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This video will bring you up to speed on the CH, DL relationship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WGQmWcrbs

but who's who?

Family Guy: BM
Chicken: Charles
Ice cream seller: Stan

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Would you expect anything less? :)

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This video will bring you up to speed on the CH, DL relationship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WGQmWcrbs

What an epic battle!  You had me when it got to the scene from Back to the Future!
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This video will bring you up to speed on the CH, DL relationship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4WGQmWcrbs

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Who is Charles?
It's Charles Hoskinson - one of the founders of BitShares who helped to bootstrap the company and arranged the first investors from China.
He couldn't find a common ground with the other founders (Dan Larimer aka bytemaster and Stan Larimer) and left BitShares at a very early stage.
Then he helped to bootstrap Ethereum.

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Thanks guys for the replies. I'll go through them and have some followup questions.

Oh wow. Did Charles just give thanks to a group of individuals that included bm?  Nice! That is what i call a step in the right direction.  @bytemaster, thanks for being open to helping him.  This is how strained relations are soothed.

Good stuff, good stuff.
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Thanks guys for the replies. I'll go through them and have some followup questions.

Oh wow. Did Charles just give thanks to a group of individuals that included bm?  Nice! That is what i call a step in the right direction.  @bytemaster, thanks for being open to helping him.  This is how strained relations are soothed.

Good stuff, good stuff.
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Thanks guys for the replies. I'll go through them and have some followup questions.

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How many developers are actively working on the protocol? Where are they located and what is their stake in the project?
   
     Four developers are actively working on the protocol  (Ben, Eric, Dan N and Dan L), located in Virginia, with a combined stake of less than 4%
     Five developers are actively working on GUI / Utilities for the wallet.  (James, SVK, Valentine, Cass, Xeroc) located in FL, VA, Germany.
     
How about Vikram and Nathan?

Vikram is on a leave of absence (personal reasons).
Nathan is working on Follow My Vote

When did that leave of absence start and how long will it be for?
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The last irreversible block is the block that has been confirmed by 2/3 of all witnesses.   Currently there are 31 unique and independent witnesses.  I will define N to be 31

Is that a byzantine failure tolerance of 33% colluding nodes?
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How many developers are actively working on the protocol? Where are they located and what is their stake in the project?
   
     Four developers are actively working on the protocol  (Ben, Eric, Dan N and Dan L), located in Virginia, with a combined stake of less than 4%
     Five developers are actively working on GUI / Utilities for the wallet.  (James, SVK, Valentine, Cass, Xeroc) located in FL, VA, Germany.
     
How about Vikram and Nathan?

Vikram is on a leave of absence (personal reasons).
Nathan is working on Follow My Vote
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How many developers are actively working on the protocol? Where are they located and what is their stake in the project?
   
     Four developers are actively working on the protocol  (Ben, Eric, Dan N and Dan L), located in Virginia, with a combined stake of less than 4%
     Five developers are actively working on GUI / Utilities for the wallet.  (James, SVK, Valentine, Cass, Xeroc) located in FL, VA, Germany.
     
How about Vikram and Nathan?
« Last Edit: October 23, 2015, 09:47:02 pm by abit »
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How many developers are actively working on the protocol? Where are they located and what is their stake in the project?
   
     Four developers are actively working on the protocol  (Ben, Eric, Dan N and Dan L), located in Virginia, with a combined stake of less than 4%
     Five developers are actively working on GUI / Utilities for the wallet.  (James, SVK, Valentine, Cass, Xeroc) located in FL, VA, Germany.
     
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What is the protocol being developed in?
C++

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What development standards and methodologies are being deployed to ensure the code is high quality?
How is testing addressed? Do you have test suites and a test net?
Over 100 test scenarios and 1000+ individual checks in automated unit testing covering 90%+ of the code.
We have internal test networks and usually a public test network.  There is not currently a public test network, but there will be again soon.
We follow good design / abstraction processes to prevent memory leaks
We use doxygen to document the majority of the public facing APIs.

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Has Bitshares 2 gone through a security audit?
No

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How are upgrades to the protocol handled? Is there an equivalent notion to BIPs from bitcoin? How can I propose new or changed code?

We have worker proposals that anyone can create.  The proposal IDs are defined on the blockchain and the specification hosted on a website provided by the potential worker.  If the worker gets stakeholder approval, their project is funded and they may submit a pull request when complete.  The pull request should include any / all hardworking changes as being conditional upon a shareholder approval.   If witnesses approve of the code, they must upgrade first.  After 2/3 of all witnesses have approved of the hard fork and are running code capable of supporting the change then the stakeholder approval is activated. 

