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  Therefore, making childporn illegal increases its price and makes it more profitable to produce which makes kidnapping and human trafficking more profitable.     

I can follow your thinking if we speak about cannabis etc. but this logic can definitely not apply here (I mean the conclusion can't be the same)....

Can you explain why it doesn't apply?
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  Therefore, making childporn illegal increases its price and makes it more profitable to produce which makes kidnapping and human trafficking more profitable.     

I can follow your thinking if we speak about cannabis etc. but this logic can definitely not apply here (I mean the conclusion can't be the same)....
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Some things can not be eliminated, but can be avoided as far as possible.。It's too early to talk about it.

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So there are two issues:   

1. what is the object best approach to minimize the harm to society caused by these issues
2. what is the approach that most people will subjectively believe to be the best

As a society only 1% have the time, critical thinking, and emotional maturity to recognize the "right" answer.  This means that 99% will reject the "right" answer and instead opt for something else.

If you want to get people to join the cause for freedom, you need to give them something to fear more than child porn, terrorism, and hate speech.   It is sad to say, but you must manipulate people into taking the right actions for the wrong reasons.   Unfortunately, this is how the elite justify the propaganda machine.   Many of the elite believe they are doing the "right" thing and thus feel morally justified in manipulating the masses to vote against their own best interest. 

So this leaves us in the tough spot of having to find reasons the average man can get behind for supporting free speech. 

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First they came for the Child Pornography, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not into child porn.
Then they came for the Terrorists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Terrorist.
Then they came for the Hate Speech, and I did not speak out—
Because I did not hate.
Then they came for me—and it was illegal to speak out for me.

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Some things can not be eliminated, but can be avoided as far as possible.。It's too early to talk about it.

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How is child porn handled in a decentralized DNS world? How are terrorists handled? Hate groups?

I only ask this because these are the obvious touch points for why they talk about controlling the internet. So with the alternative.. how do we handle these things better? How does a decentralized DNS maintain the internet as a tool and not become weaponized?

Terrorists are the result of government oppression, eliminate the government interference and you eliminate the terrorism.   Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die in a car accident than a terrorist attack. 
Child porn is like money laundering,  moving money isn't the crime, it is stealing it in the first place.   In other words, stop kidnapping and child abuse which happen outside the internet and you stop the real crimes.   If you want to remove the ECONOMIC incentive to generate NEW child porn, then you should make existing child porn freely available to undercut the market.     I do not like child porn, but I hate state violence more.   I do not like drugs, but am smart enough to know that making them illegal only INCREASES the market price of drugs and thus incentive the market to produce.   Therefore, making childporn illegal increases its price and makes it more profitable to produce which makes kidnapping and human trafficking more profitable.     

Hater's going to hate.   Those that hate the hate groups and wish to deny them free speech are a bigger threat than the hate groups themselves.   You fight hate groups with love, not with violence which only fuels their hate.

At the end of the day the "solutions" magnify the "problems" they try to solve by initiating force, restricting supply, preventing the free market from working, and increasing the profit for those who do the real crimes.   You do not FIX social issues with violence, you just introduce more problems.   

The challenge is that 99% of people feel compelled to violently resist and control other people.  99% of people are AFRAID of what would happen if they respond in love rather than violence and control. 

If there is to be FILTERING of internet content it should be up to individual PRIVATE businesses to decide, not mandated via state violence.   Think something like parental controls.   Market forces will tend to relegate those kinds of websites to dark corners where normal people never have to look at them.

So the answer to the decentralized internet is to take away the incentives for these things to happen is what you are proposing.

These are important questions to answer in perception... this is why I am pressing for answers. As you have said before, it requires political will to secure. Can the average person get behind these ideas and still 'feel' morally aligned to do so? Is it going to be a better 'selling' option than the centralized one we see today and taking greater form?

If taking away the incentives is what will make it work, than how can that be accomplished? Do we literally create a "Sicko Squad" that does nothing but find child porn all day and duplicate it?

Terrorists are on a whole other level and nothing we can do about in terms of the economic situations.. however, how do we prevent from being viewed as a conduit for such?

I agree that a parental controls like way to handle undesirable content is the way to go in regards to haters.

These other matters though I don't think has yet been presented in a way that masses would be 'sold' on as a better way to do the internet.

This is the crux of my questioning.
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How is child porn handled in a decentralized DNS world? How are terrorists handled? Hate groups?

I only ask this because these are the obvious touch points for why they talk about controlling the internet. So with the alternative.. how do we handle these things better? How does a decentralized DNS maintain the internet as a tool and not become weaponized?

Terrorists are the result of government oppression, eliminate the government interference and you eliminate the terrorism.   Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die in a car accident than a terrorist attack. 
Child porn is like money laundering,  moving money isn't the crime, it is stealing it in the first place.   In other words, stop kidnapping and child abuse which happen outside the internet and you stop the real crimes.   If you want to remove the ECONOMIC incentive to generate NEW child porn, then you should make existing child porn freely available to undercut the market.     I do not like child porn, but I hate state violence more.   I do not like drugs, but am smart enough to know that making them illegal only INCREASES the market price of drugs and thus incentive the market to produce.   Therefore, making childporn illegal increases its price and makes it more profitable to produce which makes kidnapping and human trafficking more profitable.     

Hater's going to hate.   Those that hate the hate groups and wish to deny them free speech are a bigger threat than the hate groups themselves.   You fight hate groups with love, not with violence which only fuels their hate.

At the end of the day the "solutions" magnify the "problems" they try to solve by initiating force, restricting supply, preventing the free market from working, and increasing the profit for those who do the real crimes.   You do not FIX social issues with violence, you just introduce more problems.   

