything like that sad 0.9.2 and it's predecessors. If anything is designed to put people off it's something like that hideous front window. Please only release when it works and keeps working. OK many will flare up at my impudence but someone has to keep it flagged.

So far, the new wallet is up to the expectations !

https://graphene.bitshares.org

[Ben Mason]

Rather than think solely in terms of profit, think more about aligning economic incentives. I was always taken from the very beginning by bm's vision to make good behaviour more profitable than bad.

Yeah, incentives are very important part of profitability.

Profits itself are not good or bad, they are just a necessity. If the system wastes more resources than it creates or other ways brings in, it will die sooner or later.

Josh Kaufman has a good definition of business (in his great book The Personal MBA):

"Every succesful business (1) creates or provides something of value that (2) other people want or need (3) at a price they're willing to pay, in a way that (4) satisfies the purchaser's needs and expectations and (5) provides the business sufficient revenue to make it worthwhile for the owners to continue operation."

Most of the crypto developers haven't really understood this. Bytemaster is a rare exception.

Indeed!  Thanks for the link, will check it out!

[Samupaha]

Rather than think solely in terms of profit, think more about aligning economic incentives. I was always taken from the very beginning by bm's vision to make good behaviour more profitable than bad.

Yeah, incentives are very important part of profitability.

Profits itself are not good or bad, they are just a necessity. If the system wastes more resources than it creates or other ways brings in, it will die sooner or later.

Josh Kaufman has a good definition of business (in his great book The Personal MBA):

"Every succesful business (1) creates or provides something of value that (2) other people want or need (3) at a price they're willing to pay, in a way that (4) satisfies the purchaser's needs and expectations and (5) provides the business sufficient revenue to make it worthwhile for the owners to continue operation."

Most of the crypto developers haven't really understood this. Bytemaster is a rare exception.

[xeroc]

Ideally we even start with liquid markets

[Ben Mason]

I've lost quite a bit over the years with the various emanations of this project. I stick with it. Maybe I have no right to comment but I want to ask one thing. Please, please don't release the new wallet if it is anything like that sad 0.9.2 and it's predecessors. If anything is designed to put people off it's something like that hideous front window. Please only release when it works and keeps working. OK many will flare up at my impudence but someone has to keep it flagged.

Everyone has a right to comment and your criticism/plea is perfectly fair.  I'd be surprised if the devs weren't all over it for the next release.  It's very important that we smash it out the park in order to capture and retain people's attention this time.  Plus, very soon I think people are going to desperately need these tools and the easier and more stable they are, the better.

[aragoon]

I've lost quite a bit over the years with the various emanations of this project. I stick with it. Maybe I have no right to comment but I want to ask one thing. Please, please don't release the new wallet if it is anything like that sad 0.9.2 and it's predecessors. If anything is designed to put people off it's something like that hideous front window. Please only release when it works and keeps working. OK many will flare up at my impudence but someone has to keep it flagged.

[Ben Mason]

Rather than think solely in terms of profit, think more about aligning economic incentives. I was always taken from the very beginning by bm's vision to make good behaviour more profitable than bad.

What use is a theoretical profit if your standard can be debased, devalued, frozen, stolen or blown up at will?

Aligning economic incentives in a systemic manner that resists corruption will bring forth financial stability, the build up of capital, greater potential for investment.

How many people in the world would accept zero interest if they knew the money they worked for was safe? Many seem, in desperation, to be willing to pay (negative interest)  for even the illusion of safety.

Profit is not a straight forward thing to measure in today's world. What is of unquestionable value is knowing that  the rules of the game will not change without peer review of the most stringent kind.

[jakub]

Bitshares – because revolution has to be profitable!

Sometimes I am really pissed off by the general unwillingness to take more business-wise approach prevailing in this this community but when I bump into something like this^ I think to myself: it is pure genius in action happening here.

(and Samupaha you are not the genius here, he(or she?) just chose you to manifest itself)

Even if I never recover the money I invested in BTS, I will always be quite happy I was fortunate enough to play a little part in it.

[Samupaha]

It seems to me that the focus now is on becoming profitable, so that we can survive, continue to develop, and then grow strong to achieve Bitshares goals for the future.

If a potential investor asks what BitShares is about or aims to do and you answer "to be profitable", his knowledge of BitShares will be the same he had before asking that same question. That answers nothing. It's every companies' objective to be profitable.

But Bitshares is not an ordinary company, it is a DAC. So far DACs haven't been profitable but Bitshares is aiming to be the first one by offering a toolkit that revolutionizes the financial world.

Usually revolutions try to abolish the old and badly behaving institutions. But very rarely they can replace the old institutions with better ones. Bitshares might be the exception. It really has potential to bring some serious financial power to the hands of common people.

If Bitshares is going to be the revolution, it has to become profitable. Without money it can't pay for the workers and witnesses. Without money there will be no further development and no future. Most of the other cryptocurrencies are realizing this. Their developers have mostly just hoped and prayed that the price will go to the moon and they will become rich – they haven't had any meaningful plan how to make the blockchain profitable.

Bitshares – because revolution has to be profitable!

[ag]

the focus is  gateways and improvement to BitAssets in 2.0 along with development of light-wallet/apps (that can be profitable!!) that allow people to utilize the blockchain in specific ways. it may be as simple as a  bitcoin/bitshares hybrid wallet, that allows you to hold bitcoin as well as USD that has no counter-party risk, and without requiring identification. LimeWallet is doing this I think...

And the market index and oil bitAssets will have a lot of potential with 2.0 and if we can get a gateway to issue them on ripple.

[Empirical1.2]

I will attend the The 10th Global Money Transfer Summit held 15-16 September at L39, Canary Wharf, London as a speaker up against the big guys from Bitpay, Circle and Bitcoin Foundation on the panel on Sept. 16th covering crypto currency and only second year they have crypto included. This i a 1700 GBP entrance fee event meant for the CEO's and similar of major money remittance system providers like Weestern Union, Moneygram, World Remit and many more from all over the world.

What I wanted to say with this is, that your explanation is going to be added to my file as important information to clearly picture what Bitshares is all about to these influential people from all over the world. I only have a slot of some 8-10 minutes so I have to be very direct and informative, aming an impression to help Bitshares get an early footprint into the world's remittance industry.

Excellent. Good luck. If I have time I will try to think of some angles and put them in the other pitch thread you started.

[Ben Mason]

The point I'm trying to make is a serious one, not just repeated philosophical sound-bites. The principal value of Bitshares is corruption/centralisation resistance with the ability to scale. Why are investors not interested in that? Because they don't think it works? Or it won't be allowed to work? Don't want it to work? Don't get how it works? DPOS is the core  innovation that sets Bitshares apart from many other projects.  If you are saying we need institutional investors, well then I disagree. We need to earn the trust of ordinary people and if successful, new institutions will grow from that.  You might say that ordinary people don't care about corruption, they just want easy.  Well they might care more once everyone gets burned by the central banking super theft etc

What is the simplest, most compelling argument for people to use Bitshares? Bitshares can protect you, everybody, the planet from the effects of tyranny that results from the mis-use of the power of money.

