Author Topic: bts profitability chart - a picture worth a thousand words  (Read 4207 times)

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Offline roadscape

Glad you guys found it useful!

It's stiill missing a few things.. unless I'm mistaken, there's nearly $7k in USD and $1k in CNY collected in fees. At these prices that's equivalent to over 2,000,000 BTS that could be added to the reserve.

I think a nicer name is reserve versus budget ie  http://cryptofresh.com/reserve

Thanks @cube, I'll change it soon.

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#btstip roadscape 400 BROWNIE.PTS

Tell me please if this works or doesn't @roadscape
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Nice.  I like it.

I think a nicer name is reserve versus budget ie  http://cryptofresh.com/reserve
« Last Edit: November 03, 2015, 11:44:46 am by cube »
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If the goal is to show ongoing profitability stats, then that is useful. If the goal is to show the world how profitable BitShares has suddenly become, then I don't think that's worthwhile. Why? Because this burn rate is artificially high due to everyone registering new accounts in the 2.0 software. Over time, we want to see a slow and steady increase in profitability -- that will be much more sustainable.

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From what I remember, bm was all for this idea back when Burst was doing it and I brought up doing it in BTS2.0 one day.

I can't find the conversation just yet, but it's here somewhere on the forum.

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16318.msg211065.html#msg211065

I'm looking for bm's reply, it may have been during the hangout, so will need to find the transcript.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2015, 11:58:05 pm by Tuck Fheman »

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Btw, is it possible to lock BTS?

The chain has support for creating vesting balance objects, which allows you to lock any asset, and have a variety of unlocking parameters.

Core asset (i.e., BTS) VBO's are created for witness pay and the cashback functionality.

It doesn't really make economic sense to create a VBO, except in a multi-party transaction where one party is either the blockchain, or acting on behalf of the chain.  I personally like the idea of a worker proposal to pay people for locking up their BitAssets.  For example, if 10k BTS is worth $50, you could create a worker which is funded 10,000 BTS per day, with a business plan of buying $50 BitUSD every day at current market prices, then collecting offers from people based on how many BitUSD they are willing to lock up, and for how long, to get $X of worker's the BitUSD, and then paying out to the top offers in VBO's.  You'll always be able to fill it (I'm assuing somebody will always make an offer to be paid $50 to lock up $0.01 for five minutes.)  It's quite similar to a no-reserve government debt auction, and it seems like a decentralized autonomous fixed-income capability would be attractive to people in these times of zero interest rates.  I think this system is a superior replacement for the BTS 0.x yield system because you know what you're getting in advance.

Of course most people I've talked to (including other people here at Cryptonomex) all seem to hate my idea for some reason that they never clearly explain, but blockchain level support for it is there if I ever manage to convince anyone it's a good idea.

Thanks for the idea  +5% it would be nice to have something replacing yield! Maybe other members could chime in and share their thoughts on why they dislike this  :)
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Btw, is it possible to lock BTS?

The chain has support for creating vesting balance objects, which allows you to lock any asset, and have a variety of unlocking parameters.

Core asset (i.e., BTS) VBO's are created for witness pay and the cashback functionality.

It doesn't really make economic sense to create a VBO, except in a multi-party transaction where one party is either the blockchain, or acting on behalf of the chain.  I personally like the idea of a worker proposal to pay people for locking up their BitAssets.  For example, if 10k BTS is worth $50, you could create a worker which is funded 10,000 BTS per day, with a business plan of buying $50 BitUSD every day at current market prices, then collecting offers from people based on how many BitUSD they are willing to lock up, and for how long, to get $X of worker's the BitUSD, and then paying out to the top offers in VBO's.  You'll always be able to fill it (I'm assuing somebody will always make an offer to be paid $50 to lock up $0.01 for five minutes, and then better offers will come in until the imputed yield gets comparable to any other fixed-income instrument, modulo transaction costs and the market's perception of the probability of certain risk factors unique to BitAssets, like BitUSD black swans or lost/hacked private keys.)  It's quite similar to a no-reserve government debt auction, and it seems like a decentralized autonomous fixed-income capability would be attractive to people in these times of zero interest rates.  I think this system is a superior replacement for the BTS 0.x yield system because you know what you're getting in advance.

Of course most people I've talked to (including other people here at Cryptonomex) all seem to hate my idea for some reason that they never clearly explain, but blockchain level support for it is there if I ever manage to convince anyone it's a good idea.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2015, 11:48:08 pm by theoretical »
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Btw, is it possible to lock BTS? On top of showing burnt BTS from fees it could also show how much BTS is locked at a given moment. I remember a discussion about this in the past on how it could increase your voting power. I dont know if that would be the best application or not, but if we had some sort of incentive for locking bitshares for x time, maybe more people would do it, supply would decrease. On top of that we could show it to others. It would also be a good indicative of trust in the ecosystem!
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I have plans to extens the stats page for profitability .. but just had no time to finish the backend refactoring yet :(

Since your workload is bound to only grow, is there a way you could delegate some of this to roadscape?
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I have plans to extens the stats page for profitability .. but just had no time to finish the backend refactoring yet :(