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What license is Bitshares source code developed under? Is it compatible with the Free software foundation's notion of open source?

BitShares is licensed under a BSD-style license with one extra restriction that prevents the code from being used by any other blockchains without permission of Cryptonomex.  The code is therefore Open Source (free to read, modify, and use), but not by the standards of the Free Software Foundation.

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How are the Bitshares core developers documenting both the protocol and the source code? Is there an explicit method for how this should be done?

Currently a combination of doxygen and wiki pages.    The protocol is not currently documented in a manner suitable for standardization. 
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How do you guarantee liveness, correctness and consistency as the network changes state?
How are blockchain reorganizations addressed?
0.  The consensus state is defined as a set of transactions / operations which have abstract meaning (expected behavior)
        - the state can be derived at any time by replaying the operations in order and applying deterministic transformations.
1.  The state is defined as a set of objects.  Each object is assigned an ID that includes, type and instance information.
2.  All modifications to the state go through a central API that enforces copy-on-write, saving the pre-modified state to an undo history.
3.  Any errors that are encountered mid-validation cause automatic reversion to the prior state.
4.  Validation snapshots are made for each block, and transaction.
5.  The blockchain retains the ability to revert back to any state that has not been confirmed by 2/3's of all witnesses if/when a longer chain is discovered.
6.  Perhaps to your point, the exact representation of the network state is not part of the consensus and is seen as an implementation detail.    This means there is no global hash of the state that is included in consensus.

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Being a trading system, what prevents front running?

Users are prepared to get what they asked for when they place an order, if they get anything better then they win.  Front running can be performed by any computer between the user and the witness.  Witnesses are prevented from front running because the value of their job is greater than money they could make by front running and consistent front running by witnesses is detectable (statistically).  The combined nature of P2P broadcast and the unpredictability of which witness is next means that it is very difficult for anyone other than a witness to reliably front run. 

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What economic incentives do those promoting a correct state have for honest behavior?

They are public, earning a healthy income with high margins as a witness node operator.  Dishonest behavior will cost them in the loss of future revenue and reputation.
There is a certainty of getting caught and there is amble redundancy such that it takes collusion of 2/3 of the witnesses to actually change something. 

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Are there incentives for data relay?

Witnesses are paid by the network and their job is to include transactions.  Relay is part of that job along with running seed nodes.

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What is an anticipated rate of growth for the Bitshares blockchain per day?

This depends upon transaction volume.  In the first 10 days the blockchain has grown to be 42MB in size, 4.2 MB per day and generated transaction fees of  $76 per MB of chain. 

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How do you address forks in the network? What level of byzantine fault tolerance does the network have given a Quorum set N?

The longest blockchain built off of the "last irreversible block" is considered the best chain.
The last irreversible block is the block that has been confirmed by 2/3 of all witnesses.   Currently there are 31 unique and independent witnesses.  I will define N to be 31
Witnesses produce blocks on a deterministically shuffled schedule that guarantees that a LONE witness can only grow their blockchain by 1 block every 93 seconds on average.
A corollary to the above point is that a minority of witnesses will never be able to produce a longer chain than the majority.   Furthermore, a minority will be unable to advance the last irreversible block.
The witnesses maintain a maximum undo history of 10,000 blocks starting from the last irreversible block.  In a 60/40 network split during which 2/3 consensus is unable to be reached the 60% network can operate 11 hours without manual checkpointing.   This undo history can be expanded if necessary, but the witnesses are pro-active and can usually recover from any network issue in just a hour.  As soon as 2/3 agree the undo history resets to about 20-30 blocks.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2015, 08:35:58 pm by bytemaster »
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These Q&A's should go in an "Advanced FAQ's" section...  Very well done and thank you.

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It has come to my attention that I'm omitting mentioning Bitshares 2 in interviews. The primary reason is that I haven't spent the time on keeping up to date with Bitshares 2's development thus I figured to be fair I should create a thread to get up to speed with the help of the community. I'll post questions and you guys answer them.

Charles,
May I expand on your list to include:

Addresses and Transactions
  • Are multisignature transactions supported (BIP0011 [1])?
Bitshares 2 uses Dynamic Account Permissions [2]. 
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We introduce a new approach to permissions based upon accounts which are assigned globally unique IDs.