All the application layers, the decentralized market, the pegged assets, smart contracts, the referral systrem etc are brilliant features. But they are worthless without the network's integrity. Good money drives out bad. Bitshares must be synonymous in people's minds with good money or eventually, people and the new corporations will be utilising a different network.....

How do we summarise what Bitshares can do?  Well it offers an efficient, secure, low-cost means of sending, recieving, executing and recording transactions. This provides the framework for buliding digital networks with a variety of features like decentralised markets, pegged assets.....etc. New features and applications are being innovated all the time. In simple terms Bitshares can be your accountant, lawyer, insurer, estate-agent, banker, government, post office, stock market etc and money. It really depends on what the user wants to do with Bitshares.

I think personally you have hit the nail right where it needs to be. When reading this, I got a more personal understanding to Bitshares so I sent it immediately to my Forbes contact for him to start preparing the material for his "best article ever" on the Bitshares 2.0 launch.

I will attend the The 10th Global Money Transfer Summit held 15-16 September at L39, Canary Wharf, London as a speaker up against the big guys from Bitpay, Circle and Bitcoin Foundation on the panel on Sept. 16th covering crypto currency and only second year they have crypto included. This i a 1700 GBP entrance fee event meant for the CEO's and similar of major money remittance system providers like Weestern Union, Moneygram, World Remit and many more from all over the world.

What I wanted to say with this is, that your explanation is going to be added to my file as important information to clearly picture what Bitshares is all about to these influential people from all over the world. I only have a slot of some 8-10 minutes so I have to be very direct and informative, aming an impression to help Bitshares get an early footprint into the world's remittance industry.

Excellent. Really good luck. I hope you smash it!

[38PTSWarrior]

Merockstar: Liondani maintains my delegate. I would say to program a delegate is too difficult for me but to run it, not.

If I could tell the people “my income is 3% and the rest goes to building wells and other good things“ it would be so much more interesting to the worldwide audience.

Then: I am flexible to move to any jurisdication on the planet, have no family and no other job.

I worked in cafes, with wheelchair people, hotels, heavy industry, telephone operator, and and and, and this is an excellent background.

Also I spend my own money and time to make flyers and introduced this topic to, yes, several thousand people in person.

And yet not enough support. Xeroc and many others stated that I should be voted in. He has a high ranking delegate but the crowd (or a few major shareholders) are not convinced.

This does not look good for outsiders.

That the people see non-performing delegates ranked higher than someone who commits his full time on spreading the word is embarassing or very negative.

Lil_jay said that I should stop the negativity but what I do is trying to wake you up and fight the negativity of the voters.

In a world without government the successful capitalists have a resposibility towards people in a difficult situation. How do you want to sell this to people while all I get is 30 dollar and in the meantime work my ass off?

We are creating a community around this smart-contract platform and the things are not as shiny in reality as they are in tv spots. When the world sees that we carry each other, they will participate. What happens to my efforts shows the opposite of all that.

[luckybit]

BitShares aims to be the market leader in crypto-backed derivatives as well as related products and services.

Store your funds in $, €, ¥, Au or Ag in a fast, easy to use, globally accessible wallet thereby offering a service that's more private and secure than a Swiss Bank Account. https://moonstone.io/

"It’s like having your savings, checking, and trading accounts in the palm of your hand, accessible from anywhere in the world – with dramatically lower fees than banks and exchanges have ever been able to offer.’

  Clear and straight to the point.

We should make sure its truly decentralized though and able to survive outside the US.

Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the government should have broad surveillance powers of Americans and private technology firms should cooperate better with intelligence agencies to help combat "evildoers."

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/08/18/jeb-bush-nsa-needs-broader-powers-to-combat-evildoers

And that is why Jeb Bush will probably be elected the next President. He knows exactly what to say and which demographics to appeal to.

By the way, the marketing lines by Empirical are perfect. We ought to use that.

[openledger]

The point I'm trying to make is a serious one, not just repeated philosophical sound-bites. The principal value of Bitshares is corruption/centralisation resistance with the ability to scale. Why are investors not interested in that? Because they don't think it works? Or it won't be allowed to work? Don't want it to work? Don't get how it works? DPOS is the core  innovation that sets Bitshares apart from many other projects.  If you are saying we need institutional investors, well then I disagree. We need to earn the trust of ordinary people and if successful, new institutions will grow from that.  You might say that ordinary people don't care about corruption, they just want easy.  Well they might care more once everyone gets burned by the central banking super theft etc

What is the simplest, most compelling argument for people to use Bitshares? Bitshares can protect you, everybody, the planet from the effects of tyranny that results from the mis-use of the power of money.

All the application layers, the decentralized market, the pegged assets, smart contracts, the referral systrem etc are brilliant features. But they are worthless without the network's integrity. Good money drives out bad. Bitshares must be synonymous in people's minds with good money or eventually, people and the new corporations will be utilising a different network.....

How do we summarise what Bitshares can do?  Well it offers an efficient, secure, low-cost means of sending, recieving, executing and recording transactions. This provides the framework for buliding digital networks with a variety of features like decentralised markets, pegged assets.....etc. New features and applications are being innovated all the time. In simple terms Bitshares can be your accountant, lawyer, insurer, estate-agent, banker, government, post office, stock market etc and money. It really depends on what the user wants to do with Bitshares.

I think personally you have hit the nail right where it needs to be. When reading this, I got a more personal understanding to Bitshares so I sent it immediately to my Forbes contact for him to start preparing the material for his "best article ever" on the Bitshares 2.0 launch.

I will attend the The 10th Global Money Transfer Summit held 15-16 September at L39, Canary Wharf, London as a speaker up against the big guys from Bitpay, Circle and Bitcoin Foundation on the panel on Sept. 16th covering crypto currency and only second year they have crypto included. This i a 1700 GBP entrance fee event meant for the CEO's and similar of major money remittance system providers like Weestern Union, Moneygram, World Remit and many more from all over the world.

What I wanted to say with this is, that your explanation is going to be added to my file as important information to clearly picture what Bitshares is all about to these influential people from all over the world. I only have a slot of some 8-10 minutes so I have to be very direct and informative, aming an impression to help Bitshares get an early footprint into the world's remittance industry.

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

wow... to Empirical..That was a very good summary of the whole situation.

Before I park myself here I was in 20 different communities and I was doing profitable trading with 20 different coins all the time.
People and Devs of this community kept me here despite all my huge losses with BTS. This community is by far the best out there and I really think that we have the less greedy people out there...

Now that's a testimony! He might be a coin whore.. but BitShares turned out to be his only true love.

Awesome.. 

[Ben Mason]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all. How? By using technology to decentralise the power of money, to codify a digital constitution with consensus forming the backbone of its governance. Why? To ensure the network is resistant to corruption over time, enabling a participant to resist theft or censorship.

I think that's the philosophical part. Most didn't give a direct and concise answer. What services does BitShares provide? What is BitShares about? If we can't explain that how can we hope to attract new people'? Ben, I appreciate your posts and although I get you, an investor won't care at all about most of what you just said.

NuShares and Nubits aims to provide stable cryptocurrency pegged to the US Dollar.

