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Would you Help BTS Community for Brownies?

Ya or METAFEES, either one. ;)

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Would you Help BTS Community for Brownies?

Ya or METAFEES, either one. ;)

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Lack of arbitrage is the problem, isn't it. And this 'should' solves it.

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Remind me how many brownies you have been paid thus far and how many hours you have worked  so far for bitshares without receiving compensation?
I will tell you in detail soon, thanks for asking. First I have to make sure my accounts are safe and migrated.

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Remind me how many brownies you have been paid thus far and how many hours you have worked  so far for bitshares without receiving compensation?
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I'm willing to help in any way I can.  Brownies or not.  I'm here for the cause.

I'm here to help if I can too.

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I am against paying biger projects than random community help with brownies. That would be like a STATE PAYING BIG PROJECTS. Why? Because the one holding the brownies (fuzzy?) like the state can no know in advance whether the various projects paid are actually effective (run by productive ppl and overall effective for the ecosystem). LInked issue: It is hard for the state / the brownie distributor to supervise / oberseve all the projects paid.

Instead you NEED entrepreneurial intelegence where people risk THEIR OWN MONEY.

THE PURPOSE OF BROWNIE PTS and how they can work is to pay them AFTER the fact when it is obvious whether work done has been effective for the BTS ecosystem. And this is how they always have been used up to now (accept small things like attending hangouts etc).
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We need to focus on our BTS first. Brownies can not bring value to the whole system

So you will not work for brownies and get the potential sharedrops that brownies will get (that i am currently working behind the scenes to ensure, btw).  But, luckily i still love bitshares and will personally be pushing for sharedrops on it as well :)

To those who do want to work for brownies, please let me know in this post.  Brownies have value because of those who do want to work for and share them. 
And soon i will have helped pay for a bot that will enable anyone to tip in their own dkp of choice....so im not quite sure why people who do not like brownies and act as though my paying people in brownies who would otherwise get paid nothing for their work in is a bad thing for this ecosystem.  If i was doing this in fuzzies and having people sharedrop on them instead, would it be any better? What if i had a person a trusted a great deal and let them help me distribute fuzzies?

Plus the people who own brownies alllll have undisputedly done work to earn them...and lets not forget that when bm announced brownies he did so with no promises or obligations.  So if people think i will make them LESS valuable by supporting stupid initiatives and becomming corrupt, then they likely shouldnt work for them. 
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I'm willing to help in any way I can.  Brownies or not.  I'm here for the cause.
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I am against paying biger projects than random community help with brownies. That would be like a STATE PAYING BIG PROJECTS. Why? Because the one holding the brownies (fuzzy?) like the state can no know in advance whether the various projects paid are actually effective (run by productive ppl and overall effective for the ecosystem). LInked issue: It is hard for the state / the brownie distributor to supervise / oberseve all the projects paid.

Instead you NEED entrepreneurial intelegence where people risk THEIR OWN MONEY.

THE PURPOSE OF BROWNIE PTS and how they can work is to pay them AFTER the fact when it is obvious whether work done has been effective for the BTS ecosystem. And this is how they always have been used up to now (accept small things like attending hangouts etc).
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We need to focus on our BTS first. Brownies can not bring value to the whole system
give me money, I will do...

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I am against paying biger projects than random community help with brownies. That would be like a STATE PAYING BIG PROJECTS. Why? Because the one holding the brownies (fuzzy?) like the state can no know in advance whether the various projects paid are actually effective (run by productive ppl and overall effective for the ecosystem). LInked issue: It is hard for the state / the brownie distributor to supervise / oberseve all the projects paid.

Instead you NEED entrepreneurial intelegence where people risk THEIR OWN MONEY.

THE PURPOSE OF BROWNIE PTS and how they can work is to pay them AFTER the fact when it is obvious whether work done has been effective for the BTS ecosystem. And this is how they always have been used up to now (accept small things like attending hangouts etc).
 

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I am willing to do what I can.  I don't have any volunteer ideas though, so I would need to see a list...

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What kind of pay rate are we looking at for brownies?  I believe BM was using about 100 brownies per hour of work... at current market rates that is about 500bts/hour or 2.25$/hour.

I know that there is not a lot of money to go around, but one would be better off working at McDonalds for minimum wage and just buying brownies.  They would end up with 3-4 times as many brownies for the same amount of time worked.

