UI Progress

[wmbutler]

Voting needs a total ui overhaul and I plan to tackle that in late January.

[luckybit]

One thing, on worker proposals, there's the info about the worker proposal and the status. However it reads too small. Status is important to know if you have already supported the worker proposal or not, it should have its own space or at least be more visible.

I say this because i thought i already voted for a worker proposal and once I clicked on "approve" the status changed from "Supported" to "Neutral". I had no previous indication showing I had already voted for that worker proposal.

So either the approve button doesnt appear with a green colour and instead appears something like "Remove Support" or the status needs to be more visible. I'd say both.


On the Balances table we have, showing Percent of Total Supply. Could we have a Percent of Holdings or something like that? To know which percentage we're holding in BTS, bitUSD or other assets? To know the amount of assets on one's portfolio.

We should also have a red or green arrow in the direction our percentage is changing. If it goes up in the last hour or down, it should be indicated by how much it went up or at least make it green.

[CLains]

I like the trollbox idea as well. Moves things into realtime

[Akado]

One thing, on worker proposals, there's the info about the worker proposal and the status. However it reads too small. Status is important to know if you have already supported the worker proposal or not, it should have its own space or at least be more visible.

I say this because i thought i already voted for a worker proposal and once I clicked on "approve" the status changed from "Supported" to "Neutral". I had no previous indication showing I had already voted for that worker proposal.

So either the approve button doesnt appear with a green colour and instead appears something like "Remove Support" or the status needs to be more visible. I'd say both.


On the Balances table we have, showing Percent of Total Supply. Could we have a Percent of Holdings or something like that? To know which percentage we're holding in BTS, bitUSD or other assets? To know the amount of assets on one's portfolio.

[TravelsAsia]

Sounds like we are basically all in agreement on this - have a sticky setting to disable it. Does anyone know if there is any progress on a trollbox?

 

[speedy]

Sounds like we are basically all in agreement on this - have a sticky setting to disable it. Does anyone know if there is any progress on a trollbox?

[luckybit]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

the chatbox/trollbox is a reflection of people using the platform.  Bitshares users are few in number and love bitshres. I think you would find the quality of chat would be much much higher and by the time it was like poloniexs trollbox we would have loads of liquidity which is what we are aiming for.

I think it needs to be on by default with the option to disable it.

I agree. The aim should be to make the exchange sticky. You can't make it sticky without a troll box and it should be always visible unless the user hides it.

[luckybit]

I would prioritise a troll box so we can all chat on the exchange instead and answer each others questions in real time.

this will be our customer service.

[Thom]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

You are really surprised? Everyone else wants this yesterday. No one is forcing you use a trollbox/chat interface, you are free to minimize it on Poloniex.

I just glanced at their one and theyre talking about wallets and altcoins - really offtopic.

Openledger looks dead and Poloniex looks alive with activity, partly because they show their trollbox by default.

Like I said, I'm OK with it as long as I don't have to turn it off every time I open the wallet. It can even be on by default as long as its state is captured by settings or personal preferences.

@donkeypong you are absolutely right, it's not my preferences or yours or BM's or JonnyBitcoin's. This should be decided by consensus as always. Issues like this do overlap with marketing objectives, which conceivably may not always align with the shareholder consensus. I look forward to the day when the tools and mindset around here allow this type of decision to put before the widest audience to gather input.

Youtube allows you to set filters, for example to list by upload date. However, they don't persist my preferences so every time I use youtube and want a list I MUST fiddle with the filters. It's really annoying.

[speedy]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

You are really surprised? Everyone else wants this yesterday. No one is forcing you use a trollbox/chat interface, you are free to minimize it on Poloniex.

I just glanced at their one and theyre talking about wallets and altcoins - really offtopic.

Openledger looks dead and Poloniex looks alive with activity, partly because they show their trollbox by default.

[Tuck Fheman]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

Mess or not, it's what seems to attract people and helps form communities. May not be practical in terms of but it attracts users.