BitShares aims to The best I can come up with at the moment is BitShares is a platform which allows for development of financial tools via smartcontracts. Dunno if that's the most correct option. However, even if it is, "financial tools" is a term too relative. I think I can't explain too well but from what I've seen neither did most people in this thread. So the question here is what will those smartcontracts be based on?

Before it was easier. I could say BitShares is a decentralized exchange but now seems to be way more than that and people may have a difficult time trying to understand the concept.

The point I'm trying to make is a serious one, not just repeated philosophical sound-bites. The principal value of Bitshares is corruption/centralisation resistance with the ability to scale. Why are investors not interested in that? Because they don't think it works? Or it won't be allowed to work? Don't want it to work? Don't get how it works? DPOS is the core  innovation that sets Bitshares apart from many other projects.  If you are saying we need institutional investors, well then I disagree. We need to earn the trust of ordinary people and if successful, new institutions will grow from that.  You might say that ordinary people don't care about corruption, they just want easy.  Well they might care more once everyone gets burned by the central banking super theft etc

What is the simplest, most compelling argument for people to use Bitshares? Bitshares can protect you, everybody, the planet from the effects of tyranny that results from the mis-use of the power of money.

All the application layers, the decentralized market, the pegged assets, smart contracts, the referral systrem etc are brilliant features. But they are worthless without the network's integrity. Good money drives out bad. Bitshares must be synonymous in people's minds with good money or eventually, people and the new corporations will be utilising a different network.....

How do we summarise what Bitshares can do?  Well it offers an efficient, secure, low-cost means of sending, recieving, executing and recording transactions. This provides the framework for buliding digital networks with a variety of features like decentralised markets, pegged assets.....etc. New features and applications are being innovated all the time. In simple terms Bitshares can be your accountant, lawyer, insurer, estate-agent, banker, government, post office, stock market etc and money. It really depends on what the user wants to do with Bitshares.

[IOHKCharles]

From my point of view, I'm going to have to agree. Given the same handicap, Charles appears to be more sexy than Trump. The brilliance part will be determined once I can see how many times Charles has filed bankruptcy and recovered to run for President.

Dude that's awesome! To be fair, I've been pushed out of two companies so I just need two more. I'm not sure if those count the same as bankruptcy. I'm kinda new to the Trump recovery scale.

[unreadPostsSinceLastVisit]

BitShares aims to serve the same purposes as a bank in which one can store or spend any currency as a stable market pegged asset, allowing for built in exchanges that eliminate the risk of getting goxxed, and an alternative to major stock exchanges for betting on the value of a stock in a decentralized manner which is owned and voted on like a company by anybody who holds the underlying asset.

Martin: What these folks are telling you is true. I really wanted to try running a delegate but decided it was a bad idea because I'm in a similar life position as you, and could foresee some of the same hangups. I don't really have the time to learn the software well enough to maintain a delegate reliably, and don't really have the resources at the moment to contribute value in other ways. So rather than jump in I decided to hold off for the time being and attempt to improve myself to the point where I can be a more valuable asset to the community.

I love you for openly stating your thoughts about marijuana, the black market is a real racket right now. Luckily, four states have legalized and come November I think my state might be following suit. The price should be going way down soon so in time people won't be able to look at you and think, "gee, you're doing this shitty and yet you spend all that money on weed?"

I'm about to matriculate in an online school and I think I just scored a really good paying job. It was hell getting to this point though, but in the end because I focused on myself first I would like to think that I've put myself in a position to eventually bring more to the table.

Take some time, and take care of yourself first and foremost man. Everything will work out. I know that sounds like such a weak ass platitude at this point, but it's really the attitude you should adopt for the time being.

[giant middle finger]

Hitler said Tuesday that the government should have broad surveillance powers of Germans and private technology firms should cooperate better with intelligence agencies to help combat "evildoers."

Just a slight change for perspective. 

Isn't that what Dentist Bits are for?

[Tuck Fheman]

Hitler said Tuesday that the government should have broad surveillance powers of Germans and private technology firms should cooperate better with intelligence agencies to help combat "evildoers."

Just a slight change for perspective. 

[giant middle finger]

The answer to the OP will be obvious once 2.0 is released:

The focus will be whatever the global BTS consensus votes for.  No discussion or debate will be necessary, just full steam ahead, while bitcoin and Ethereum foundations form subcommittees eternally debating weather or not to raise the debt cieling, while wasting resources in the process.  BitShares is a coin community of action, not gridlock, with a top priority always clearly and undisputedly elected.

You may want to re-name this thread to:

I wonder what the first elected crypto community proposal in the history of planet earth will be?

[mike623317]

BitShares aims to be the market leader in crypto-backed derivatives as well as related products and services.

Store your funds in $, €, ¥, Au or Ag in a fast, easy to use, globally accessible wallet thereby offering a service that's more private and secure than a Swiss Bank Account. https://moonstone.io/

"It’s like having your savings, checking, and trading accounts in the palm of your hand, accessible from anywhere in the world – with dramatically lower fees than banks and exchanges have ever been able to offer.’

  Clear and straight to the point.

We should make sure its truly decentralized though and able to survive outside the US.

Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the government should have broad surveillance powers of Americans and private technology firms should cooperate better with intelligence agencies to help combat "evildoers."

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/08/18/jeb-bush-nsa-needs-broader-powers-to-combat-evildoers

[Tuck Fheman]

... except Tuck (cuz he's insider trading I hear lel)

shhhh. I started working on BitShares Island a little early since I was the only one that showed up for the BITN.

Trump wishes he is as sexy and brilliant as me.

From my point of view, I'm going to have to agree. Given the same handicap, Charles appears to be more sexy than Trump. The brilliance part will be determined once I can see how many times Charles has filed bankruptcy and recovered to run for President.

[IOHKCharles]

Trump wishes he is as sexy and brilliant as me.

[donkeypong]

What is bitshares. Next tell me the primary media outlet to propagate it.

We could hire you, give you a Trump wig, and get you on Fox News. Or not.

[Ander]

If you want to get more votes, I suggest you tone down the negativity and leave out the drugs. 

Marijuana is a plant. A government calling it another name doesn't make it change into something it's not. It just allows them to extort money and create slave labor with a "Drug War".

Also, right now I don't think BTS investors have charity high on their priority lists

Agreed. I think most are stuck with a loss right now ... except Tuck (cuz he's insider trading I hear lel) and maybe Ander. 

No I have a significant loss.  My trades have made some free BTS, but until BTS becomes worth a lot more the fact that I bought a bunch at 2-3 cents each has me sitting at a loss.  At least I've driven my average cost down a lot.

[IOHKCharles]

Glad to see that the love has returned with me. So james you have onever sentence. What is bitshares. Next tell me the primary media outlet to propagate it.

[James212]

So what I'm hearing is BitShares: Life, Liberty and Property. Why not chat with Glenn Beck? This seems to overlap with the Blaze network's core message.

Generally though I would favor avoiding the philosophical discussion in public and force on marketnig Bitshares like you would market Linux, or a financial tool.

 

[James212]

So what I'm hearing is BitShares: Life, Liberty and Property. Why not chat with Glenn Beck? This seems to overlap with the Blaze network's core message.

A horrible mission statment, and a bad idea.

