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Offline topcandle

Sorry what bugs does ethereum have?  And why does it have security problems?  Aren't these fixes with Casper.  I think you guys are missing out on why ethereum is succeeding and forgetting that the things you think are weaknesses are undergoing fixds
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I understand banks dont even know BitShares exists, but they're preferring Ethereum over Ripple for example? For money transfers and banks use cases specifically, shouldnt it be something like

BitShares > Ripple > Ethereum or Ripple > BitShares > Ethereum?

We're way more into this kind of stuff than ethereum is. We have way more potential. We specialize in one thing while Ethereum is ok at everything else.

Do these people actually do decent research or only go for whatever they hear "should" be good enough? Or am I just completely wrong? Unless they want to develop other use cases for which Ethereum might be better at? I just didn't predict banks teaming up with Ethereum. I always thought that Ripple would be the one doing so becasue of all the connections they have and we would be the alternative and the "new" stuff for some other more bold banks while providing services for all exchanges.

Ethereum would just be used for... everything else

Ethereum took over Silicon Valley while Bitshares took over Virginia. Silicon Valley is more connected to the tech world so it's obvious why Ethereum is able to do certain things.

But I don't see why banks would choose Ethereum either. Ethereum has questionable security, is experimental, and I doubt banks are going to put all their hope into Ethereum at this time. Maybe in a few years if Ethereum matures it could have some support but it's not going to happen over night.

I think if they use it they might just fork it. Still, would probably be beneficial for eth. That isn't a race we should loose. Every crypto is trying to find it's niche.

We're just finding ours and would be nice if we wouldn't collide with other projects that could take away our market share.

My opinion is Bitshares should work with any organization or entity that a corporation could work with. Bitshares can work with banks, governments, non-profits, NGOs, private investors, celebrities or whomever. That in fact is the beauty of the design of Bitshares.

At the same time that is also why I try to tell people to tone down the ideological graffiti. Ideology puts people into a tribal state of mind, it makes it harder to do business dev, harder to collaborate, it divides people, makes people irrational, and while it's good at times for your community to have a deep philosophy, you don't want it on your website or in your marketing.

In your marketing and on your website you want to focus on how much $ the people or organizations can make, or how much $ they can save, by working with you over working with your competitors. You also want to highlight your strengths and compare it to the weaknesses of your competitors.

Bitshares has some clear and irrefutable strengths in the technological arms race. It also has some weaknesses. The strengths actually appeal to traditional institutions like banks and in many ways Bitshares has taken a conservative approach. On the other hand generalized programmable blockchain are a strength and while Bitshares has some of these capabilities it will be left in the dust by some of the other projects.

So Bitshares needs to focus on it's niche. It's niche is financial transactions, it's niche is decentralized exchange,  and from a technological point of view if it can do bank functions better than Ethereum then it might win over some of the smaller banks. You don't need to win the biggest banks, you just need any banks.

Very good point Luckybit, yes this what BTS needs to do; gain mass exposure. I have put it to Fabian about the importance of getting BTS out into the big league BTS has far superior security, hack resistance (virtually hack proofing who starts using it and it is also generally more aligned with big finance to start with.

BTS needs to make its mark on silicone valley, where the boy's clubs are and the tech nerds that need to see what BTS is about.

BTS needs to promote itself as a hard core bottom up industry grade platform that will bring finance into the 21st century, the finance world is still in the dark ages tech wise BTS is the disruptor and it will take on conventional wisdom head on.

A hard nosed assault on silicone valley and the tech world is how BTS will ultimately flourish and be the tour de force it deserves to be.


So marketing is the key here, build enthusiasm in the boy's clubs over there in silicone valley, show the silicone wannabes the  innovation force that BTS holds.

Connect Bitshares with the tech world, apps to connect to smart phones and ipads integration with trading platforms, then see what the result is. Whilst BTS is not perfect, nothing is. I see it being far better accepted than some silicone valley sandbox.  Ethereum has its place but it's not at the forefront of financial security,
hack prevention and international trade.

The financial world wants security and peace of mind that funds are properly held and secured at all times, this has been and will always be the number one first order priority concerning the stowage and transfer of money.

I will also add that BTC is old hat tech now, it's too slow, too resource intensive and cannot scale up like BTS. So the real truth and fact of the matter of bringing finance into the 21st century is six fundamental rules:

Security, Keep out thieves and hackers.
Speed, Faster the better.
Scaleability, Grow as finance grows.
Adaptability, Make provision for change in the finance sphere.
Flexibility, Empower the individual with the ability to tailor their finances the way they want them not how they're told to..
Convenience, being able to pay and go quickly.