I agree with both of you. BTC-e's trollbox was what got me hooked on cryptocurrency.

Hell I was one of it not the first donator to help support trollboxarchive.com.

But as the ban's came (lulz) and time went by I grew weary of it and have never bothered with one again.

I see it sort of like Thom now, it's just noise ... to confuse new people out of their money.

Once you grow a conscience, in my case, or make enough money it's no longer useful outside of the occasional blurb.

[Akado]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

Mess or not, it's what seems to attract people and helps form communities. May not be practical in terms of but it attracts users.

[JonnyB]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

the chatbox/trollbox is a reflection of people using the platform.  Bitshares users are few in number and love bitshres. I think you would find the quality of chat would be much much higher and by the time it was like poloniexs trollbox we would have loads of liquidity which is what we are aiming for.

I think it needs to be on by default with the option to disable it.

[donkeypong]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

What you and I think does not matter, though I'm right there with you. Those boxes remind me of a neighborhood post that all the dogs have to go pee on. But if someone actually will spend more time on the platform and trade because they are addicted to the endless noise of a chatterbox, then we probably need one. It seems to me that a straight up chat/messaging function would work much better for customer service and serous discussion.

@donkeypong are you talking about the starred markets? Make sure you have the latest version because I think it's pretty simple at this point.

Correct. It's a little better every time I try it.

[Thom]

Troll box? A chat interface is different than a troll box, if what I've seen elsewhere is a troll box.

I hate the damned things, they just provide a lot of noise and nonsense to distract what I'm there for. If people more or less stayed on point like the chat window in mumble I could see it possibly being useful. In my experience it's 50 zillion convos between separate groups of people and hard to track a single group / convo.

If you know what the old school telephone party line was, a troll box is like that but with many different conversations occurring in real time simultaneously. It would be like a mumble session where fuzzy is talking with BM on one topic, I am talking with Stan on a different topic, DataSecurityNode is talking with kencode on yet another, all at the same time in real time. A real audio mess. That's how I feel a troll box is in text.

I'm OK with adding one so long as it isn't visible by default. It would be a terrible I/F for support. Private chat on the other hand would be perfect.

[JonnyB]

I would prioritise a troll box so we can all chat on the exchange instead and answer each others questions in real time.

this will be our customer service.

[wmbutler]

@donkeypong are you talking about the starred markets? Make sure you have the latest version because I think it's pretty simple at this point.

[donkeypong]

I know but we shouldn't have to find the assets from the list on the other screen and then go to that market screen and type in the name. Why not have a direct link from the asset listing to its market? I'm getting used to going back and forth, but when I had a toilet malfunctioning in one bathroom, I got used to walking to another part of the house, too. That doesn't make it particularly user-friendly.

[tonyk]

If I may please make a couple suggestions.

The trading page is a little hard to navigate. Please add the ability to sort by volume, and/or an easy way to determine the most popular markets.

Also, on the My Wallet page that has all asset balances, it would be nice to be able to choose the asset that the value is displayed in. Right now it displays in BTS which is nice, but the ability to switch this to US dollars (or your local FIAT currency) would make it easier to assess the value of your holdings.

The "favorite markets" page is a disaster also. It's easy to touch one of those things and it disappears forever from your screen. How does someone add a new market?

Left hand side "Search market"
Enter base - most likely BTS
Enter Search - Spell the symbol correctly and fully
Use the plus sign to add.

[donkeypong]

If I may please make a couple suggestions.

The trading page is a little hard to navigate. Please add the ability to sort by volume, and/or an easy way to determine the most popular markets.

Also, on the My Wallet page that has all asset balances, it would be nice to be able to choose the asset that the value is displayed in. Right now it displays in BTS which is nice, but the ability to switch this to US dollars (or your local FIAT currency) would make it easier to assess the value of your holdings.

The "favorite markets" page is a disaster also. It's easy to touch one of those things and it disappears forever from your screen. How does someone add a new market?