Under this system, it is possible to define an account that has no keys itself, but instead depends solely upon the approval of other accounts. Those other accounts can, in turn, depend upon the approval of other accounts. This process forms a hierarchy of accounts that must grant permission. Each account can change its own permissions independently of any accounts above it in the hierarchy, which is what makes the permissions dynamic.

Each account defines its permissions as a set of keys and/or other account IDs that are each assigned weights by the account holder. If the combined weight of keys and/or accounts exceeds a threshold defined by the account, then permission is granted.

The second solution is to include the partially signed transaction in the consensus state and allow accounts to publish transactions that add or remove their approval of the transaction. This simplifies the signing coordination problem, enables people to change their mind before the threshold is reached, and applies the transaction immediately upon receipt of the final approval.

[2] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0011
[1] https://bitshares.org/technology/dynamic-account-permissions/
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A very comprehensive list of questions and excellent response from ElMato!

If Charles has the answers to these questions for every project he has mentioned there is a fantastic opportunity for an industry wide report. An intense aggregation of project info.

That will be fantastic, Charles will you care to share? I have setup http://crypto20.org/ and https://github.com/Crypto20/Crypto20org it will be invaluable if some of your knowledge could be leaked there :).
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A very comprehensive list of questions and excellent response from ElMato!

If Charles has the answers to these questions for every project he has mentioned there is a fantastic opportunity for an industry wide report. An intense aggregation of project info.

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Wow .. @elmato .. comprehensive study .. you mind if I copy&paste your description into the docs?

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This is great, we should put in the wiki... Charles, elMato please ask, answer more ;)
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Charles, to be honest I don't think I have the skills to answer 5% of those questions, but they appear to be questions that would apply to any blockchain.

Just wanted to check in to see if you were aware of the unique aspects of bitshares?  1. Referal program 2. scheduled payments 3.on-chain proposed transactions, etc
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What data structures are used in the blockchain?
Blocks => transactions => operations => objects.
The blockchain state is contained in an object database that is affected by the operations.
Example objects:
  • account_object
  • asset_object
  • account_balance_object
  • ...
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class account_balance_object : public abstract_object<account_balance_object>
   {
      public:
         static const uint8_t space_id = implementation_ids;
         static const uint8_t type_id  = impl_account_balance_object_type;

         account_id_type   owner;
         asset_id_type     asset_type;
         share_type        balance;

         asset get_balance()const { return asset(balance, asset_type); }
         void  adjust_balance(const asset& delta);
   };


What is the format of the block header?
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struct block_header
   {
      digest_type                   digest()const;
      block_id_type                 previous;
      uint32_t                      block_num()const { return num_from_id(previous) + 1; }
      fc::time_point_sec            timestamp;
      witness_id_type               witness;
      checksum_type                 transaction_merkle_root;
      extensions_type               extensions;

      static uint32_t num_from_id(const block_id_type& id);
   };
What is the maximum bitshares block size?
Configurable by chain parameters.