[James212]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all. How? By using technology to decentralise the power of money, to codify a digital constitution with consensus forming the backbone of its governance. Why? To ensure the network is resistant to corruption over time, enabling a participant to resist theft or censorship.

I think that's the philosophical part. Most didn't give a direct and concise answer. What services does BitShares provide? What is BitShares about? If we can't explain that how can we hope to attract new people'? Ben, I appreciate your posts and although I get you, an investor won't care at all about most of what you just said.

NuShares and Nubits aims to provide stable cryptocurrency pegged to the US Dollar.

BitShares aims to The best I can come up with at the moment is BitShares is a platform which allows for development of financial tools via smartcontracts. Dunno if that's the most correct option. However, even if it is, "financial tools" is a term too relative. I think I can't explain too well but from what I've seen neither did most people in this thread. So the question here is what will those smartcontracts be based on?

Before it was easier. I could say BitShares is a decentralized exchange but now seems to be way more than that and people may have a difficult time trying to understand the concept.

[38PTSWarrior]

I am disappointed because we want to give everyone in the world a bank account without ID besides being a trading platform.

The social aspect is coming to short.

When I walk around I show the people the delegates in the blockexplorer. I say, this is digital gaia, poor place 102 since ages. This is yunbi and exchange and this is blackwavelabs, did nothing but are 20 positions higher then me.
That does not look good friends. That looks really fucking bad!

Also, people should be helping each other and I show since such a long time what I do.
Still there is noone other than 2-3 people who give 20 dollar.

Do you think that I will buy weed with it or so?

The Chateaux Endeavour could be reality already and make some waves in the media. Remember, I got portraid from the journalist of the year once and I can make an update maybe but for that I need to be able to go off the beaten track and need the backing of you.

We are the genesis right? :-)

Martin, I support your delegate and have voted for you. 

The problem I see is that you have posted quite a bit about how you smoke weed everyday and you are borderline homeless.  I can see this being a big turn off for people who are looking for someone they can trust with their votes.  Smoking weed and complaining everyday about not being in the 101 doesn't exactly exude professionalism.

If you want to get more votes, I suggest you tone down the negativity and leave out the drugs.  Also, right now I don't think BTS investors have charity high on their priority lists.  Focus on monetizing and growing bts.  Sorry if that seems harsh, but it's what I believe is holding you back.

Remember, "life is a resume" be careful what you put on it.

I am every day out there with a smile. Today I made new users as every day. I can see it in their eyes that they gonna download today. But they will not use a ref-link.

To say that I complain too much is not fair because it*s not true.
I wrote important things in my posting and want to provoke a change in the shareholders view.

That you kill the vibe here is really not helpful.

That I am homeless and work at the same time is a sign of professionalism.

Honesty is an important thing. Everyone here is taking drugs. I prefer to trust a good man like me who smokes weed much more than someone who doesnt and drinks for example.

I am so honest, when I find money on the ground I will ask who it belongs to.

What information do you have about blavkwavelabs. Please support me and try to answer the question, why they are on a higher position than me.

I am not a guy who works for people who judge people for smoking every day or being homeless.

Martin, I gave you a suggestion on how to get more votes.  I even said that verbaltech's funds should be distributed to you so that you would have a chance to prove yourself.  You say you want ideas on how to get more votes, when in actuality you have no intention to do anything different than what you are currently doing.

Remember I have never met you and all my opinions have been formed by posts from you on the forum.

Now you do this again. You say that I have no intentions to change what I do. This is wrong. Thanks for your support lil_jay with the verbaltech money. I voted to give it to all the listed delegates.

I have 50 million votes and a resposibility to my voters.
It is important to me to show reality.
What I dont like is fake business people who are like fish, you cannot grab them.

They have no problems, everything is perfect and the most important is not to lose this image.

This is not real. Its blinding the public.

And that this technique is successful is a shame.

[James212]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

Really Cass, you too? The Software is good & the community sucks? Are you a shareholder in CNX?

The current wallet is the hardest to use/problematic in crypto. The community has diluted themselves more times than any crypto & in the last year BTS has lost more than any crypto in the top 10.

When they started PTS the community supported them, when they said that wasn't enough, the community said OK to AGS. When BM said I'm considering moving to VOTE before 1.0, BTSX gave up 20% for a merger to become the sole focus. When AGS ran out and dilution was needed, they gave that. When they said we've formed CNX to profit from the toolkit, private blockchain opportunities and some decentralised ones that don't directly compete with BTS. The community stayed.

Look at the massive list of contributions people have made in the brownie PTS thread not expecting a reward at the time.

I really think there's a small group that have twisted reality to justify selfish actions and failures by somehow saying the community is to blame as well as trying to stereotype that community when it's made up of an incredibly diverse global group of varying backgrounds and beliefs & most excluding myself are positive contributors and shareholders.

Empirical1.2, well said. 

[lil_jay890]

I am disappointed because we want to give everyone in the world a bank account without ID besides being a trading platform.

The social aspect is coming to short.

When I walk around I show the people the delegates in the blockexplorer. I say, this is digital gaia, poor place 102 since ages. This is yunbi and exchange and this is blackwavelabs, did nothing but are 20 positions higher then me.
That does not look good friends. That looks really fucking bad!

Also, people should be helping each other and I show since such a long time what I do.
Still there is noone other than 2-3 people who give 20 dollar.

Do you think that I will buy weed with it or so?

The Chateaux Endeavour could be reality already and make some waves in the media. Remember, I got portraid from the journalist of the year once and I can make an update maybe but for that I need to be able to go off the beaten track and need the backing of you.

We are the genesis right? :-)

Martin, I support your delegate and have voted for you. 

The problem I see is that you have posted quite a bit about how you smoke weed everyday and you are borderline homeless.  I can see this being a big turn off for people who are looking for someone they can trust with their votes.  Smoking weed and complaining everyday about not being in the 101 doesn't exactly exude professionalism.

If you want to get more votes, I suggest you tone down the negativity and leave out the drugs.  Also, right now I don't think BTS investors have charity high on their priority lists.  Focus on monetizing and growing bts.  Sorry if that seems harsh, but it's what I believe is holding you back.

Remember, "life is a resume" be careful what you put on it.

I am every day out there with a smile. Today I made new users as every day. I can see it in their eyes that they gonna download today. But they will not use a ref-link.

To say that I complain too much is not fair because it*s not true.
I wrote important things in my posting and want to provoke a change in the shareholders view.

That you kill the vibe here is really not helpful.

That I am homeless and work at the same time is a sign of professionalism.

Honesty is an important thing. Everyone here is taking drugs. I prefer to trust a good man like me who smokes weed much more than someone who doesnt and drinks for example.

I am so honest, when I find money on the ground I will ask who it belongs to.

What information do you have about blavkwavelabs. Please support me and try to answer the question, why they are on a higher position than me.

I am not a guy who works for people who judge people for smoking every day or being homeless.

Martin, I gave you a suggestion on how to get more votes.  I even said that verbaltech's funds should be distributed to you so that you would have a chance to prove yourself.  You say you want ideas on how to get more votes, when in actuality you have no intention to do anything different than what you are currently doing.