Well that is only if you think brownies will never get sharedropped on by really amazing projects.  I assure you I plan on advocating brownies and bts be sharedropped on by many projects in the future.  But that is only effective if I get community backing because it isn't me---it is you---who give me the power to make my advocacy effective.

By working for such a low rate of pay, you are identifying yourself as a very very special (and hard to find) demographic for project leaders....
I do not ask you to work for them if you do not want to jay, it is completely up to you.  But if you believe I am a person of my word and feel it is important to help me accomplish many future sharedrops...then you might find that working for brownies ends up paying you far more.  Maybe not...it really is up to you. 

Regardless, I cannot promise you anything other than my intentions to help for as long as I can advocate for the brownie bakers.  It is up to you to make that decision. Trust me, I don't judge on this---if I (and the other team members) had put the amount of hours into working at even mcdonalds, and never worked for bts (just sat by and watched from afar), I would be sitting on a very nice horde of bts by now...but then again, that bts would not be backed by a community who trusts the core devs so much.  So in taking that path...I would have likely hurt my own "hodlings" as well as everyone else's.  I'd also have to worry far more about the stability of a coin with far less community chops ;)

Some already have made the decision to be part of this and I personally believe brownies will be very very valuable someday...especially if its holders represent a demographic it currently represents.   :)

I get the whole sacrafice and work for equity now in hopes that the equity becomes worth much more.  I have nothing against that.  I'm just wondering if the pay will continue to be 100brownies/hour?  Will some work be paid more?

Some might be, but dont make your decision expecting it at this juncture.  There are no promises with brownies, but I am not afraid to pay people more if the work is exemplary or has strong support from the community in some way.


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What kind of pay rate are we looking at for brownies?  I believe BM was using about 100 brownies per hour of work... at current market rates that is about 500bts/hour or 2.25$/hour.

I know that there is not a lot of money to go around, but one would be better off working at McDonalds for minimum wage and just buying brownies.  They would end up with 3-4 times as many brownies for the same amount of time worked.

Well that is only if you think brownies will never get sharedropped on by really amazing projects.  I assure you I plan on advocating brownies and bts be sharedropped on by many projects in the future.  But that is only effective if I get community backing because it isn't me---it is you---who give me the power to make my advocacy effective.

By working for such a low rate of pay, you are identifying yourself as a very very special (and hard to find) demographic for project leaders....
I do not ask you to work for them if you do not want to jay, it is completely up to you.  But if you believe I am a person of my word and feel it is important to help me accomplish many future sharedrops...then you might find that working for brownies ends up paying you far more.  Maybe not...it really is up to you. 

Regardless, I cannot promise you anything other than my intentions to help for as long as I can advocate for the brownie bakers.  It is up to you to make that decision. Trust me, I don't judge on this---if I (and the other team members) had put the amount of hours into working at even mcdonalds, and never worked for bts (just sat by and watched from afar), I would be sitting on a very nice horde of bts by now...but then again, that bts would not be backed by a community who trusts the core devs so much.  So in taking that path...I would have likely hurt my own "hodlings" as well as everyone else's.  I'd also have to worry far more about the stability of a coin with far less community chops ;)

Some already have made the decision to be part of this and I personally believe brownies will be very very valuable someday...especially if its holders represent a demographic it currently represents.   :)

I get the whole sacrafice and work for equity now in hopes that the equity becomes worth much more.  I have nothing against that.  I'm just wondering if the pay will continue to be 100brownies/hour?  Will some work be paid more?

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You know I'm down for the cause, and some days i think brownie points might be the most valuable asset in my portfolio, so yes, I will do work for brownies.
As much as I can afford to anyhow... since I don't sell brownies, and I still need to eat (and these brownies aren't actually edible) ...and there are only so many hours in the day. ;)

For the record, I'll also work for any BitAsset, provided it has some measurable value.

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I like the initiative and I'm definitely willing to help.

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What kind of pay rate are we looking at for brownies?  I believe BM was using about 100 brownies per hour of work... at current market rates that is about 500bts/hour or 2.25$/hour.

I know that there is not a lot of money to go around, but one would be better off working at McDonalds for minimum wage and just buying brownies.  They would end up with 3-4 times as many brownies for the same amount of time worked.