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   struct chain_parameters
   {
      /** using a smart ref breaks the circular dependency created between operations and the fee schedule */
      smart_ref<fee_schedule> current_fees;                       ///< current schedule of fees
      uint8_t                 block_interval                      = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_BLOCK_INTERVAL; ///< interval in seconds between blocks
      uint32_t                maintenance_interval                = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAINTENANCE_INTERVAL; ///< interval in sections between blockchain maintenance events
      uint8_t                 maintenance_skip_slots              = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAINTENANCE_SKIP_SLOTS; ///< number of block_intervals to skip at maintenance time
      uint32_t                committee_proposal_review_period    = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_COMMITTEE_PROPOSAL_REVIEW_PERIOD_SEC; ///< minimum time in seconds that a proposed transaction requiring committee authority may not be signed, prior to expiration
      uint32_t                maximum_transaction_size            = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_TRANSACTION_SIZE; ///< maximum allowable size in bytes for a transaction
      uint32_t                maximum_block_size                  = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE; ///< maximum allowable size in bytes for a block
      uint32_t                maximum_time_until_expiration       = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_TIME_UNTIL_EXPIRATION; ///< maximum lifetime in seconds for transactions to be valid, before expiring
      uint32_t                maximum_proposal_lifetime           = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_PROPOSAL_LIFETIME_SEC; ///< maximum lifetime in seconds for proposed transactions to be kept, before expiring
      uint8_t                 maximum_asset_whitelist_authorities = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_ASSET_WHITELIST_AUTHORITIES; ///< maximum number of accounts which an asset may list as authorities for its whitelist OR blacklist
      uint8_t                 maximum_asset_feed_publishers       = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_ASSET_FEED_PUBLISHERS; ///< the maximum number of feed publishers for a given asset
      uint16_t                maximum_witness_count               = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_WITNESSES; ///< maximum number of active witnesses
      uint16_t                maximum_committee_count             = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_COMMITTEE; ///< maximum number of active committee_members
      uint16_t                maximum_authority_membership        = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_AUTHORITY_MEMBERSHIP; ///< largest number of keys/accounts an authority can have
      uint16_t                reserve_percent_of_fee              = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_BURN_PERCENT_OF_FEE; ///< the percentage of the network's allocation of a fee that is taken out of circulation
      uint16_t                network_percent_of_fee              = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_NETWORK_PERCENT_OF_FEE; ///< percent of transaction fees paid to network
      uint16_t                lifetime_referrer_percent_of_fee    = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_LIFETIME_REFERRER_PERCENT_OF_FEE; ///< percent of transaction fees paid to network
      uint32_t                cashback_vesting_period_seconds     = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_CASHBACK_VESTING_PERIOD_SEC; ///< time after cashback rewards are accrued before they become liquid
      share_type              cashback_vesting_threshold          = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_CASHBACK_VESTING_THRESHOLD; ///< the maximum cashback that can be received without vesting
      bool                    count_non_member_votes              = true; ///< set to false to restrict voting privlegages to member accounts
      bool                    allow_non_member_whitelists         = false; ///< true if non-member accounts may set whitelists and blacklists; false otherwise
      share_type              witness_pay_per_block               = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_WITNESS_PAY_PER_BLOCK; ///< CORE to be allocated to witnesses (per block)
      uint32_t                witness_pay_vesting_seconds         = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_WITNESS_PAY_VESTING_SECONDS; ///< vesting_seconds parameter for witness VBO's
      share_type              worker_budget_per_day               = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_WORKER_BUDGET_PER_DAY; ///< CORE to be allocated to workers (per day)
      uint16_t                max_predicate_opcode                = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_MAX_ASSERT_OPCODE; ///< predicate_opcode must be less than this number
      share_type              fee_liquidation_threshold           = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_FEE_LIQUIDATION_THRESHOLD; ///< value in CORE at which accumulated fees in blockchain-issued market assets should be liquidated
      uint16_t                accounts_per_fee_scale              = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_ACCOUNTS_PER_FEE_SCALE; ///< number of accounts between fee scalings
      uint8_t                 account_fee_scale_bitshifts         = GRAPHENE_DEFAULT_ACCOUNT_FEE_SCALE_BITSHIFTS; ///< number of times to left bitshift account registration fee at each scaling
      uint8_t                 max_authority_depth                 = GRAPHENE_MAX_SIG_CHECK_DEPTH;
      extensions_type         extensions;

      /** defined in fee_schedule.cpp */
      void validate()const;
   };

Are there any sharding mechanics currently deployed?
No

How are SPV clients handled?
No SPV clients at the moment, each full node can expose a public websocket/http api.

Does the protocol provide mechanisms for overlay protocols to interact such as OR_RETURN?
Yes, using a custom_operation.
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struct custom_operation : public base_operation
   {
      struct fee_parameters_type {
         uint64_t fee = GRAPHENE_BLOCKCHAIN_PRECISION;
         uint32_t price_per_kbyte = 10;
      };

      asset                     fee;
      account_id_type           payer;
      flat_set<account_id_type> required_auths;
      uint16_t                  id = 0;
      vector<char>              data;

      account_id_type   fee_payer()const { return payer; }
      void              validate()const;
      share_type        calculate_fee(const fee_parameters_type& k)const;
   };

How is time addressed in the blockchain? Is NTP used or some other protocol?
NTP

How do new clients bootstrap into the network?
trusted seed nodes

What is the average block time?
Current 3 seconds, configurable by chain parameters.

Is this done via a gossip protocol or through a federate relay?
Each node immediately broadcast the data it receives to its peers after validating it
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/blob/master/libraries/p2p/design.md

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What is the standard Bitshares address structure and format?
address = 'BTS'+base58(ripemd(sha512(compressed_pub)))  (checksum obviated)
But addresses are not used directly, instead you have an account (that can be controlled by one or more address, pubkey or another account).
https://bitshares.org/technology/dynamic-account-permissions/

What public key system is used? If elliptic curve, then what is the curve?
Same as Bitcoin, secp256k1.