Remember I have never met you and all my opinions have been formed by posts from you on the forum.

[38PTSWarrior]

I am disappointed because we want to give everyone in the world a bank account without ID besides being a trading platform.

The social aspect is coming to short.

When I walk around I show the people the delegates in the blockexplorer. I say, this is digital gaia, poor place 102 since ages. This is yunbi and exchange and this is blackwavelabs, did nothing but are 20 positions higher then me.
That does not look good friends. That looks really fucking bad!

Also, people should be helping each other and I show since such a long time what I do.
Still there is noone other than 2-3 people who give 20 dollar.

Do you think that I will buy weed with it or so?

The Chateaux Endeavour could be reality already and make some waves in the media. Remember, I got portraid from the journalist of the year once and I can make an update maybe but for that I need to be able to go off the beaten track and need the backing of you.

We are the genesis right? :-)

Martin, I support your delegate and have voted for you. 

The problem I see is that you have posted quite a bit about how you smoke weed everyday and you are borderline homeless.  I can see this being a big turn off for people who are looking for someone they can trust with their votes.  Smoking weed and complaining everyday about not being in the 101 doesn't exactly exude professionalism.

If you want to get more votes, I suggest you tone down the negativity and leave out the drugs.  Also, right now I don't think BTS investors have charity high on their priority lists.  Focus on monetizing and growing bts.  Sorry if that seems harsh, but it's what I believe is holding you back.

Remember, "life is a resume" be careful what you put on it.

I am every day out there with a smile. Today I made new users as every day. I can see it in their eyes that they gonna download today. But they will not use a ref-link.

To say that I complain too much is not fair because it*s not true.
I wrote important things in my posting and want to provoke a change in the shareholders view.

That you kill the vibe here is really not helpful.

That I am homeless and work at the same time is a sign of professionalism.

Honesty is an important thing. Everyone here is taking drugs. I prefer to trust a good man like me who smokes weed much more than someone who doesnt and drinks for example.

I am so honest, when I find money on the ground I will ask who it belongs to.

What information do you have about blavkwavelabs. Please support me and try to answer the question, why they are on a higher position than me.

I am not a guy who works for people who judge people for smoking every day or being homeless.

[IOHKCharles]

How do you make high profile connections like that?

A friend of a friend of that guy you met that one time's ex-roommate. Or you just network to the gatekeeper and make a good pitch. Or you're Charles Hoskinson. You know whatever

[CLains]

Why not chat with Glenn Beck?

How do you make high profile connections like that?

[Buck Fankers]

If you want to get more votes, I suggest you tone down the negativity and leave out the drugs. 

Marijuana is a plant. A government calling it another name doesn't make it change into something it's not. It just allows them to extort money and create slave labor with a "Drug War".

Also, right now I don't think BTS investors have charity high on their priority lists

Agreed. I think most are stuck with a loss right now ... except Tuck (cuz he's insider trading I hear lel) and maybe Ander. 

[Buck Fankers]

Because he's a Masonic shill?

Is his audience?

Maybe when he has them in a lesser magic trance.       But that's not what you're asking is it.    I have no issues with promoting BitShares to anyone no matter their belief system.  I just don't like Glenn Beck.  But I have no issues with him spending some Masonic tokens to buy BitShares. I say go for it! Maybe he'll replace that Masonic patch he wears on his sweater with a BitShares logo one day.

[lil_jay890]

I am disappointed because we want to give everyone in the world a bank account without ID besides being a trading platform.

The social aspect is coming to short.

When I walk around I show the people the delegates in the blockexplorer. I say, this is digital gaia, poor place 102 since ages. This is yunbi and exchange and this is blackwavelabs, did nothing but are 20 positions higher then me.
That does not look good friends. That looks really fucking bad!

Also, people should be helping each other and I show since such a long time what I do.
Still there is noone other than 2-3 people who give 20 dollar.

Do you think that I will buy weed with it or so?

The Chateaux Endeavour could be reality already and make some waves in the media. Remember, I got portraid from the journalist of the year once and I can make an update maybe but for that I need to be able to go off the beaten track and need the backing of you.

We are the genesis right? :-)

Martin, I support your delegate and have voted for you. 

The problem I see is that you have posted quite a bit about how you smoke weed everyday and you are borderline homeless.  I can see this being a big turn off for people who are looking for someone they can trust with their votes.  Smoking weed and complaining everyday about not being in the 101 doesn't exactly exude professionalism.

If you want to get more votes, I suggest you tone down the negativity and leave out the drugs.  Also, right now I don't think BTS investors have charity high on their priority lists.  Focus on monetizing and growing bts.  Sorry if that seems harsh, but it's what I believe is holding you back.

Remember, "life is a resume" be careful what you put on it.

[Helikopterben]

@Empirical
Nice reply, most complete up until now imo 

It seems to me that the focus now is on becoming profitable, so that we can survive, continue to develop, and then grow strong to achieve Bitshares goals for the future.

If a potential investor asks what BitShares is about or aims to do and you answer "to be profitable", his knowledge of BitShares will be the same he had before asking that same question. That answers nothing. It's every companies' objective to be profitable.

Yeah, I wasnt trying to give a full sales pitch, just summarize the present goal of the project.

Problem:  If my exchange of choice (e-trade, bitfinex, ect) disappears, then I lose all my money and assets.

Solution:  If my exchange, powered by bitshares, disappears, then I use another client to restore from a backup and recover all my money.

Identifying the core problem and solution is really quite easy.  Getting there is the hard part.

[IOHKCharles]

The Blaze is not what you want Bitshares associated with from a marketing perspective. On the other hand Life, Liberty and Property is difficult to disagree with because they are American principles and considered to be natural rights.

Generally though I would favor avoiding the philosophical discussion in public and force on marketnig Bitshares like you would market Linux, or a financial tool.

So what do you hope will be different or better about Bitshares 2 than Bitshares 1?

[38PTSWarrior]

I am disappointed because we want to give everyone in the world a bank account without ID besides being a trading platform.

The social aspect is coming to short.

When I walk around I show the people the delegates in the blockexplorer. I say, this is digital gaia, poor place 102 since ages. This is yunbi and exchange and this is blackwavelabs, did nothing but are 20 positions higher then me.
That does not look good friends. That looks really fucking bad!

Also, people should be helping each other and I show since such a long time what I do.
Still there is noone other than 2-3 people who give 20 dollar.

Do you think that I will buy weed with it or so?

The Chateaux Endeavour could be reality already and make some waves in the media. Remember, I got portraid from the journalist of the year once and I can make an update maybe but for that I need to be able to go off the beaten track and need the backing of you.

We are the genesis right? :-)

[Ander]

@Empirical
Nice reply, most complete up until now imo 

It seems to me that the focus now is on becoming profitable, so that we can survive, continue to develop, and then grow strong to achieve Bitshares goals for the future.

If a potential investor asks what BitShares is about or aims to do and you answer "to be profitable", his knowledge of BitShares will be the same he had before asking that same question. That answers nothing. It's every companies' objective to be profitable.

Yeah, I wasnt trying to give a full sales pitch, just summarize the present goal of the project.