Well that is only if you think brownies will never get sharedropped on by really amazing projects.  I assure you I plan on advocating brownies and bts be sharedropped on by many projects in the future.  But that is only effective if I get community backing because it isn't me---it is you---who give me the power to make my advocacy effective.

By working for such a low rate of pay, you are identifying yourself as a very very special (and hard to find) demographic for project leaders....
I do not ask you to work for them if you do not want to jay, it is completely up to you.  But if you believe I am a person of my word and feel it is important to help me accomplish many future sharedrops...then you might find that working for brownies ends up paying you far more.  Maybe not...it really is up to you. 

Regardless, I cannot promise you anything other than my intentions to help for as long as I can advocate for the brownie bakers.  It is up to you to make that decision. Trust me, I don't judge on this---if I (and the other team members) had put the amount of hours into working at even mcdonalds, and never worked for bts (just sat by and watched from afar), I would be sitting on a very nice horde of bts by now...but then again, that bts would not be backed by a community who trusts the core devs so much.  So in taking that path...I would have likely hurt my own "hodlings" as well as everyone else's.  I'd also have to worry far more about the stability of a coin with far less community chops ;)

Some already have made the decision to be part of this and I personally believe brownies will be very very valuable someday...especially if its holders represent a demographic it currently represents.   :)
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What kind of pay rate are we looking at for brownies?  I believe BM was using about 100 brownies per hour of work... at current market rates that is about 500bts/hour or 2.25$/hour.

I know that there is not a lot of money to go around, but one would be better off working at McDonalds for minimum wage and just buying brownies.  They would end up with 3-4 times as many brownies for the same amount of time worked.

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I'll help out... granted i'm not sure what use I can actually be

Everyone is good at something.  Just think about how you would like to help...and don't be afraid to falter.  It happens (trust me I need reminders on that as well sometimes).  But you only get better and find out more about yourself by trying :)

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I'll help out... granted i'm not sure what use I can actually be

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I am too willing to help in anyway I can... You can count on me ;)

(@fuzzy in the PM you sent it was a link to the brownie owner thread, not this one, I guess it is not on purpose :P )
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There are quite a few problems with the concept of brownies as a standalone currency, the biggest of all i see is that brownie holders are encouraged to do just that, hold them, and using them as a liquid currency is somewhat frowned upon... honestly i think we have this backward, it should be completely liquid and used to pass through from good work -> bts -> btc

obviously this might strike some people as odd, I like the concept of holding brownies too and will always hold some no matter what happens, however I need to point something out... brownies will never become worthless. Freebie has THREE projects in the pipeline, the soonest to release is btstip, and we will be dropping massive portions of our equity on brownies because of the large support and backing from this community and the beyond bitcoin guys... personally im buying up a bunch of brownies and so are my team because we want to sell and distribute them as much as possible...

to that end we have two major focuses with the btstip and barterr projects were working on;

we enabled UIA TIPPING and UIA exchange markets

as of right now you can tip each other UIA, this is super useful for the liquidity of brownies, and as soon as barter comes out it will support a brownie-bts and btownie-btc market... hold your brownies, or sell them, either way you will be earning massive gains for participating in the concept because freebie will constantly be supporting and spreading them.

Loving it :)


I'm willing to help in any way I can.  Brownies or not.  I'm here for the cause.

Yes you are...but that only makes you a more worthwhile person to bring onboard. 
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There are quite a few problems with the concept of brownies as a standalone currency, the biggest of all i see is that brownie holders are encouraged to do just that, hold them, and using them as a liquid currency is somewhat frowned upon... honestly i think we have this backward, it should be completely liquid and used to pass through from good work -> bts -> btc

obviously this might strike some people as odd, I like the concept of holding brownies too and will always hold some no matter what happens, however I need to point something out... brownies will never become worthless. Freebie has THREE projects in the pipeline, the soonest to release is btstip, and we will be dropping massive portions of our equity on brownies because of the large support and backing from this community and the beyond bitcoin guys... personally im buying up a bunch of brownies and so are my team because we want to sell and distribute them as much as possible...

to that end we have two major focuses with the btstip and barterr projects were working on;

we enabled UIA TIPPING and UIA exchange markets

as of right now you can tip each other UIA, this is super useful for the liquidity of brownies, and as soon as barter comes out it will support a brownie-bts and btownie-btc market... hold your brownies, or sell them, either way you will be earning massive gains for participating in the concept because freebie will constantly be supporting and spreading them.
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The problem with paying in brownies, will be that there is a huge chance that they become worthless.  At least bts has a function and a business model.  Brownies were created out of thin air as a way for BM to keep track of people that he likes.  What happens as BM moves farther and farther away from bitshares?  What happens when we find out when the snapshot for identabit happened?  Brownies will take a big fall, and most likely become worthless unless there is another project that says it will drop on brownie holders.