That's the ethos of people friendly modern finance.
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Simple, blockchain labs want to experiment and create their own models, you will want to use Ethereum for that as it is very flexible. Later on you can use an specialised chain if needed for performance, security etc, (Graphene).
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I understand banks dont even know BitShares exists, but they're preferring Ethereum over Ripple for example? For money transfers and banks use cases specifically, shouldnt it be something like

BitShares > Ripple > Ethereum or Ripple > BitShares > Ethereum?

We're way more into this kind of stuff than ethereum is. We have way more potential. We specialize in one thing while Ethereum is ok at everything else.

Do these people actually do decent research or only go for whatever they hear "should" be good enough? Or am I just completely wrong? Unless they want to develop other use cases for which Ethereum might be better at? I just didn't predict banks teaming up with Ethereum. I always thought that Ripple would be the one doing so becasue of all the connections they have and we would be the alternative and the "new" stuff for some other more bold banks while providing services for all exchanges.

Ethereum would just be used for... everything else

Ethereum is just a toy for tech nerds to play with and pump and dumpers to kick when they feel like it. I see too many problems with ethereum as it is too shaky security wise and it has so many bugs it's not funny.

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Well now Mr Akado , good question .Do you know why some have their own private jet which takes them to their destination way earlier than a commercial passenger plane can ? Banks are not after public ledger but its tecnology . Why , why , why ?
You and I have bitshares , they dont want to be on ours , they want something which is private to themselves. They will never use a public ledger where they dont have  privacy , they might contact Cryptonomex and ask for the same technology , but it will be a one which you and I wont be on. You see this is  kind of a race as to who will use a new technology before the next  person does so they will take advantage. And privacy is like an ammunition in this battle , believe me they will pay good dollar amount to whoever hands it to them. So  Cryptonomex will have to sell this ammunition to someone , question is this: who do you want it to be ? I hope you will appreciate the urgency of privacy more . $45 Gs is peanuts for any bank, they will pay 100 times more who ever hands that privacy to them. The whole point of this technology for us  was to cut the middleman out because middleman most of the time uses parties' lack of information against them. I dont want a bunch of banks with their private chains acting as middleman  between me and you . Think about it , and members of this community who take privacy lightly , I would like you to think about it . Either they have privacy or you and I have it , the more we have it they will have to start acting responsible and join us rather than trying to rip us . Than you can have more money to do whatever you want.
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they had $10+ million to promote it and do conferences like devcon where techies and investor attend.

sexy website and sexy presale.

also the banks tech guys are more likely to want to build something from scratch which ethereum alllows for

I think its actually a mistake for banks to try to build from scratch. It's borderline stupid in my opinion because you could have the community build it for you and it might actually be cheaper. I suppose it depends on what you're trying to do and whether or not the community chain supports the features for regulation and controls, and as far as I know if your community chain does support all the necessary regulations and controls then why would a bank waste it's time putting that stuff in?
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1256406.0

I understand banks dont even know BitShares exists, but they're preferring Ethereum over Ripple for example? For money transfers and banks use cases specifically, shouldnt it be something like

BitShares > Ripple > Ethereum or Ripple > BitShares > Ethereum?

We're way more into this kind of stuff than ethereum is. We have way more potential. We specialize in one thing while Ethereum is ok at everything else.

Do these people actually do decent research or only go for whatever they hear "should" be good enough? Or am I just completely wrong? Unless they want to develop other use cases for which Ethereum might be better at? I just didn't predict banks teaming up with Ethereum. I always thought that Ripple would be the one doing so becasue of all the connections they have and we would be the alternative and the "new" stuff for some other more bold banks while providing services for all exchanges.

Ethereum would just be used for... everything else

Ethereum took over Silicon Valley while Bitshares took over Virginia. Silicon Valley is more connected to the tech world so it's obvious why Ethereum is able to do certain things.

But I don't see why banks would choose Ethereum either. Ethereum has questionable security, is experimental, and I doubt banks are going to put all their hope into Ethereum at this time. Maybe in a few years if Ethereum matures it could have some support but it's not going to happen over night.

I think if they use it they might just fork it. Still, would probably be beneficial for eth. That isn't a race we should loose. Every crypto is trying to find it's niche.

We're just finding ours and would be nice if we wouldn't collide with other projects that could take away our market share.

My opinion is Bitshares should work with any organization or entity that a corporation could work with. Bitshares can work with banks, governments, non-profits, NGOs, private investors, celebrities or whomever. That in fact is the beauty of the design of Bitshares.

At the same time that is also why I try to tell people to tone down the ideological graffiti. Ideology puts people into a tribal state of mind, it makes it harder to do business dev, harder to collaborate, it divides people, makes people irrational, and while it's good at times for your community to have a deep philosophy, you don't want it on your website or in your marketing.

In your marketing and on your website you want to focus on how much $ the people or organizations can make, or how much $ they can save, by working with you over working with your competitors. You also want to highlight your strengths and compare it to the weaknesses of your competitors.

