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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2015, 04:16:08 am »
Whatever the law is that requires U.S. citizens that renounce their citizenship and surrender their passport to pay an "exit" fee so they can legally leave the country without the risk of the U.S. government sending agents (could be through "treaties" with other governments who dispatch their police / military / agents) to collect taxes or extradition to be put in a cage for tax evasion or other trumped up charge. Roger Ver (and Zuckerburg?) had to deal with this crap. Why do you need to poll this community to ask this? Is this the best use of your time?

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2015, 05:22:02 am »
I can think of a ton of things that fit one or a few categories but not all, so I will only list things that I think mostly apply to all categories:

Cryptocurrency IPOs
Unregistered securities (operating one or offering an exchange service)
Unregistered money service businesses
Gambling
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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2015, 07:21:32 am »
Public intoxication, also known as "drunk and disorderly".

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2015, 07:59:26 am »
Billboards are outlawed in Hawaii, with 18 exceptions.
In New York, one must buy a license before hanging clothes on a clothesline.
In Tennessee, it is illegal to import skunks into the state.
Pinball machines in Arkansas cannot give more than 25 free games to anyone who wins.
In Baltimore, Maryland, it is illegal to take a lion to the movies.
Hanky panky is illegal in Connecticut.
In Ohio, it is illegal to fish for whales on Sundays.
In New Hampshire, it is illegal to collect seaweed at night.
Jambalaya in New Orleans, Louisiana is not subject to health laws.
Swearing in front of two or more persons in Mississippi garners up to 30 days in jail, which can be avoided by paying a fine of up to $100 into the state's swear jar.

That's 10.

And, drum roll, please...In Oklahoma, it is illegal to have a sleeping donkey in your bathtub after 7 pm. I'm feeling oppressed.

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2015, 08:33:55 am »
1. Online Gambling

Most jurisdictions allow gambling at designated brick and mortar locations. The primary reason not too allow citizens to exercise the same right to gamble online is to protect tax income and the brick and mortar monopolies who are often the ones lobbying to maintain the status quo and protect their monopoly.

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Augur also serves the less high-minded—though no less noble—purpose of providing cost savings and convenience to gamblers. Restrictions on gambling serve to protect government revenue at the betting man's expense. State-sanctioned casino operators pay high taxes, and state-run lotteries fleece their customers. But there's no logical or moral case for government restrictions on gambling, since no third party is harmed when consenting adults wager money on the future. Augur actually has the potential to make the world safer by taking away market share in the gambling industry from criminals.

https://reason.com/blog/2015/08/11/augur-gambling-prediction-ethereum

Some of the world's most richest cities, Macau, Monaco, Las Vegas etc. were built on the back of gambling.

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The gambling center of Macau has become the world’s fourth richest territory per person, leapfrogging Switzerland, according to World Bank report. The ranking does not include Monaco which based on the latest available figures, would almost certainly top the rankings, says the Financial Times.

https://www.rt.com/business/169924-macau-overtakes-switzerland-wealth/

Bitcoin itself was arguably bootstrapped in this way with some saying over 50% of its transactions for the first few years came from gambling.

Given that blockchains can undercut centralised options, offer privacy, provable fairness and funds are safer and can't be seized -

It stands to reason that the richest blockchain in the world will be built on the back of gambling imo.

Other areas I've not looked at much...

- Marijuana

I don't really follow it but the global trend seems to be towards legalization. So while a decentralized market allowing all drugs might be perceived as negative outside crypto. A hemp/marijuana marketplace would probably be widely perceived as cool.

- Pirated media downloads

Even though there is copyright infringement, I think most people think of Sean Parker and Napster and other pirated sites as cool.

A blockchain with a witness system could put together virus free content of the latest media and charge for it possibly directing some of the proceeds to the copyright holder, even if it's lower than the amount they would like. While the site may change, the blockchain can't be easily shut down, so consumers will know to reference the blockchain and be directed to the site the 17 witnesses recommend. 


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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2015, 10:25:43 am »
It seems pretty hard to find things that fall under all the criteria.

1.  I've read stories here and there about civil forfeiture and I'm not sure exactly how that works in the various states, but that seems to be a good topic.

2.  License plate registration expiration.  Had my registration expired for over 6 months.  I got pulled over and had my car towed on the spot once in SF.    I actually went to court to contest it based on my fourth amendment 'rights' against unreasonable search and seizure without a warrant AND probable cause.  The cop didn't show so the court cleared the ticket, but still had to pay $1,500 to $2,000 to the tow company and the city didn't refund that.  I also had to pay some kind of $100 cash fee to the city too for the honor of having my car seized.  It's a total racket.   When I retrieved my car there was a lot full of thousands of cars/motorcycles seized and sold by the city.  It's a revenue generating racket.  Most people who get their car towed find it more expensive to pay the tow company than what their car is worth so they just leave it there and it just gets auctioned off.   It's always been in the back of my mind to expose this racket about what goes on and also potentially go for some kind of class action lawsuit.   Maybe some day when I have time. 

3.  Marijuana and drug laws since most minority prisoners are non-violent drug offenders.  The prison-industrial complex is a racket. 