I guess it is the risk people will take and getting something is better than nothing... hopefully it can keep beyond bitcoin afloat for a while longer.

I can assure you identabit will not be the last sharedropping on brownies.  Well at least that is the case for as long as I can help it.  (and likely the same can be said for all the people in this huge--and growing--list: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19643.75.html)

And I can help it...even moreso with the volunteers in our community onboard. 

The chance is not huge at all.  :P
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The problem with paying in brownies, will be that there is a huge chance that they become worthless.  At least bts has a function and a business model.  Brownies were created out of thin air as a way for BM to keep track of people that he likes.  What happens as BM moves farther and farther away from bitshares?  What happens when we find out when the snapshot for identabit happened?  Brownies will take a big fall, and most likely become worthless unless there is another project that says it will drop on brownie holders.

I guess it is the risk people will take and getting something is better than nothing... hopefully it can keep beyond bitcoin afloat for a while longer.

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Lately I've been thinking of alternative ways to keep BitShare's oldest movement. 

We at Beyond Bitcoin have worked tirelessly for nearly 2 years and have become a foundation for all the bitshares community to join in and get "inside information" as though they are part of the core dev team.  This is the only place where anyone can join and have a voice that is on level ground with everyone else--and a place where they can record and report live without being forced to show press credentials.  Or charged outrageous fees to join.  But these are not the only benefit offered.   

Over these years, we have had some who have worked with us for long periods of time and still others whose efforts have been interspersed and inconstant.  Yet they have worked and volunteered their time nonetheless.... 

Multiple volunteers have run beyond bitcoin since the very beginning of bitshares, and some were given small sums of bts funding via a delegate, but the delegate's pay did little to actually compensate them.  In fact many of those volunteers then even gave a substantial portion of their earnings to other initiatives, like minebitshares (now bunkermining). 

So we are the types of people who are not afraid to help others who are not part of "Beyond Bitcoin".  We represent a demographic that looks to Uplift Everyone! These selfless people have asked for very little and have given back far more in return...and for this reason, I have recently begun paying volunteers of bitshares' beyond bitcoin movement in brownies.  Not only this, but it is my full intention to work with project leads to begin looking at brownie holders as one of the most potent sharedropping targets in the ecosystem...perhaps second only to bitshares itself. 

With brownies, however, I no longer need to worry about paying our community with funds from a delegate or worker proposal and asking them to put those limited funds back into the community.  We can simply create value together...and the brownie supply will expand to reflect that value.

So if you are a person who has done a great deal of work for bitshares, and feel as though you sacrificed at great opportunity to yourself (aka working on something else with lower risk and higher reward) I see you as the foundation of bitshares...and I'd like to recruit and compensate you to help bitshares itself become a place where volunteers do not have to worry they will be overlooked. 

That is why brownies exist...for people like you. 

So now that I have opened a discussion to identify brownie holders, the next step is to for the first time open a discussion to identify those who would be interested in doing volunteer work for brownies(pts). 

If you are interested in this proposition, please post a reply here to let me know.  Shortly after you have done this, I will ensure to reach out to you personally to find out more details regarding your ideas and options.  Some people with big ideas that the community backs might even be given brownies to distribute for their own cause! Many quests will need done for many people in the bitshares ecosystem, after all, and I believe brownie lovers are in the perfect position to help all of bitshares--because they are its most selfless servants...they are a silent guild filled with the ranks of our heroes.   

So please post in this thread if you are interested in volunteering to help us, and we will coordinate to ensure you can--and will ensure you are given many hugs for doing so.  It is time to bring this to the next level everyone---and we only do this by leveling up every hero bitshares has...not by ignoring them and hoping they will force others to compensate for their work.  A free market is necessary, but taking care of those who generally work for a higher cause is also essential...and those people tend to be the ones who never ask.  I want to change that paradigm...because I think it is an important step in changing today's more macro level paradigm.
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