[mdj]

I just want to say - I love this proactive approach. Very good and exactly what's needed!

[CoinHoarder]

If I may please make a couple suggestions.

The trading page is a little hard to navigate. Please add the ability to sort by volume, and/or an easy way to determine the most popular markets.

Also, on the My Wallet page that has all asset balances, it would be nice to be able to choose the asset that the value is displayed in. Right now it displays in BTS which is nice, but the ability to switch this to US dollars (or your local FIAT currency) would make it easier to assess the value of your holdings.

[svk]

Just wanna say I really appreciate the energy and organization wmbutler has brought to the project, he's a real asset.

[wmbutler]

@xeroc possibly. I need to make sure that I understand the nature of the issues so I can actually help. I have a toolset for assisting with UX/UI but not as much when it comes to the technical underpinnings of BTS. I'll spend some time reviewing the graphene repo issues to attempt to wrap my head around it.

@Bhuz I understand your concern. I'd say being a witness is a long term play. I am expending real hours on a daily basis to improve the experience. In the past week, I easily invested 30 hours. I think the pay that I'm asking for is a token amount and is representative of my commitment to BTS. Oh, and thanks for the tip. Very good of you!

@fuzzy, to clarify, I did not fix those bugs (ok, I fixed a spelling error), but I did read through the 72 issues, classify them, organize them into sprints, talked daily with developers about process and kept them in the loop on progress and UX/UI'd potential solutions to problems. And, lastly gave 'em a slap on the shoulder for a job well done.

Hopefully I can get the proposal together. I left the private key to my server where I have the cli_wallet and home and I'm about to get on a very small boat to head down the Atlantic Coast. I'll send pics!

[Ben Mason]

Just brilliant! Excellent work! We need more of this kind of organisation around all products sets.

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[Bhuz]

I think you are doing a great job and I am willing to support you and your proposal, but I also think you should definitely adjust your pay consistently with the current bts's economical situation...
500usd per month? I think it's way too high, also considering you are not coding right?

Just to let you know, witnesses's current pay is around 130usd per month, and that not considering the server's cost for the witness_node and any others seed_node and/or backup_node we are running. Actual witness pay is somewhere 0 to 50ish usd at current bts value... And that for being reliable and available all day everyday in case of necessity.

I am not saying that you should do it for free, of course. But maybe all current works that are not about actually coding and build services and stuff, should have a medium/high percentage of volunteer in it, for now.

Anyway, just my 2cent.

#btstip wmbutler 150 BTS

[CLains]

I'll vote for this! Progress management and UX/UI 

[fuzzy]

All,

About a week and a half ago, the graphene-ui devs let me run an experiment with prioritizing issues and setting up milestones with weekly releases. I am happy to report that the team did an amazing job of knocking out 32 bugs and enhancements. One of my biggest concerns with Bitshares was the persistence of the same issues week after week. It is my goal to listen to requests on this board (and more importantly on the graphene-ui github site) https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues.

I will make every effort to respond, clarify and prioritize features and bugs in an effort to make the bitshares2 wallet the best it can be. Releases will occur every Wednesday, with urgent fixes being released in between as required.

Here is the list of bugs that were fixed last week:
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues?q=milestone%3A2.0.151111+is%3Aclosed

Here is what the team is working on for the 11/18 release:
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/milestones/2.0.151118

I encourage you to discuss software issue on github. Get an account, it's free. Start an issue. Go slowly when explaining your issue. Do not bundle problems. If you have 3 distinct bugs or feature requests, create separate issues. Only submit the most pressing issues and really think through the urgency before posting. We are trying to triage those issues that hurt BTS perception. Once those are resolved we can move on to the all the other amazing features that are possible.

I will be submitting a Worker Proposal to serve as the Project Manager for the UI Team to help streamline this process and communicate needs / wants / priorities. I hope that you find value in what I am doing an you vote to accept my worker proposal. The text of the proposal is here and I will likely submit it to the blockchain for voting tomorrow.