[luckybit]

So what I'm hearing is BitShares: Life, Liberty and Property. Why not chat with Glenn Beck? This seems to overlap with the Blaze network's core message.

The Blaze is not what you want Bitshares associated with from a marketing perspective. On the other hand Life, Liberty and Property is difficult to disagree with because they are American principles and considered to be natural rights.

Generally though I would favor avoiding the philosophical discussion in public and force on marketnig Bitshares like you would market Linux, or a financial tool.

[Akado]

@Empirical
Nice reply, most complete up until now imo 

It seems to me that the focus now is on becoming profitable, so that we can survive, continue to develop, and then grow strong to achieve Bitshares goals for the future.

If a potential investor asks what BitShares is about or aims to do and you answer "to be profitable", his knowledge of BitShares will be the same he had before asking that same question. That answers nothing. It's every companies' objective to be profitable.

[IOHKCharles]

Because he's a Masonic shill?

Is his audience?

[Ander]

It seems to me that the focus now is on becoming profitable, so that we can survive, continue to develop, and then grow strong to achieve Bitshares goals for the future.

[Buck Fankers]

Why not chat with Glenn Beck?

Because he's a Masonic shill? 

[Empirical1.2]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all. How? By using technology to decentralise the power of money, to codify a digital constitution with consensus forming the backbone of its governance. Why? To ensure the network is resistant to corruption over time, enabling a participant to resist theft or censorship.

I think that's the philosophical part. Most didn't give a direct and concise answer. What services does BitShares provide? What is BitShares about? If we can't explain that how can we hope to attract new people'? Ben, I appreciate your posts and although I get you, an investor won't care at all about most of what you just said.

NuShares and Nubits aims to provide stable cryptocurrency pegged to the US Dollar.

BitShares aims to The best I can come up with at the moment is BitShares is a platform which allows for development of financial tools via smartcontracts. Dunno if that's the most correct option. However, even if it is, "financial tools" is a term too relative. I think I can't explain too well but from what I've seen neither did most people in this thread. So the question here is what will those smartcontracts be based on?

Before it was easier. I could say BitShares is a decentralized exchange but now seems to be way more than that and people may have a difficult time trying to understand the concept.

BitShares focus right now should be pretty much on exactly what the developers are doing. They've developed a pretty comprehensive BTS 2.0 package and partnerships. The only thing I would advise is to limit any major changes or participation in other non BTS partnerships till 2.0 is released and often reiterate their commitment to BitShares for the medium term to maximise market confidence.

Regards 'BitShares Aims to...'

BitShares aims to be the market leader in crypto-backed derivatives as well as related products and services.

Store your funds in $, €, ¥, Au or Ag in a fast, easy to use, globally accessible wallet thereby offering a service that's more private and secure than a Swiss Bank Account. https://moonstone.io/

Trade shares, indices, currencies and commodities on a fast, reliable decentralised exchange thereby competing with notoriously risky centralised exchanges  http://www.coindesk.com/45-percent-of-bitcoin-exchanges-fail-study-finds/ & perhaps even one day making the NYSE obsolete http://www.maxkeiser.com/2015/07/bitshares-nyse/

Spend funds easily online or via the NanoCard, a versatile, global & anonymous BitAsset enabled debit card
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2015/07/16/is-the-nanocard-bitcoins-killer-app-can-it-transform-the-global-remittance-market/

’A new generation of 2.0 coins – ‘SmartCoins’ – will become available as funding options for the NanoCard over the coming months. It means users will be able store their funds in cryptocurrencies pegged to the Euro, US dollar, Chinese Renminbi (CNY), silver as well as gold – and converted only at the time of use.

"It’s like having your savings, checking, and trading accounts in the palm of your hand, accessible from anywhere in the world – with dramatically lower fees than banks and exchanges have ever been able to offer.’

[IOHKCharles]

So what I'm hearing is BitShares: Life, Liberty and Property. Why not chat with Glenn Beck? This seems to overlap with the Blaze network's core message.

[Akado]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all. How? By using technology to decentralise the power of money, to codify a digital constitution with consensus forming the backbone of its governance. Why? To ensure the network is resistant to corruption over time, enabling a participant to resist theft or censorship.

I think that's the philosophical part. Most didn't give a direct and concise answer. What services does BitShares provide? What is BitShares about? If we can't explain that how can we hope to attract new people'? Ben, I appreciate your posts and although I get you, an investor won't care at all about most of what you just said.

NuShares and Nubits aims to provide stable cryptocurrency pegged to the US Dollar.

BitShares aims to The best I can come up with at the moment is BitShares is a platform which allows for development of financial tools via smartcontracts. Dunno if that's the most correct option. However, even if it is, "financial tools" is a term too relative. I think I can't explain too well but from what I've seen neither did most people in this thread. So the question here is what will those smartcontracts be based on?

Before it was easier. I could say BitShares is a decentralized exchange but now seems to be way more than that and people may have a difficult time trying to understand the concept.

[CLains]

The focus is still on being a decentralized exchange. The update is to increase long-term autonomy, decentralization, scalability and customization.

With regard to the dispute, it is a fallacy to derive personal characteristics from political/economical views.

[Empirical1.2]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

IIRC cass you also invested in the ETHER IPO & then you immediately dumped all of it for a 1000% profit.
I think that's absolutely fine, but from their communities perspective you might be the epitome of someone who didn't contribute at all and was only in it for the money. (When obviously we know from you great contributions to crypto through BTS that's not the case at all and that would be an unfair judgement.)

[mf-tzo]

wow... to Empirical..That was a very good summary of the whole situation.

Before I park myself here I was in 20 different communities and I was doing profitable trading with 20 different coins all the time.
People and Devs of this community kept me here despite all my huge losses with BTS. This community is by far the best out there and I really think that we have the less greedy people out there...

[Empirical1.2]

It can all come together in 2.0 though, we should get great software that can be promoted by our great community.

 

I think the community is great and I think the developers have done a great job with 2.0 too. I really think it could all come together.

[nomoreheroes7]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

Really Cass, you too? The Software is good & the community sucks? Are you a shareholder in CNX?

The current wallet is the hardest to use in crypto & the community has diluted themselves more than any other in crypto & BTS has underperformed more than any crypto in the top 10 the last 12 months

When they started PTS the community supported them, when they said that wasn't enough, the community said OK to AGS. When BM said I'm considering moving to VOTE before 1.0, BTSX gave up 20% for a merger to become the sole focus. When AGS ran out and dilution was needed, they gave that. When they said we've formed CNX to profit from the toolkit, private blockchain opportunities and some decentralised ones that don't directly compete with BTS. The community stayed.

Look at the massive list of contributions people have made in the brownie PTS thread not expecting a reward at the time.

I really think there's a small group that have twisted reality to justify selfish actions and failures by somehow saying the community is too blame as well as trying to stereotype that community when it's made up of an incredibly diverse global group of varying backgrounds and beliefs.

I disagree so much.  The community is strong, but the 0.x version software wasnt good, and that is one of the main things that hurt us.  That and changing things too many times and diluting.

It can all come together in 2.0 though, we should get great software that can be promoted by our great community.