4. Raw milk, and food & health related laws. 

5. Forced vaccination

6.  Things dealing with the interstate commerce clause and rights to conduct business.

7.  Red-light cameras and excessive traffic ticket costs.  You'll get  a lot of people on your side for this and excessive parking ticket costs... The eighth amendment in the US Constitution prohibits 'excessive fines' as well as the California State Constitution's Declaration of Rights... back in the day King George was probably generating excessive revenue' the same way.

8.  Isn't there a book that says the average person commits 3 felonies a day.. here is some website I just pulled up: http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx .. seems to list a few things you can use... sure you can also find a lot of random things in the state/federal statutes that are harmful.  90%+ of statutes are probably unconstitutional and are just never tested in the courts ...
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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2015, 11:21:53 am »
Contract for DIfference offered by bucket shops is illegal in the States.
Sports betting (through a bookmaker) is illegal in parts of the world.
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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2015, 11:58:19 am »
Where I live gambling may only be offered by a venue or service registered locally.
This law ignores the existence of the Internet.
Every now and then the local  casinos and gambling sites launch a PR campaign about the "evils" of foreign websites taking away their business and tax revenue. The papers get all rallied up (no doubt while selling a nice ad package to them); the finance ministry asks the justice ministry to start blocking foreign gambling sites; the justice ministry responds that it's impossible and would probably violate EU laws and that's the end of it. The cycle repeats every few years.

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2015, 12:06:21 pm »
I am looking for a list of laws that have the following characteristics:

1. Completely Unjust  (Victimless Crimes)
2. Probability of Getting Caught Violating the law is Low
3. Cost of getting caught is high
4. The penalty for getting caught is mostly financial
5. Have public sympathy for the individual prosecuted

Jury duty?

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2015, 01:25:56 pm »
I am looking for a list of laws that have the following characteristics:

1. Completely Unjust  (Victimless Crimes)
2. Probability of Getting Caught Violating the law is Low
3. Cost of getting caught is high
4. The penalty for getting caught is mostly financial
5. Have public sympathy for the individual prosecuted

I'm aware you're an INTJ, so my guess is you have a consequence and risk based perspective.

What do you think of civil asset forfeiture?

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2015, 01:38:14 pm »
I am looking for a list of laws that have the following characteristics:

1. Completely Unjust  (Victimless Crimes)
2. Probability of Getting Caught Violating the law is Low
3. Cost of getting caught is high
4. The penalty for getting caught is mostly financial
5. Have public sympathy for the individual prosecuted

A. Gambling.
B. Prostitution.
C. Crowd funding.
D. Issuing securities (Satoshi Dice?).

I would say with crowd funding you would get a lot of public sympathy. Here you would have people trying to better their own lives, contribute to society, build stuff, and the cruel SEC wants to stop it?

Issuing securities is similar. The SEC would totally be the bad guy unless it's a complete scam. The SEC was not viewed as the good guy for enforcing on Satoshi Dice.

Prostitution is another, most prostitutes who get arrested are not bad people and are just desperate for money. The people arresting them aren't offering them a job, and it's a victimless crime.

And then you have all sorts of situations where a person might leak something which clearly saves lives, such as if there is some toxin in the food which no one knew about. This person might be committing a crime, but most people who are saved from getting sick will be glad the person committed the crime.

Come up with a methodology, also factor in the risk. The risk matrix will give you the risk of facing consequences. The risk assessment can tell you which crimes are low risk high reward if for political protest purposes.  I would say the SEC example is low risk as no one has ever been prosecuted for that except for Satoshi Dice, but at the same time if enough people do get prosecuted for that it could force the laws to change. So if they crack down it would only make the SEC look unhelpful and bad or even irrelevant to a lot of people.

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2015, 02:20:36 pm »
I am looking for a list of laws that have the following characteristics:

1. Completely Unjust  (Victimless Crimes)
2. Probability of Getting Caught Violating the law is Low
3. Cost of getting caught is high
4. The penalty for getting caught is mostly financial
5. Have public sympathy for the individual prosecuted

Jury duty?

Nah.  You just have to tell them you are an INTJ personality and they let you off.
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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2015, 02:33:03 pm »
Civil Forfeiture has got to be one of the most unjust stuff I've ever seen.

You're literally robbed by the ones supposed to protect you.

If after the incident you're found guilty, sure, makes sense if it was illegal. But even if you're not guilty they can still take your stuff. It's outrageous and disgusting.

I'd say Gambing too.
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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2015, 02:41:15 pm »
Laws against entheogens like LSD, Psilocybin, and DMT, as well as empathogens like MDMA. Spiritual freedom for all o/

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Re: Help me Identify the Top 10 most harmful laws!
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2015, 03:15:40 pm »
I am looking for a list of laws that have the following characteristics:

1. Completely Unjust  (Victimless Crimes)
2. Probability of Getting Caught Violating the law is Low
3. Cost of getting caught is high
4. The penalty for getting caught is mostly financial
5. Have public sympathy for the individual prosecuted

Jury duty?

Nah.  You just have to tell them you are an INTJ personality and they let you off.

Or write them back two words: "Jury Nullification" - they'll probably forget you exist.