Is there a specification for Bitshares scripting language? (assuming there is one)
No scripting

Is the scripting language turing complete?
No scripting

What transaction types are natively supported?
Transaction are composed of operations (about ~40 different types).
Example of operations are:
 * transfer_operation
 * limit_order_create_operation
 * asset_issue_operation

Full list
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/blob/master/libraries/chain/include/graphene/chain/protocol/operations.hpp

How is accounting addressed in Bitshares? Is it a Nxt style accounting model or like Bitcoin's UTXO
Each account has a finite set of balances, one for each asset type.

What is the average size in Bytes of a Bitshares transaction?
Average wire size of operations is ~30 bytes.
Average mem size of operations is ~100 bytes.
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/blob/master/programs/size_checker/main.cpp

How are transactions validated?
Each operation has a defined evaluator that checks for preconditions (do_evaluate) and modify the state (do_apply). (After signature verification)
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class transfer_evaluator : public evaluator<transfer_evaluator>
   {
      public:
         typedef transfer_operation operation_type;

         void_result do_evaluate( const transfer_operation& o );
         void_result do_apply( const transfer_operation& o );
   }


Are there any special affordances made for privacy such as using CoinJoin or a ZK-SNARK based
privacy scheme like Zerocash? If mixing is integrated at the protocl level are you using the standards set forth by the BNMCKF Mixcoin proposal

Confidential values (same as blockstream elements using the same secp256k1-zkp lib) + stealth addresses.
https://github.com/ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io/blob/master/confidential_values.md
No mixing, No CoinJoin.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2015, 04:11:13 am by ElMato »

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It has come to my attention that I'm omitting mentioning Bitshares 2 in interviews. The primary reason is that I haven't spent the time on keeping up to date with Bitshares 2's development thus I figured to be fair I should create a thread to get up to speed with the help of the community. I'll post questions and you guys answer them.

Addresses and Transactions
  • What is the standard Bitshares address structure and format?
  • What public key system is used? If elliptic curve, then what is the curve?
  • Is there a specification for Bitshares scripting language? (assuming there is one)
  • Is the scripting language turing complete?
  • What transaction types are natively supported?
  • How is accounting addressed in Bitshares? Is it a Nxt style accounting model or like Bitcoin's UTXO
  • What is the average size in Bytes of a Bitshares transaction?
  • How are transactions validated?
  • Are there any special affordances made for privacy such as using CoinJoin or a ZK-SNARK based privacy scheme like Zerocash? If mixing is integrated at the protocl level are you using the standards set forth by the BNMCKF Mixcoin proposal?

Blockchain Design
  • What data structures are used in the blockchain?
  • What is the format of the block header?
  • How do you guarantee liveness, correctness and consistency as the network changes state?
  • How are blockchain reorganizations addressed?
  • Being a trading system, what prevents front running?
  • What economic incentives do those promoting a correct state have for honest behavior?
  • Are there incentives for data relay?
  • What is an anticipated rate of growth for the Bitshares blockchain per day?
  • What is the maximum bitshares block size?
  • Are there any sharding mechanics currently deployed?
  • How are SPV clients handled?
  • Does the protocol provide mechanisms for overlay protocols to interact such as OR_RETURN?
  • How is time addressed in the blockchain? Is NTP used or some other protocol?
  • How do new clients bootstrap into the network?
  • What is the average block time? How long does it take for this block to propagate to 95 percent of the network? Is this done via a gossip protocol or through a federate relay?
  • How do you address forks in the network? What level of byzantine fault tolerance does the network have given a Quorum set N?

Development and Governance
  • How many developers are actively working on the protocol? Where are they located and what is their stake in the project?
  • What is the protocol being developed in?
  • What development standards and methodologies are being deployed to ensure the code is high quality?
  • How is testing addressed? Do you have test suites and a test net?
  • Has Bitshares 2 gone through a security audit?
  • How are upgrades to the protocol handled? Is there an equivalent notion to BIPs from bitcoin? How can I propose new or changed code?
  • What license is Bitshares source code developed under? Is it compatible with the Free software foundation's notion of open source?
  • How are the Bitshares core developers documenting both the protocol and the source code? Is there an explicit method for how this should be done?
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