Bitshares has some clear and irrefutable strengths in the technological arms race. It also has some weaknesses. The strengths actually appeal to traditional institutions like banks and in many ways Bitshares has taken a conservative approach. On the other hand generalized programmable blockchain are a strength and while Bitshares has some of these capabilities it will be left in the dust by some of the other projects.

So Bitshares needs to focus on it's niche. It's niche is financial transactions, it's niche is decentralized exchange,  and from a technological point of view if it can do bank functions better than Ethereum then it might win over some of the smaller banks. You don't need to win the biggest banks, you just need any banks.
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they had $10+ million to promote it and do conferences like devcon where techies and investor attend.

sexy website and sexy presale.

also the banks tech guys are more likely to want to build something from scratch which ethereum alllows for

I run the @bitshares twitter handle
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1256406.0

I understand banks dont even know BitShares exists, but they're preferring Ethereum over Ripple for example? For money transfers and banks use cases specifically, shouldnt it be something like

BitShares > Ripple > Ethereum or Ripple > BitShares > Ethereum?

We're way more into this kind of stuff than ethereum is. We have way more potential. We specialize in one thing while Ethereum is ok at everything else.

Do these people actually do decent research or only go for whatever they hear "should" be good enough? Or am I just completely wrong? Unless they want to develop other use cases for which Ethereum might be better at? I just didn't predict banks teaming up with Ethereum. I always thought that Ripple would be the one doing so becasue of all the connections they have and we would be the alternative and the "new" stuff for some other more bold banks while providing services for all exchanges.

Ethereum would just be used for... everything else

Ethereum took over Silicon Valley while Bitshares took over Virginia. Silicon Valley is more connected to the tech world so it's obvious why Ethereum is able to do certain things.

But I don't see why banks would choose Ethereum either. Ethereum has questionable security, is experimental, and I doubt banks are going to put all their hope into Ethereum at this time. Maybe in a few years if Ethereum matures it could have some support but it's not going to happen over night.

I think if they use it they might just fork it. Still, would probably be beneficial for eth. That isn't a race we should loose. Every crypto is trying to find it's niche.

We're just finding ours and would be nice if we wouldn't collide with other projects that could take away our market share.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1256406.0

I understand banks dont even know BitShares exists, but they're preferring Ethereum over Ripple for example? For money transfers and banks use cases specifically, shouldnt it be something like

BitShares > Ripple > Ethereum or Ripple > BitShares > Ethereum?

We're way more into this kind of stuff than ethereum is. We have way more potential. We specialize in one thing while Ethereum is ok at everything else.

Do these people actually do decent research or only go for whatever they hear "should" be good enough? Or am I just completely wrong? Unless they want to develop other use cases for which Ethereum might be better at? I just didn't predict banks teaming up with Ethereum. I always thought that Ripple would be the one doing so becasue of all the connections they have and we would be the alternative and the "new" stuff for some other more bold banks while providing services for all exchanges.

Ethereum would just be used for... everything else

Ethereum took over Silicon Valley while Bitshares took over Virginia. Silicon Valley is more connected to the tech world so it's obvious why Ethereum is able to do certain things.

But I don't see why banks would choose Ethereum either. Ethereum has questionable security, is experimental, and I doubt banks are going to put all their hope into Ethereum at this time. Maybe in a few years if Ethereum matures it could have some support but it's not going to happen over night.

It took Ripple 5 years. Ripple I've known about since 2011, since before I got involved with Bitcoin, back when it was RipplePay. Ripple has been trying to build relationships with banks for a long time.

Ethereum in my opinion at this time, is not secure enough for banks. Because it is so new, and because it is Turing complete, it's alpha level, and at best banks are only testing it. I do understand why banks would not choose Bitcoin, Bitcoin isn't very flexible and the Bitcoin developers are extremely ideological while banks probably only care about having the best technology for shareholders.

I think the Turing completeness in the long term though will make Ethereum expensive to maintain and secure. It might be secure enough to work in the same way Bitcoin is considered secure enough or Bitshares is considered secure enough, but it will have additional risks brought on it due to it's openness and Turing completeness.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1256406.0

I understand banks dont even know BitShares exists, but they're preferring Ethereum over Ripple for example? For money transfers and banks use cases specifically, shouldnt it be something like

BitShares > Ripple > Ethereum or Ripple > BitShares > Ethereum?

We're way more into this kind of stuff than ethereum is. We have way more potential. We specialize in one thing while Ethereum is ok at everything else.

Do these people actually do decent research or only go for whatever they hear "should" be good enough? Or am I just completely wrong? Unless they want to develop other use cases for which Ethereum might be better at? I just didn't predict banks teaming up with Ethereum. I always thought that Ripple would be the one doing so becasue of all the connections they have and we would be the alternative and the "new" stuff for some other more bold banks while providing services for all exchanges.

Ethereum would just be used for... everything else
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