Worker Proposal
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14d9bBAyUoB9wcBpFnYoGpE1MF0RnOwMKpF2Z8eh0QkI/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks for listening.

Nice.. Please contact me so we can get you on to talk about your worker proposal sometime after a hangout.

Approximately how long did it take you to fix those bugs btw?

[xeroc]

for your efforts ... and at least the same to the webdevs .. of course!!

Would you be willing to extend your efforts to the graphene repository as well?

[wmbutler]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14d9bBAyUoB9wcBpFnYoGpE1MF0RnOwMKpF2Z8eh0QkI/edit?usp=sharing

[clayop]

All,

About a week and a half ago, the graphene-ui devs let me run an experiment with prioritizing issues and setting up milestones with weekly releases. I am happy to report that the team did an amazing job of knocking out 32 bugs and enhancements. One of my biggest concerns with Bitshares was the persistence of the same issues week after week. It is my goal to listen to requests on this board (and more importantly on the graphene-ui github site) https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues.

I will make every effort to respond, clarify and prioritize features and bugs in an effort to make the bitshares2 wallet the best it can be. Releases will occur every Wednesday, with urgent fixes being released in between as required.

Here is the list of bugs that were fixed last week:
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues?q=milestone%3A2.0.151111+is%3Aclosed

Here is what the team is working on for the 11/18 release:
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/milestones/2.0.151118

I encourage you to discuss software issue on github. Get an account, it's free. Start an issue. Go slowly when explaining your issue. Do not bundle problems. If you have 3 distinct bugs or feature requests, create separate issues. Only submit the most pressing issues and really think through the urgency before posting. We are trying to triage those issues that hurt BTS perception. Once those are resolved we can move on to the all the other amazing features that are possible.

I will be submitting a Worker Proposal to serve as the Project Manager for the UI Team to help streamline this process and communicate needs / wants / priorities. I hope that you find value in what I am doing an you vote to accept my worker proposal. The text of the proposal is here and I will likely submit it to the blockchain for voting tomorrow.

Worker Proposal
https://docs.google.com/a/butler.net/document/d/14d9bBAyUoB9wcBpFnYoGpE1MF0RnOwMKpF2Z8eh0QkI/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks for listening.

BTW, google docs requests an access..

[wmbutler]

All,

About a week and a half ago, the graphene-ui devs let me run an experiment with prioritizing issues and setting up milestones with weekly releases. I am happy to report that the team did an amazing job of knocking out 32 bugs and enhancements. One of my biggest concerns with Bitshares was the persistence of the same issues week after week. It is my goal to listen to requests on this board (and more importantly on the graphene-ui github site) https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues.

I will make every effort to respond, clarify and prioritize features and bugs in an effort to make the bitshares2 wallet the best it can be. Releases will occur every Wednesday, with urgent fixes being released in between as required.

Here is the list of bugs that were fixed last week:
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/issues?q=milestone%3A2.0.151111+is%3Aclosed

Here is what the team is working on for the 11/18 release:
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene-ui/milestones/2.0.151118

I encourage you to discuss software issue on github. Get an account, it's free. Start an issue. Go slowly when explaining your issue. Do not bundle problems. If you have 3 distinct bugs or feature requests, create separate issues. Only submit the most pressing issues and really think through the urgency before posting. We are trying to triage those issues that hurt BTS perception. Once those are resolved we can move on to the all the other amazing features that are possible.

I will be submitting a Worker Proposal to serve as the Project Manager for the UI Team to help streamline this process and communicate needs / wants / priorities. I hope that you find value in what I am doing an you vote to accept my worker proposal. The text of the proposal is here and I will likely submit it to the blockchain for voting tomorrow.

Worker Proposal
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14d9bBAyUoB9wcBpFnYoGpE1MF0RnOwMKpF2Z8eh0QkI/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks for listening.