 

Ridiculous that anyone can complain about the BTS community at this point. Obviously some people are just in it for the money but where won't you find people like that? And who says there's anything inherently wrong about being profit-motivated, anyway?

Can't judge an entire group of people based on the thoughts/actions of a few.

[Ander]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

I disagree so much.  The community is strong, but the 0.x version software wasnt good, and that is one of the main things that hurt us.  That and changing things too many times and diluting.

It can all come together in 2.0 though, we should get great software that can be promoted by our great community.

[Empirical1.2]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

Really Cass, you too? The Software is good & the community sucks? Are you a shareholder in CNX?

The current wallet is the hardest to use/problematic in crypto. The community has diluted themselves more times than any crypto & in the last year BTS has lost more than any crypto in the top 10.

When they started PTS the community supported them, when they said that wasn't enough, the community said OK to AGS. When BM said I'm considering moving to VOTE before 1.0, BTSX gave up 20% for a merger to become the sole focus. When AGS ran out and dilution was needed, they gave that. When they said we've formed CNX to profit from the toolkit, private blockchain opportunities and some decentralised ones that don't directly compete with BTS. The community stayed.

Look at the massive list of contributions people have made in the brownie PTS thread not expecting a reward at the time.

I really think there's a small group that have twisted reality to justify selfish actions and failures by somehow saying the community is to blame as well as trying to stereotype that community when it's made up of an incredibly diverse global group of varying backgrounds and beliefs & most excluding myself are positive contributors and shareholders.

[betax]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

-10%..

I feel that you missjudge this community...The ones who were just in for the money dumped their BTS a year ago at very high levels and never came back..
The ones that still post here after all the dumping are people who do care but cashed their profits or the ones that believed all the hype and didn't dump when they should have done like the rest. It is absolutely normal many people to be frustrated because day by day for the past year they see their money dissapear and constantly make one loss after the other because of the unstoppable dumping..And despite all their losses they are still here..If they didn't care they would have already moved to somewhere else.. It is very easy to judge others of greediness when you cashed your profits already..

What pisses me off is that most people that made their huge profits out of BTS in reality it appears that they moved to the next thing and never really cared about BTS. Otherwise they would support it by at least buying back at these levels..So we are just left here with the hope of attracting new people in the future..anyways..

 

[mf-tzo]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

-10%..

I feel that you missjudge this community...The ones who were just in for the money dumped their BTS a year ago at very high levels and never came back..
The ones that still post here after all the dumping are people who do care but cashed their profits or the ones that believed all the hype and didn't dump when they should have done like the rest. It is absolutely normal many people to be frustrated because day by day for the past year they see their money dissapear and constantly make one loss after the other because of the unstoppable dumping..And despite all their losses they are still here..If they didn't care they would have already moved to somewhere else.. It is very easy to judge others of greediness when you cashed your profits already..

What pisses me off is that most people that made their huge profits out of BTS in reality it appears that they moved to the next thing and never really cared about BTS. Otherwise they would support it by at least buying back at these levels..So we are just left here with the hope of attracting new people in the future..anyways..

[cass]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

 

[Tuck Fheman]

If you were to ask a Bitcoiner ...

That's like asking a politician if you should vote (or insert better analogy, I'm on 3 hrs sleep).

[speedy]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all.

If you were to ask a Bitcoiner, they would say Bitcoin is already doing that. So in what way does BitShares secure Life, Liberty etc and Bitcoin doesnt?

[puppies]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all. How? By using technology to decentralise the power of money, to codify a digital constitution with consensus forming the backbone of its governance. Why? To ensure the network is resistant to corruption over time, enabling a participant to resist theft or censorship.

The features and products will provide utility and ease use of use, but this is secondary to the core purpose.

Adoption may come from the latter but the resilience of the network will come from absolute dedication and delivery of the former.

Resisting corruption over time is the principal benefit of crypto given that corruption is the most significant factor in shaping the world around us.

This community has been amazingly resiliant, innovative and hard working.  All voices have the opportunity to be heard. We need a broad spectrum of views. Courtesy and patience should be front and centre in how we continue to conduct our interactions.

If Bitshares is made a success by those seeking profit or those seeking to change the world, it matters not. As long as the system is built to uphold and safeguard its original purpose, initial personal profit will become insignificant compared to the benefits to humanity over the course of a thousand years.  If the vision of Bitshares is realised "well then we'll have something we've never had before, a 'planet' of our own."

Imagine a world where innovation could not be stifled.

  Yes.  Very well said

[seocuenta]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

[Buck Fankers]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all.

And to defeat the Espheni. 

[Thom]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all. How? By using technology to decentralise the power of money, to codify a digital constitution with consensus forming the backbone of its governance. Why? To ensure the network is resistant to corruption over time, enabling a participant to resist theft or censorship.

The features and products will provide utility and ease use of use, but this is secondary to the core purpose.

Adoption may come from the latter but the resilience of the network will come from absolute dedication and delivery of the former.

Resisting corruption over time is the principal benefit of crypto given that corruption is the most significant factor in shaping the world around us.

This community has been amazingly resiliant, innovative and hard working.  All voices have the opportunity to be heard. We need a broad spectrum of views. Courtesy and patience should be front and centre in how we continue to conduct our interactions.

If Bitshares is made a success by those seeking profit or those seeking to change the world, it matters not. As long as the system is built to uphold and safeguard its original purpose, initial personal profit will become insignificant compared to the benefits to humanity over the course of a thousand years.  If the vision of Bitshares is realised "well then we'll have something we've never had before, a 'planet' of our own."

Imagine a world where innovation could not be stifled.

 

Yet again you hit it out of the park Ben. Well said!

[Ben Mason]

The purpose of Bitshares is to secure life, liberty and property for all. How? By using technology to decentralise the power of money, to codify a digital constitution with consensus forming the backbone of its governance. Why? To ensure the network is resistant to corruption over time, enabling a participant to resist theft or censorship.

The features and products will provide utility and ease use of use, but this is secondary to the core purpose.

Adoption may come from the latter but the resilience of the network will come from absolute dedication and delivery of the former.

Resisting corruption over time is the principal benefit of crypto given that corruption is the most significant factor in shaping the world around us.

This community has been amazingly resiliant, innovative and hard working.  All voices have the opportunity to be heard. We need a broad spectrum of views. Courtesy and patience should be front and centre in how we continue to conduct our interactions.

If Bitshares is made a success by those seeking profit or those seeking to change the world, it matters not. As long as the system is built to uphold and safeguard its original purpose, initial personal profit will become insignificant compared to the benefits to humanity over the course of a thousand years.  If the vision of Bitshares is realised "well then we'll have something we've never had before, a 'planet' of our own."

Imagine a world where innovation could not be stifled.

[Tuck Fheman]

... but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

Have you posted here? :  https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,17354.0.html

If not, do so. In no time you'll be doing this:



BTW, I completely disagree with your above sentiment. However, I can understand your frustration given the circumstances you've outlined in other threads. Keep your chin up and have faith! 

[DMo09]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

Be careful not to make assumptions about the many based on your experience with few.  It sounds like your expectations were let down somehow and now you are now projecting your frustrations.