The challenge is that 99% of people feel compelled to violently resist and control other people.  99% of people are AFRAID of what would happen if they respond in love rather than violence and control. 

If there is to be FILTERING of internet content it should be up to individual PRIVATE businesses to decide, not mandated via state violence.   Think something like parental controls.   Market forces will tend to relegate those kinds of websites to dark corners where normal people never have to look at them.
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How is child porn handled in a decentralized DNS world? How are terrorists handled? Hate groups?

I only ask this because these are the obvious touch points for why they talk about controlling the internet. So with the alternative.. how do we handle these things better? How does a decentralized DNS maintain the internet as a tool and not become weaponized?

Terrorists are the result of government oppression, eliminate the government interference and you eliminate the terrorism.   Statistically speaking, you are more likely to die in a car accident than a terrorist attack. 
Child porn is like money laundering,  moving money isn't the crime, it is stealing it in the first place.   In other words, stop kidnapping and child abuse which happen outside the internet and you stop the real crimes.   If you want to remove the ECONOMIC incentive to generate NEW child porn, then you should make existing child porn freely available to undercut the market.     I do not like child porn, but I hate state violence more.   I do not like drugs, but am smart enough to know that making them illegal only INCREASES the market price of drugs and thus incentive the market to produce.   Therefore, making childporn illegal increases its price and makes it more profitable to produce which makes kidnapping and human trafficking more profitable.     

Hater's going to hate.   Those that hate the hate groups and wish to deny them free speech are a bigger threat than the hate groups themselves.   You fight hate groups with love, not with violence which only fuels their hate.

At the end of the day the "solutions" magnify the "problems" they try to solve by initiating force, restricting supply, preventing the free market from working, and increasing the profit for those who do the real crimes.   You do not FIX social issues with violence, you just introduce more problems.   

The challenge is that 99% of people feel compelled to violently resist and control other people.  99% of people are AFRAID of what would happen if they respond in love rather than violence and control. 

If there is to be FILTERING of internet content it should be up to individual PRIVATE businesses to decide, not mandated via state violence.   Think something like parental controls.   Market forces will tend to relegate those kinds of websites to dark corners where normal people never have to look at them.
 
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I don't think that's the right question. Might as well ask how we make sure knives are only used for good and not evil. These things are just tools. You have to take the good with the bad. It's the person that weelds the tool and their intent that impact the world for the better or the worse.

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How is child porn handled in a decentralized DNS world? How are terrorists handled? Hate groups?

I only ask this because these are the obvious touch points for why they talk about controlling the internet. So with the alternative.. how do we handle these things better? How does a decentralized DNS maintain the internet as a tool and not become weaponized?

I don't think that's the right question. Might as well ask how we make sure knives are only used for good and not evil. These things are just tools. You have to take the good with the bad. It's the person that weelds the tool and their intent that impact the world for the better or the worse.


So you are saying in a decentralized internet, exploitation of those who cannot protect themselves should just be 'hey.. good with the bad'?

All you are going to end up with is better tools  that are weaponized for such purposes. To put it in bold abstract terms. Look Satan, I made an even sharper pitchfork for you to use.

Further to this... masses who have a moral imperative to protect the weak from those that will exploit them would in a heartbeat give up whatever perceived benefit a decentralized internet has to a centralized authority if they think it means saving lives.. saving children... protecting our humanity over our perception of 'rights'.

So what exactly IS the right question then if not this? Because you will NEVER have a decentralized internet where the world turns into a carpet to be walked all over as you have stated for the 'good with the bad'.

This needs a solution... not rhetoric.
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How is child porn handled in a decentralized DNS world? How are terrorists handled? Hate groups?

I only ask this because these are the obvious touch points for why they talk about controlling the internet. So with the alternative.. how do we handle these things better? How does a decentralized DNS maintain the internet as a tool and not become weaponized?

I don't think that's the right question. Might as well ask how we make sure knives are only used for good and not evil. These things are just tools. You have to take the good with the bad. It's the person that weelds the tool and their intent that impact the world for the better or the worse.

That's also true of blockchain technology. We may try to devise procedures and systems of checks and balances but in the end it will be people's intentions that win the day regarding the impact it will have. It's not hard to see how total transparency would be great to hold public officials responsible for how they vote and what they spend, but that same power can be used to know everything citizens spend their money on determine what they are planning, making it much easier to stop them before they act to carry out those plans.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution thought they codified the "technology" to constrain the power of government, but later conceded that it wouldn't work unless the people were informed and vigilant. Some were, most weren't. I think we can say the same thing about our efforts.
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How is child porn handled in a decentralized DNS world? How are terrorists handled? Hate groups?

I only ask this because these are the obvious touch points for why they talk about controlling the internet. So with the alternative.. how do we handle these things better? How does a decentralized DNS maintain the internet as a tool and not become weaponized?

in the name of terrorism(9/11),corruption, etc. they will enslave us with our permission....

PS even if you find solutions for all of these problems nobody will expose your ideas to the public/masses.... their ideas are the "best" for a reason! 


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How is child porn handled in a decentralized DNS world? How are terrorists handled? Hate groups?

I only ask this because these are the obvious touch points for why they talk about controlling the internet. So with the alternative.. how do we handle these things better? How does a decentralized DNS maintain the internet as a tool and not become weaponized?
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Go tell that to usa which forced china to start censoring, the world is following chinas footsteps. If usa simply stop the cyber attacks this would go away, We are not solving the root problem by applying a hack howver, although the hack would work at the expense of innovation.

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