[BunkerChainLabs-DataSecurityNode]

I think too often we get caught up in talking about various features and that is where you lose people... because almost every feature aside from maybe the affiliate program requires some kind of background understanding/knowledge of crypto and/or BitShares.

Here is where the messaging needs to focus I think.

BitShares is a platform for high speed, secure, globally decentralized marketplace where new apps and markets can be launched similar to the way apps for your Apple iPhone are made available through their platform. The difference is, it doesn't belong to one company, it belongs to anybody who is a holder of 'bitshares'.

Noticed I said nothing about crypto.. we got to stop that.. we got to stop mentioning 'like bitcoin'.. if someone asks because thats there background.. sure.. but the OP is more concerned about the messaging at large from what I understood.

Essentially I am saying the medium is still the message. The platform is the focus in 2.0 and it should remain so.

All other elements that people bring to BitShares in terms of what can be done on the BitShares platform will be for them to do.. not for BitShares itself.

My 2 brownies.

[luckybit]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

While I might fit the above profile, the vast majority of this community have experienced major losses but have remained supporters for nearly two years and looking at Brownie PTS have gone above and beyond in their contributions expecting very little in return. I would say you have one of the most generous, committed communities and I think it says a lot that you think so little of them Riverhead.

I don't know how anyone can be critical of the community. This is one of the best, most welcoming, more innovative communities in the whole space. What community is better doing more right now?

Certainly not Bitcoin. Bitcoin can't even make big decisions about the max block size. Also Bitcoin is being taken over by mysterious VCs, Wall Street and others, not that I have anything wrong with these people but the VC Wall Street crowd isn't as open minded, willing to experiment, and if you're not from their background they don't invite you to the events or even want to deal with you.

I'd say while the Bitshares community has had it's failures, such as Truthcoin, or other collaboration fails like MyMindShare, it also had it's successes. People stick with Bytemaster and team because of the constant innovation and technical programming ability. Other communities do not have the people capable of creating Bitshares 2.0 or they'd have come up with it first.

I think a priority for us, a first order priority, should be to increase volume dramatically for Bitshares once Bitshares 2.0 is released. Bitshares 2.0 can support as much volume as we can throw at it and we should fully take advantage of that by encouraging as much volume as possible knowing that other technologies can't take the same volume. Bitshares 2.0 can find a niche in doing things that can only be done with DPoS 2.0, and the 100,000 transactions per second.

I would also say if there is growth, if the market cap does improve, then much more effort should go into finding top programming talent. There should be people right now scanning the fields, looking to find talent, looking to recruit, so that when the volume does go up these people can be approached. A mailing list would work just fine to recruit talent and keep them in the wings for when Bitshares 2.0 can afford them.

[luckybit]

Does Bitshares currently have a mission statement? Or some notion of its values and goals. Perhaps a constitution? It might be a really good community building exercise to do given the upcoming release of Bitshares 2. Maybe develop a list of questions and do a survey of the community.

Bitshares is like a business or cooperative. A mission statement should be ratified by the delegates but I would avoid anything too detailed because you don't want to upset potential customers/members with too much rhetoric or ideology. Less is more, like don't be evil.

I think the main issue with Bitshares and Bitshares 2.0 is at least with Bitshares 1.0 the software was very experimental, unstable, and not ready for prime time. Bitshares 2.0 is preparing to be ready for prime time, it can scale, if it is stable, if it has the capabilities being marketed, then the market cap can easily go into the billions of dollars.

Plenty of opportunities for growth in the developing world where they don't have access to anything like Bitshares, or Greece where they don't have a functioning economy and the idea of replacing the Euro with Bitcoin was ridiculous but having Bitshares 2.0 in Greece would make a lot more sense.

I think for marketing the focus could be just on getting Bitshares on ATMs so people can for example buy UIA's from an ATM machine. Once we get to that point then the UIA's can market Bitshares without direct marketing effort. It will be great if I could go to an ATM, buy some Starbucks rewards on, load it into my smart phone, and have it be just like as if I took out cash.

In the developing world, or even in the developed world, the big feature to bring in mass adoption would be UIA's or assets which pay dividends. People do not trust banks even in the developed world, and there aren't a lot of places where people can get 5%-10% on their money year to year, yet with Bitshares anyone in the world should be able to have the opportunity to access that while today you can't even open an account with certain people if you're not already a big player.

So due to inflation, people want to take their cash out of banks. Due to currency manipulation, controls or other reasons, people don't want to store their wealth as cash.

[VoR0220]

The community has its good sides and it has its downsides. I haven't been contributing to the code like I promised I would because something came up for a project I've been working on for a long time. You may very well see me eventually and I intend to contribute some of the UI designs I intended to once this first step of the project is done. If only there were 48 hours in a day, right?

[Empirical1.2]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

While I might fit the above profile, the vast majority of this community have experienced major losses but have remained supporters for nearly two years and looking at Brownie PTS have gone above and beyond in their contributions expecting very little in return. I would say you have one of the most generous, committed communities and I think it says a lot that you think so little of them Riverhead. 

[Riverhead]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

 

[Helikopterben]

I hope the focus will be on bitAssets first and foremost with 2.0 - a working system that rivals traditional exchanges.  The initial plan to fix everything under the sun (MPAs, UIAs, vote, dns, music, ect, ect, ect) didn't happen and as a result, nothing got fixed.  If the devs can get a sound solid chain focused on bitAssets working with liquidty entering the system to generate revenue, then bitshares will be well on its way.  Bitassets alone have $trillions in potential.  That alone will provide the resources needed to get other projects off the ground. 

[38PTSWarrior]

I have to tell the people that bytemaster and his philosophy is good, also the software, but that the community is mostly selfish, non-charity, pennyfaces who pretend to be anarchists but are only in for the money.

[Pheonike]

"Bitshares  2.0, the red pill for Global Finance"

[speedy]

The focus is to become profitable.

The way I see this happening:
-Firing marketing delegates in 2.0
-Bond market will create more fees
-Referral marketing
-Partners such as Banx issue UIAs which trade on the blockchain thereby generating more fees.
-Slicker 2.0 wallet will bring in more users
-Wallets such as LimeWallet allow depositing BTC into BitUSD, without users having to know much about BitShares.

How about this for a constitution: "Earn more income than you consume, or die!"

[IOHKCharles]

Does Bitshares currently have a mission statement? Or some notion of its values and goals. Perhaps a constitution? It might be a really good community building exercise to do given the upcoming release of Bitshares 2. Maybe develop a list of questions and do a survey of the community.

[Akado]

So, as we've seen throughout the history of BitShares, some things worked out, some didn't. We had some problems with keyhotee, marketing, the client, lack of volume on our bitAssets and the peg could be better I guess. So, what are we up to in this new phase? It sure seems to have lots of potential, but maybe we should be more clear on our objectives?

https://discuss.nubits.com/t/bitshares-org-renewal-trade-bitcoin-without-counterparty-risk/1371

I mean, the rivalry might heat things up, people might just speak without thinking but if some people don't seem to realize what's our aim, then how are we going to get more public? Sure, lots of people will use BitShares without knowing why like we've seen with all the new partners we have, but it would be really awesome to bring in more investors, however, we can't do that if our message isn't clear enough.